This particular discussion is a common yet complex one. For some others say they are because they have the craving for blood. While others have said they are because they evaded death a few times. Although it could be true however it could also mean a medical perspective as well. While on the other hand it is said. that the mind itself is strong enough to fool itself as to what may be the truth. What’s your opinion and what makes you believe that you are one?
Firstly let me make it clear that I do not consider myself a vampire, well a traditional stereotypical vampire anyways. I think there are various reasons why people come to believe they are a "vampire". The definition of what a real vampire is has been discussed at length in this forum many times and this definition is paramount when one claims to be a vampire. For example: If your definition of a vampire is a person that enjoys to consume human or other sources of blood, then being a vampire is not too difficult as this is a dietary choice. If a vampire is a person whom enjoys the dark and is a drain on society you may find a 24 hour grocery store near you full of vampires. If a vampire is someone who bites, stalks people, enjoys Gothic culture, associates with houses and covens, grows more powerful with time and activity, and gains more and more abilities, you may just be a Vampire Rave Vampire. I am not one to dismiss the supernatural either. Some claim their soul is that of a vampire and this claim is impossible to test or prove. This does not make it untrue however. It is a valid belief. To more directly answer your question, my opinion is that we all have a desire to find our true home and family. We are all put in this universe and created uniquely. The kinship some find with the darker aspects of life may cause them to be drawn to the vampire community and thus shape their perspective of their own true self.
Ahhhh. Vampirism. A way to be immortal. But, is just a Hollywood and books writer idea to make a buck. If I take you to Budapest, to a small village, where people still living like is 1347, then, your mentality about vampirism will take a detour. Where you live, will shape your perspective about Vampires. I am NOT telling you, that people in Budapest are vampire, is just making a point. Relating to the subject of belief, many people doesn't believe in Voodoo, but, at the same time, if you go to Haiti, is totally alive. So, my point is, "because you don't believe, does not mean, doesn't exist". The human body, especially the genetic part, can change, under some condition. just a tough.
I don’t consider myself to be a vampire either but some say otherwise. The reality is that because i didn’t have any light for many years. I developed a medical condition that burns my skin in less than 3-5 minutes even with sunblock. I might heal fast but i still bleed like everyone else too. Some people ignore the possibility that some things can be medical. while other times it could be just the thought. Vampires has been in anywhere from folk lore myths to the Hollywood image. Passed down time after time though it’s a tough argument. Nonetheless it’s a fair question that takes away from the topic of those who role plays.
1347!? I had no idea people are that old around the world. Thank you for sharing that tidbit of information Markus666. I also totally agree, the body is an amazing thing.
Although you do not consider yourself a vampire Elizabethbathory33, one could argue the point that your medical conditions do make you a real vampire of sorts. At one time a vampire was simply the misunderstanding of corpses. They thought that the dead were coming back to life and feeding on the living because there was red fluid on their mouth, the hair and nails seemed to have grown longer, and their bellies seemed full due to gas. In the past this made everyone believe that they found a real vampire and they Staked the body to the earth to keep it down there. Many myths about vampires are based on this interpretation. If I was you Elizabeth I would embrace the label ;-)
1347 was the year when the Black death hit Europe, killing 30 to 50 percent of Europe population.
Ah, I mis interpreted your sentence. I thought you meant some lived to be 1347 years old in Budapest. You are trying to say they live like it's the year 1347 in Budapest, which is to say that they live like the plague days of Europe. Is that correct?
Yes. And not only in Budapest. many villages in European countries still living without electricity. The modernization of the world is not affecting them. Which is good, my opinion.
I agree to a point Markus666. I know that technology is intended to improve life but we must not let our valuable traditions go either and preserve them for the future. I think your point for this topic is that the vampire of old still exists in these secluded communities whether they are real or not is up for debate but the spirit is very much alive.
Do not deny or disclaim that you are one indeed. We are as in spirit so shall we want to believe in this body on this body of land we now have called our home. Many have struggled to fight to keep there dark side a secret from the world. Embrace yourself and never let others or different ones try to say no you are not.
Guilty by association. Ideas do not die, they only travel and the travel shapes them. How well do you fit the idea of vampism? Oh well, some certainly do better than others, but that is not the point. Remember that there is the dragon chocking itself with its own tail on Dracula’s shield. It is there to remind you that “hen to pan”, so it is never about being or not being. It is always about process of permutation.
Personally, I've always enjoyed the taste of blood and flesh. I should clarify that I do not mean in a cannibalistic way but in a sensual manner. I have pale skin which is sunburned very easily, grey eyes which are very sensitive to bright light, and slightly animalistic tendencies at times. I often feel a detachment from the world and that somehow I am much older than my years. I have never considered myself a vampire in the traditional sense but I suppose it might be as close as you get in the modern era. Some say that I bear more of a resemblance to a werewolf but who can really say for sure *grins wickedly*
Not to my knowledge vxvampre, I’m just a unusual woman.
Chupacabra, I am confuse like a cat in a dog convention. If you love the taste of blood and the taste of flesh, do you mean eating them or just licking them? If you eat them, WOW, you are a cannibal and for that, you are living a vampire life. If you are just licking in a sensual way, then, you are a lover. LOL. My humble though.
I was given a gift. I would say more about it so as to add to your thread - I think it’s a great question. I do not think I could share more detail about my gift, simply because it’s something I view as being too personal.
I feel comfortable addressing a few other phenomenons which involve the logic of a vampire as they realize their nature.
One common trait of vampires is that they feel in some way different, for as long as they remember... one day it occurs to them that they are a vampire, generally the information is as clear as day, unavoidable. I wouldn’t say it’s an illogical or delusional thought that they have, it’s self-discovery. From that day forth it is understand what it is to be a vampire.
Some people describe waking up or suddenly feeling changed... it seems to happen in an instant, and they simply will be that way forever, never unaware of the differences ... I understand that may sound more like fiction, if a person had never encountered fiction they would probably perceive that form of immortal vampirism when they encounter it.
Some people go into realities and return different, they are conscious of their change at the time.
There are likely many kinds of awakenings.
Markus, of course I enjoy the taste of flesh and blood...but I only eat people I don’t like *sinister smile*
i do not believe vampires and lycans exist. not sure why anyone would sit there and claim such things when they aren't real. thats how i feel about it. i admit at one time when i was younger i thought i was but i grew up and saw reality and realize that it was all in my mind and that there is no such things as them. i think its all for attention. thats my viewpoint.
What made you believe that you were at one point? And what made you have a change of mind?
i was young, naive and was dealing with the death of a best friend so i was in a dark place in my mind. so i was dressing gothic and like the crow. i had a nervous breakdown so that contributed to that.
what changed my mind was the fact that i was make believing a fantasy cause of the movies
DanielleMoonchilde You mentioned that previously you thought you were one, then realizing as an adult that this was not real... Did you ever meet anyone that you thought might be a real vampire? It is difficult, (facing strange laws in existence such as death and hidden truth). Does it bother you, the idea that we don’t exist? And I’m sorry.
Elizabethbathory33, you mentioned that you do not feel like you are a vampire, that being in lack of light caused a medical condition. Do you feel, that, after this happened, you sprang up into higher health than before. Was the affect of your health being compressed creating any vampiric change?
I had to go to the hospital after being without a sweater on in the hot sun. Even though it was for less than roughly half a hour. My skin doesn’t adapt to the sun that well. Doctors believe my case is something unusual. All the same, my father boarded the windows just about everything around me. I had complete darkness, nothing but a mere candle to keep me company. (Other than books he gave me of course). This went on for almost 8 years of my life. It’s more annoying to me than there is something for me liking any of this. Painful oh yes do I heal, well the body always heals naturally. (There is nothing unusual about that.) do I feel like I’m a vampire because of this not really. Even if there’s little logic in this medical condition. This also has very little evidence to what is known to be a vampire. This is also broken down into many different conclusions anywhere from the folklore tales to new studies in today’s society.
I can understand how you feel danielle, for what it’s worth though I’m glad that you felt apart of it.
By the way this comment pertains to a past tentative during a younger age. So sorry if this seemed a little bit misguiding. What I experience now isn’t as severe.
I definitely like your answer vxvampre that’s a interesting way of looking at it.
But of course all these comments are quite fascinating.
"As Professor Margaret Murray discovered herself, vampirism was not the prerogative of the merchant or peasant classes, but was a cultic observance confined to the environs of the nobility, often as an adjunct to rites of the Noble and Royal Witch Covens of Scotland.
We can say with confidence then that real vampirism was indulged in by living beings who, unerringly, were members of the pre-christian and anti-christian high nobility and royalty. The most famous vampire stories, those of Dracula, Bathory and de Rais, support this conclusion. The historical evidence therefore supports the etymological origin of the word ’vampire’ - An Overlord.
Vampirism, up until the early 1700’s, by which time it had been in decline for several centuries, was not merely or solely the practice of a few isolated, high-born opportunists seeking some form of personal advantage or satisfying private perversions. Vampirism took two forms and the bloodline descendants of the ancient vampire lords had, in Britain, set the practice within an overall, multi-faceted social and cultural framework, stemming from the Iron-Age, that never gets an airing in the Gothic novel.
Vampires weren’t just vampires, as the penny dreadful would have us believe, they were individuals and families who used the practice to achieve specific aims and thereby fulfill those specific social obligations which, since the Scythian-Celtic period of the High Dragon Kings, were equated with their rank and position as leaders and overseers."
From the following link: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_01.htm
DanielleMoonchilde, many people got the weird imagination about Vampires, and the cause is because the influence of Books and Movies. Since an early ages, monster's movies has been part of a Saturday night, with friends around and snack and drinks. But, there are another spectrum that many people don't know about it. Vampirism is a way of living. Is like a cult, where the members get toguether and celebrate the moment. Remember, you are from a western mentality and your environment is blurry, when come to the understanding of such of thing, like Vampirism.
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Doru, that is an interesting rendition of vampirism in history... The history of them is vast... I see the same list of facts, and yet I have a different conceptualization of a vampire’s revelation and presence in history, based on those facts. I feel vampires are as original as creation itself... and that any societal connections or politics is not a choice as much as it is a form of slavery. I think that each vampire is an individual also, though... and so, whatever is applied to a vampire is not something that can be applied to everyone.
DanielleMoonchilde, I meant my first post informatively... my ideas come from personal experiences only... in experience, people who have an affinity with vampirism attract vampires... because I am a vampire I can partly see where your artistic ideas are from... I didn’t entirely mean to express it...
I reject anything outside of truth altogether. I have a logical understanding of vampirism. I don’t make an attempt to paint my words to be anything but what they are... and so commonly what I’ve said has been misinterpreted.
I guess I’ll add as a final point that the most definitive thing I can find about all vampires - is that there is more than one kind... I think that is of some great importance, when facts about culture are taken into consideration... It isn’t as if all that is vampiric has the same characteristics...
they aren’t all gothic, they don’t always hold the same definition, they don’t have the same roots, the life-path chosen is never exactly the same, it is of the most complex subjects ...
I post on my Journal an article dating back to the mid 70"s. I will be translating it later on. Vampirism still alive and will be for eternity.
I’m definitely going to be reading this. after all I’ve always loved your intelligent mind.
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The term "Vampire" is simply a metaphor that we use to describe the actions of what a person can do in a vampiric manner.
Most people who ARE human living vampires, go through an "awakening" process. This usually happens in the teenage years,
however, for some, it can happen at a later age. Sometimes vampiric entities that lurk around a certain individual, can deplete that
person of energy, forcing them to feed, and become as a vampire. That is a TEMPORARY form of vampirism.
Blood drinking for most people who do it, is more of an act, however take someone who is a psychic vampire, can also drink blood, but for them,
it's pulling the life force direct from the blood, and not the actual blood is needed. Some like the taste though.
According to Judaism, vampiric spirits are mentioned, but those lurk outside of body. A person who is vampiric, can go outside of body
and feed from others that way as well. As for myself, I am questioning my vampirism, because the need to feed (sounds like a movie), is not
there for me. However, that doesn't mean i'm not doing it unaware, and I have been validated many times that I am a psychic type. I haven't
done that for a long time now. I don't believe people are vampires. I KNOW some truly are. :)
Well I think it something you feel you are as vampirism is 4000+ years old as you can be born with it cause it is a cancer that changed over time that the tech today can't pick up
Well the ignorant will say they don't exist when the facts say otherwise
@Vampireking777 You keep posting how most are ignornat that vampires exist. Post and share what 'facts' are there that they do exist. I am not saying one way or the other what I believe here. But post your facts to educate the ignorant. Educate the masses.
Dakota go look at the home page of vampire rave
We all see life in the small spectrum that has evolved throughout our enculturation, of which, has shaped our understanding, withstanding, our mental ability to do so or not. Therefore, our concept of living vampires stems from our limited knowledge, ability, biases, experiences, and our ability to divulge such information clearly. Reality is then possessed by the mental ability of the being possessing any such beliefs, no matter what collectively society may believe.
I was recently told that I may have one of the Porphyrias, not the vampire kind and tests are yet to be definitive, but I’ve been learning a lot about this group of blood disorders that affect the bodies heme production.
“The Vampire kind”, or Erythropoietic protoporphyria, is said to be what Dracula, or Vlad the Impailer, had.
“ “People with EPP are chronically anemic, which makes them feel very tired and look very pale with increased photosensitivity because they can’t come out in the daylight,” says Barry Paw MD, PhD, of the Dana-Farber/Boston Children’s Cancer and Blood Disorders Center. “Even on a cloudy day, there’s enough ultraviolet light to cause blistering and disfigurement of the exposed body parts, ears and nose.”
Staying indoors during the day and receiving blood transfusions containing sufficient heme levels can help alleviate some of the disorder’s symptoms. In ancient times, emerging only at night may have achieved a similar effect — adding further fuel to the legend of vampires. “
“ In 1963, the Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine, which is now the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, published the paper “On porphyria and the ætiology of werewolves.” Its main thesis was that because of a lack of scientific and medical knowledge in the Middle Ages, the legends of the werewolves were spawned from accounts of porphyria. It has even been suggested that Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia, more commonly known by his infamous surname Dracula, suffered from porphyria. In some circles, porphyrias are actually called the “vampire disease.” However, any association with vampires does a great disservice to the poor souls who suffer from these diseases. “
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I am not a vampire and have never claimed to be but I’m not “normal”. Odd energy has always followed me and I’m at very least an Empath. If I’m going to sick, at least it’s maybe something interesting enough to be shrouded in dark myths.
MutantGoth can you elaborate on how you connect Porphyria to vampires?
It is not as "if" we see ourselves as a vampire, it is "if" society perceive us as one.
So the question for this thread is: "What makes us believe we are a vampire"?
If you have a submissive attitude to a strong personality this would "make" you believe.
If you are subject to occult forces that are of the catabolic nature this would "make" you believe as well.
Not many are privy to these things so there is much skepticism.
I have a love-hate relationship with the word "vampire." On one hand, it leads me to communities like this where people are fairly open with their experiences and what those experiences make them. On the other, it implies a reliance/dependency on those who have made me feel Othered which is absolutely abhorrent.
So I'd have to agree that "being a vampire" isn't a personal decision, but one that society enforces. I don't think many enjoy admitting to a dependency on others so may not feel like a vampire at all if they're even compelled to label themselves. It's the people around you that can properly dispense that title whether you're amenable to it or not.
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