I think it should be 18 but at least 16.
What is it now 13?
That's just not right!
I'm very interested to know all your opinions on this...
Perhaps another site should be opened for the teens. Age 13-17 on that one and 18 and up on this one.
18+ here then have another site for under 18, or an opp like myspace has were under 18 can't view or contact your profile would be nice
like with myspace the age option only works if you volunteer your real age. . two seperate sites would be a good idea but there would still be those who lie and sneak on
personally I would just ban teenagers all together. there are plenty of sites for teens to go to.
...does it matter? if under 18's
want to get on they will...
you might as well just warn
on the first page that the viewer
might run across some racy stuff...
The Dark Network would lose more than half of its members if the site suddenly changed its age. Also, this is not a porn site so 18 or older is not necessary.
you're right doll, but I have been hit on by mire teeny boppers and I really don't like jailbait dates. sigh..... they will find a way if they are told no you can't. if their was only some way to parental monitor from the other end.... like when they try and access vampire rave a voice would come on and say "sorry you aren't cronically eligible to access this site please try back when 40 don't seem old to you. thank you for stopping by and have a nice day"...
I say at least 18 but like everyone is saying the younger ones would still find a way to join
yeap kids usually do the oposite of what they are suppose to do
i would say at least 16, possibly 18, but how on earth would you regulate it? have a pop up box that says "if you verify that you are 18, click here"
i think even if there was a teen VR, it would have to have a different set up because if it is split like that, i seriously doubt many would care about the DB and such.
18!!!! and another site should be opened up for the ones under that
Ok true anyone can lie about their age..
But that's the same for any site.
And that's up to them.
At least VR have set the guidelines.
And as for someone saying there is no need, this is not a porn site.
I dissagree ok it's not a porn site but it is a site dedicated to Vampires and Vampires (the ones we most love anyway) are sexual beings and it sometimes follows that fans of Vampires are also that way inclined (moi for one lol) So it would be nice if we could be a bit more free with the content of our pro's and ports...
Without fear of the Admin people suspening said Pro's and Ports!
I mean i had this flashing image slide show of Vamps on my pro, and it got suspended because it flashed a female nipple for half a second lol..
I didn't even know it was there...
If I had found this page when I was 13, many moons ago, I would have been just as interested then as now. I see no reason to restrict access.
This conversation would be less relevent if Vampires were not so popular right now, and I see no reason to make a headstrong change because of a few years of massive public interest.
The popularity of Vampires in 2008/09 will be documented by someone in the database as a phase, and the rest of us will go on; at which point the youth will be less sparkly/ICP/emo/goth, what-have-you, and hopefully more serious.
My point is that there are many people here, just because it is popular... and it is not only 13 year old girls, and guys trying to "get wit", that fall into the catagory of fluff.
Maturity is not an age thing...
I would say 18, but you know the saying if there's a will there's away and kids these days will find a way to get on.
I don't see your point? I was into Vampires at a really early age 8 or 9 i think... Should i be allowed on a site like this at that age because i like them?
No of course not!
And Vampires haven't just been popular this last year...
It;s been like this for years and years and years and will continue to be so...
Rather then creating a whole new website for 13- , if you really want more freedom of expression on profiles/portfolios , a warning before visiting profiles/port. could be implemented .
That way , anyone who stated they're under 18 will simply not be allowed to view the page , everyone else will see a warning and choose whether or not to view it .
It would allow more freedom regarding what is allowed on profiles , coupled with harsher sanctions if the person forgets to click the box that says "18+ content" would result in happier 18+ year olds ?
Just leave it be if you dont like to get messaged by 16 years old or younger just ignore there messages and dont messsage them
As one of the top ten oldest members here ...
I say ... 150 yrs.
That way only the real vampires can join. :)
It is very simple to ignore minors so I don't really care. Of course it is a mute point. Cancer said years ago he wouldn't change the age requirements. This has been a past poll and forum topic in the past.
Yep, always does and we never have the trouble with the younger group for the most part. So why the higher age limit? Biting? And messages? You're kidding - right? Turn the option off and then block. Simple.
Drama comes from the more maturer group - not from the kiddies.
I agree with Web. I've been here since i was 13 and thats 3 years ago and i love vampires, i don't see why we should be banned if we're under 18. This site has nothing bad on it that the site could be cosidered "unsuitable" for under 18's.
If you don't want to be messaged by anyone under the age of 18 fine put it on your pro then. I have come across profiles saying they don't want to be messaged by under 18's and i don't message and i don't talk to them. Unless of course they talk to me.
I'm sure Cancer had a good reason to mage the minimum age 13, to change it would be unfair. I paid my money for a premium membership like a lot of you and it would be unfair if the age limit was changed to over 18's.
As some have said a warning should be put on the site to say if you are younger than 18 some profiles might contain things that are unsuitable.
Sorry lol had a little rant there >.>
Why do you want to restrict the age?
This is no dating or porn site. If you want that, look for other sites.
I never had trouble with teens.
If it's for Drama, anyone of any age does it.
Content?
If someone gets bothered by what you write they can be of any age. As if sex and curse words are unknown by teens, yeah right! When I was a teen I had a pettier mouth than I have now.
Like others said, if you have trouble with others just block.
Maturity does not come from age.
Honestly if I was a teen I would have felt offended by this.
Nicely put Death, i am a teen and i was slightly offended that people wanted to block me off the site when i have done nothing wrong, just because of a few teens you want to block them all and that isnt fair
I don't think there should be a certain age on here because everyone acts childish or mature on here. If you rate someone a "low" rate they bitch you out which is childish, and some like me don't care so that's mature. And I love how so many people on here say that this is not a dating site which is just bullshit....how many people on here hook up with someone or cyber with someone I mean come on seriously. And not a porn site? Again bullshit I've seen things on here that no one should see. I think teens should be allowed to be on here cause seems like most of the teens on here act way more mature than us adults and us adults act childish over stupid ass shit on here.
Just because some use it to hook up or search for sex it does not make it so.
It is not the reasons why the site got created so no it's not bullshit.
No it got created so people can look up vampire stuff but as years go by everyone thinks their a vampire cause they're on this site and the question of the thread is asking about age not why this site was created lol
I understood the question thanks, I am just responding to your post and again I disagree, not everyone believes they're a vampire on this site, again just responding to your post.
About 50% on here think they are a vampire or a lycan or some other made up creature which is sad when we are all humans lol
But onto the question I don't think there should be a certain age on here because anyone can lie about their age. If the age is to be say 21, teens can get anyone to pose as them to get on here. And like I said earlier I'd rather see teens on here cause they act more mature than most adults.
I've knows several people 18 and 19 that just amazed me with how smart they are knowing things I never knew and I'm 31
Even if there was an age limit set, you know kids would lie just to get on this site. If there's an age limit, they just HAVE to be a part of it.
TLDG it happned the same thing to me but the opposite, I was told I was maturer than my age as well as seeing the behaviour of people the double of my age which made me doubtful about their age.
And yes people can lie about their age.
I see those sites with:
I am under 18:
leave
I am 18 and over:
enter
as if you can't lie.
Oh I know and I was on one site(won't say the name though) they said that they could weed out the young people on there and I'm like oh really you can cause I don't think you can when anyone can lie when it comes to the internet lol
13. The only ones who want it to be 18+ are those who want to use the chatroom and whatnot just to get off without being convicted of being pedophiles.
TDN is not an adult site. It is not a porn site. There is no reason for it to be 18+ or even think so.Some of our administrative team (Prophecy, Kashka, artemka) are minors and have been on here for years. No reason to kick them off.
Half of this website is made up of minors. How is that bad? Most of the drama and crap made here comes from grown adults who have not grown up. Why not make it 18 and under instead?
There would be no point to a higher age limit. There would be no way to stop minors from accessing this website. Those of you suggesting a whole different site for minors: do you understand how much work that would be? No. What about those of us who have friends who are over 18? Wouldn't be able to talk to them? Just because a few people can't get it on with minors and bitch about it?
Yeah, thought so.
^.^
Hehe yes there is no security guard asking you your ID Card.
Really, does anyone even realize if this were 18 plus we'd lose some administrators? :|
Yea we would which is why I said I don't think there should be a certain age on here
This site is fine the way it is.
This is not a porn site, nor a BDSM site, nor a dating site. It is a Vampire database/social network. There is no need to put the teenagers into a playpen either to keep them away from the "big kids". These teens have as much right to be heard as we do and I for one would not want to miss out on a bright young insightful mind just because some guy who thinks he is a Dom wants to be able to post smut with his girl. Isn't that what this is about? You got your panties in a bunch because you can't post nipples and lower genitalia on your profile and portfolio?
I am asking because I don't know the story.
FYI even though this site is hosted from across the pond doesn't mean that chances need to be taken with potential FCC violations. If you do some research most Adult only sites on the internet in the United States are in violation of many Federal regulations, especially hard core porn and BDSM. Why would Cancer want to take the chance just so people can post things not relevant to this sites original mission anyway?
Even fearnet allows ages 13 and up.
Exactly, if the problem is with pictures, honestly, I don't want to see nudity and I am a 21+
I think it should be 18+ there are too many teens trying to act grown and sexy on here and all its doing is making them trouble we don't want to see that and its NOT SEXY PEOPLE ITS TRASHY!!!! put your damn clothes on , you get on here half to completely undressed then bitch when something is said to you about it . if you don't want lude comments then don't show your bodies.use you brains if you have them.guys are guys and they are gonna look and if your underage and put pictures like that up then expect the comments. So yeah 18+ is the right age.( gets off mothers soap box.)
People don't have to leave perverted comments though. They choose to leave those comments. So, again. Why not make it so its only 18 and under? Then those types of comments would be invalid.
lol then what about the adults on here how show off way to much skin lol
I find older people without clothes as much disturbing.
1-to me, I have no say this iste is not mine it is Cancer's site
2-this is not a porn site
3-ths is not a dating site
4-this is not a lifestyle site
5-this a database site to learn about vampires
the age is set, thats it thats all. get over it.
as for not much clothing or nutdity, if I wanted to j** o** I would not go on a vampire site, there is plenty of places online for that kind of hobby
also when i see a pic that is of bad taste i simply not rate I ignore it an dmove on, nothing and no one can force me to view it., plus if these people has no self estim and feel the need to degrad themselves, then its their sad soul, no mine
rasing the age would not only make us loose staff, it would make us loose also open mind and people that can teach us, not only the oldies can teach, the young ones too.
plus I would prefer my son on a site where I can see what is going on and knowing he enjoys it rather then him going to hide to try and learn about vampires on a adult vampire site.
some are old and yet are more immature then some kidos (no offence) here.
Dylan is a kido (compare to me) but he is more mature then a few I saw that are over 40.
Age can have an impact I admit, I would not want a 7 year old online, but better to have the 13 on here then out there in the not to friendly places.
I agree with you
I am fifteen, but am friends with many that are far older than myself... both on VR and off
I just prefer to be with people that are more expierenced than myself. Hope to learn a thing or two.
This site has changed my life. I have found out who I really am, and have met some people that seriously mean the world from me.
They have told me I am more mature than many of the others on the site, and in life in general.
As for the sexual content...
Honestly, do you all really think it is anything new to us?
Thirteen is very young, yes..
But at age fifteen, growing up in a house that dislikes me- except my brother who has taught me everything I know.
This site is all I have to cope.
So how would you all get rid of me?
How would you rid this site from all of the teenagers already here?
And to stick us with all the little kids?
This is a maturity problem- not an age problem.
this is crazy. . . .Cancer probably set the 13 cuz as in pg13 movies. .your old enough to understand what the site is about . . .and old enough to read and research and help add to the database. .
i do agree with some people here. This is not dating site it is not a porn site. if you find someone on here and you starting meeting that person im happy for you. there is no site that can block 15 year olds and younger in the site. the only way is if they start charging ppl through credit cards just for being on the site. if they did to block younger ppl from joining there goes the site thats alot of ppl we'll lose even some of the Administrators are younger then 21 . there isnt much you can do if you dont like young members messaging you then just block them or ignore them .
It will not matter. Add not under 18 then that is all you will have on here. Because No means you must go on.
13 is good because it it was 16 or 18 then kids would lie anyway
Age is something that doesn't matter, unless you are a cheese
~Billie Burke~
Ok thanks again for all your comments (even the ones i dissagree with)
Well my, my, my hasn't this topic turned into a heated debate lol just the way i like it!
Ok first of all to the idiot who was implying i was some kind of child molestor *sighs* that doesnt even make sense, if i was such a monster i'd be happy with the age as it is wouldn't i! And how dare uou suggest such a thing!
Now to the person (moonlady i think) who said i wanted to show my lower genetailia (i can't even spell it let alone show it lol)
Yea read the story i never said that!
I think saygoodbye has given us alll the best post... That's a great idea and compromise! JUst to add to that everyone who had adult stuff on thier pro or port should have to have a WARNING at the top of the page...
Oh and yeah this subject has been done before...
Maybe i should have given it more thought and come up with something original like......
What's your favorite Band?
Or comment on the person above you
Or Your Favorite Movie?
Or Bla, Bla, Bla
Yeah i should have given it more thought!
I'll try much harder next time!
18, but how can one prove that they are 18? Thats the clincher.
I would also say18+. However that said the people in my house are over 18 and I just tend to stay there without any problems. Plus people can act immature at any age...
Oh and before anyone jumps in before me.... Yes i can see the irony of the good idea coming from a youngster lol..
i agree with WEB,if you dont want to talk to them just block them,dont answer their messages,and ignore them,or tell them to back off :P
In my mind the rave would be divided into two parts one for adults only(18 and above) the other would be set aside for anyone under the age of 18
well this isnt a dating site or a site with explicit content so 13 and up seems fair.. :0
Hmm i think 18+ but then i say who cares if someone seems young. If you think they are then don't talk to them about any adult rated stuff.
It should be 16 least... my net daughter on VR she is 14 and i am ashamed of few peepal here drives the kids to adult talks so rubbishly may destroy the nature of kids and education too... I think below 16 should notjoin the rave or they will lose their education... the kids should go to games site and kids sites... never come to this site before 18... I know this is hard bite from me, buutthis is pure truth on finest plane...
Even we have abolished our clan LitArtConsc the general dark vampire group on yahoo due to this coz my daughter was 16 then few years ago and we collectively decided to abolish the clan coz it was placed wrongly on 18 + was of the nature of 13 +, we did not wanted to put difficulty for yahoo. We wanted our clan be not offencing the international internet laws. Especiaslly my peepal was from USA and did not wish to break US Laws... by entering daughter to general site of 13+ existing on yahoo's 18 + space... earlier we wanted restricted clan at entrance to not to fall in group list of yahoo thats why I opened it at 18 + so be hidden from common peepal from trying to enter.
As long as the member can hold a conversation I don't feel it matters. Many older members are somewhat monosyllabic. And MANY US members fail to understand British linguistic idioms