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Posted: 22:27:40 - Apr 02 2012
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What do people think of the Vril society? Did they exist? Do they still exist, or are the modern ones like the Templars people, play acting?


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Posted: 01:43:56 - Apr 04 2012
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wasnt hitler a part of the vrill society... i dont think they exist anymore, if anything other groups have used some of their theories and phillosophies but that is as far as i could take to it

if i'm correct the vrill society had a great interest in ufos and aliens as well as the psiritual side of the occult




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I don't know what they are, but here are some links that I found concerning them:

http://www.crystalinks.com/vril.html

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Musium13%20vril_society.htm




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there was four vril women who where closely involved in the develpmemt of flying saucers from the 1920s in germany.described as mystics but they seem to be more interested in technology.




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There is no truth to any story you hear about the Vril.
Yes the entire history of the Nazi party is due to the occult but the Vril are nothing more than inspiration. The Vril are in fact an imaginary group of under ground super beings from a novel printed back in the 1800s. They are just a fictional as Hitlers bell project.

Ok, Quick history lesson...

A.) People enjoy debating Hitler's obsession with the occult and secret German societies. The fact which is often overlooked is that Hitler's third Reich was run by a small group of secret police, known as stormtroopers or the SS. Which was founded and run by Heinrich Himmler... he was the master occultist and the SS was the secret society.

B.) The bringing about of a super race was their combined obsession when it came to the occult. There was no other agenda!!
They allowed men like Joseph Goebbels to weed out any one with disabilities and genetic flaws from German society. Woman who had children with birth defects (defects from there point of view) were secretly sterilized and the children where taken into the states care... where they would often pass away from complications.
Some 400,000 women were believed to have been sterilized prior to the start of WWII. Most simply because of Jewish or none pure Aryan heritage. This thought process was seen as flawed by the middle of 1930's. It became clear to Hitler and Himmler that the world must be purged of anyone who was not of pure blood.

AKA - The Final Solution

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The start of WWII actually began with the collection of powerful occult artifacts from around the world. One tied directly to Hitler was his acquisition of "the Spear of Destiny." With the annexation of Austria in 1938, the Hofburg Spear, a relic stored in Vienna, had actually come into the possession of the Third Reich and Hitler subsequently had it moved to Nuremberg.




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Posted: 12:29:48 - Apr 08 2012
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Read this it's a interesting link

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Vril_Society.htm




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i found a curius site called base vril.i dont know.till a flying saucer land in the back garden how can i believe in any of it.ive seen a flying saucer and i thought.exiting but its just a machine and i dont know where it comes from.i dont think they come from outer space as they are designed to fly within the earths armosphere.so they cant come from another planet.america has them and if the fourth reich really exists where are they.sittings around building useless saucers?all very exiting machines but they cant carry a payload or armenants so im not surprised there is not many of them about.





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I think that they did exist at one point in time, but when we won the war, they went underground and then eventually either went into hiding or just went away because their master was no longer around to point them in the direction they needed to go.




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admiral bryd led a huge american task force down to antarctica and they went skuttling back home again.after that there was the washigton invasion with loads of ufos.there is a story that one landed on the white house lawn and hitler walked out and met the american president trueman.somebody once said"those who know dont speak of it,those who dont know cant stop talking about it".the world goverments tried so hard to make people think that its all little green men from mars but the true facts have very slowly emerged.i dont think the vril society exists anymore either.though all four hot vril babes vanished in 1945.
the totally hot sigrid,maria osric and the other two.




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Posted: 16:51:58 - Apr 10 2012
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Vril society existed even before Hitler's rise to power. In fact, they were apart of the funding of the German worker's party which eventually turned into the Nazi party. They were into the occult and supposedly, a lot of German technological innovations came from interactions from beings from other dimensions.




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ive heard that they did.pschic stuff aside they deloped fying saucers.




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Yes they were the first to develop the concept of psychic warfare. They had remote viewers, channelers and occult magicians that conducted rituals and this is where they got the information from. Allegedly that is.




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There is no Vril society!!

Again, it was taken from a book. The book presented the idea of a genetic super race which were the true masters of the Earth. An ideology which they shared of the German Aryan race. Hitler came to power as leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (aka - he was a union leader) and not some fictional member of a underground super race of giants.

It should be noted that Hitler did try to over through the government... and went to prison for it. So he played to the peoples fears and surrounded himself with symbols and ideas that got him noticed. They used Icons, traditions, and doctrines from other sources including the Swastika from Buddhism. The Black Sun society from the Hermetic, a symbol of esoteric significance. Images from the Teutonic Order and crusades, even the SS lighting bolts came from Norse Rune Symbols and other various letters of the historical runic alphabet.

They stole ideas and symbols to use in a way which met their own agenda.





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Posted: 14:56:51 - Apr 13 2012
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hitle was a master of using symbols to controll people not just paga ones but catholic and roman ones too.he evan got that horrible mostache from charlie chaplin who was the most popular man in the world at the time.




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Posted: 19:01:09 - Apr 14 2012
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Severus,
Respectfully, I noticed the authoritarian vibe coming from your posts! As you know others have different opinions. You are not an authority on this topic as it does not start nor end with you. Sorry but it has to be said. This is a discussion and its fine to have different views and varying facts.




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Posted: 13:14:57 - Apr 15 2012
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The questions posted were:

What do people think of the Vril society?
Did they exist?
Do they still exist?
Or are the modern ones like the Templar people play acting??

I respect your opinion and your point of view... You said that they had helped from inner dimensional beings of which I made no mention of or commented on... because that is your opinion. Nor did I singled out any one person or anyone comment either.
I simply stated the known facts and gave those facts as historical background... there was no Vril society Prior to 1930.
But the facts regarding Hitler's rise to power and the occults influence over the Nazi party has been studied from top to bottom and front to back. The evidence and the sources for the Vril society and the resulting inspirational doctrine they took from it are literally in black and white. It's simply characters from a book, a fact which is not real debated much outside of the internet.

Now if surviving or fleeing party members adopted that name post WWII... ???... then that again is something open to personal interpretation.




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In fact there is strong evidence to support that most surviving Nazi members fled through Italy via the Catholic church. As members of the cloth at that time received passports through church sponsorship and not established birth records anyone with church backing could have been given passage and a slow boat ride out of Europe.

Most of South America was pro-German and would have excepted German refugees fleeing the war zone. The highest known member to have made it to the Americas was Adolf Eichmann. The code name for the group he used was known as ODESSA but once outside Germany any group could have adopted any name they wanted including the Vril.






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Posted: 09:41:01 - Apr 16 2012
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Most of the crap spewed on this thread regarding Hitler and the Vril... is just that.

One story: "The Vril Society was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Maria Orsitsch (Orsic) of Zagreb, who claimed to have received communication from Aryan aliens living on Alpha Cen Tauri, in the Aldebaran system. Allegedly, these aliens had visited Earth and settled in Sumeria, and the word Vril was formed from the ancient Sumerian word "Vri-Il" ("like god"). A second medium was known only as Sigrun, a name etymologically related to Sigrune, a Valkyrie and one of Wotan's nine daughters in Norse legend."

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Musium13%20vril_society.htm

Another story: "In 1917 four members of the Vril society met in a cafe in Vienna. There was one woman and three men. The woman was a 'spiritual medium'. They met under a veil of mystery and secrecy. They discussed secret revelations, the coming of the new age, the Spear of Destiny, the magical violet black stone, and making contact with ancient peoples and distant worlds."

http://www.crystalinks.com/vril.html

Please do your own research instead of just guessing and adding to conspiracies... even though Hitler was part of the Thule society, he was never a member of the Vril (speculated to have existed). There is no record about a mention of him and the Vril in any documents together. Nor is there a mention of the Templar Knights being anywhere near involved with the Vril, so I am really not sure why the Knights are mentioned in the main thread inquiry.




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Posted: 18:39:08 - Apr 16 2012
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Well if that post was meant for me. Then, you are in fact, incorrect. Never had I said Hitler was apart of any society. You need to re-read my posts. I said the Nazi part was funded by the Vril society before Hitler. If your post was not meant for me, then my apologies.




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Posted: 21:41:58 - Apr 16 2012
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~MoonLightSavage~, why so defensive and serious? No, the post was not ment for you. Has the Rave turned into a place full of people on edge? Strange that.

No, no... I was commenting on the whole of the thread, and a few comments in between that caught my attention. Many people these days are just too damned concentrated on the makings of "conspiracy theory" and will add anything in to fuel the fire.

But, what if... still..., you know?




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No no, that is not the case! Granted, the nature of the last few posts may have been argumentative in nature. In no way am I defensive. Please don't stereotype or generalize me! That is why I asked if the post was for me and, I apologized if it wasn't. Case closed!




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Posted: 00:00:15 - Apr 17 2012
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Ok- let's cool it down.

Play nice or don't play.

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Soulshroude,
I'm not trying to be nasty but I am seriously confused. You said that most of what was posted on the Vril in this thread was "crap" and we shouldn't go adding to conspiracy theories. Then proceeded to post a segment from a website that weaves a tale of Hitler, the Thule, and Ancient Sumerians.
If you look at the website you quoted it clearly states (in hugh yellow font) that:
"This secret society has it's roots and inspiration from a science fiction book!"

Which is exactly what I have been saying.
So I'll admit it... I'm totally lost. Are you saying that the Vril society exists or it doesn't??






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~Severus~ you did notice that I only took a paragraph from both sites to prove a point of my own as to how the Vril came to be in the first place.

Not about the conspiracy mumbo. Please don't read too much into something... it is all pure speculation and opinion from all of us, including me.

Does this end your confusion?

If the Vril didn't exist, then why is it known?




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Posted: 06:31:11 - Apr 18 2012
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Because people read about them in a book doesn't mean that they're real and prior to the Nazi party of 1930's the Vril only existed within that book, The Comming Race.

That's like arguing "if the Jedi didn't exist then how do we know about them??"




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Posted: 07:10:37 - Apr 18 2012
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The "Jedi" are far removed from the Vril society in my perspective.

The "Jedi" are a fantasy based group, even if the belief system is an actual "religion" by federal law now.

I have a question of merit here, how many of us ... speculating of course, think that the Vril Society (novel) could be based off of the actual Thule Society?

Think about it and comment back.




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Posted: 12:09:15 - Apr 22 2012
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in devils guard hans wgenmueller described how he was smuggled out of germany by ex gestapo and SD agents and into switzerland.he went to work for the french foreign legion in vietnam and also trained the green berets in america.thats not mentioned in devils guard.




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Posted: 13:04:54 - Apr 22 2012
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Severus

Good point about South America, many people tend to forget the Nazi influence on that Continent. You will find many Colombians with German first names because they have german heritage but the newer generations tend to lean towards the Spanish influence of the country, even though they are aware of their heritage.

As far as the Vril society goes:

In his book Black Sun, Professor Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke refers to the research of the German author Peter Bahn. Bahn writes in his 1996 essay, Das Geheimnis der Vril-Energie (The secret of Vril energy), of his discovery of an obscure esoteric group calling itself the "Reichsarbeitsgemeinschaft", which revealed itself in a rare 1930 publication Vril. Die Kosmische Urkraft (Vril, the cosmic elementary power) written by a member of this Berlin-based group, under the pseudonym "Johannes Täufer". Published by the influential astrological publisher, Wilhelm Becker (whom Bahn believes was "Täufer"), the 60 page pamphlet says little of the group other than that it was founded in 1925 to study the uses of Vril energy.

The Above is from Wiki...

This might be an interesting link for anyone interested.
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Posted: 13:19:04 - Apr 22 2012
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OK that link didn't come out right.

Type this in your browsers for those interested:

http://www.viewzone.com/vril22.html




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Has anyone read the book "VRIL: The Power of The Coming Race" by by Edward Bulwer-Lytton?




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I'd love to read it but, where do you get it from?




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I got my copy from Amazon. Heres the link

http://www.amazon.com/VRIL-The-Power-Coming-Race/dp/1469915820/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335466165&sr=8-1




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If Vrill was real, Hitler would be our Fuer now. The supernatural would have ensured that and many of us would not be here.




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That's interesting! When you say many of us, do you mean people of color specifically or just everyone who is not German?




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She probably means everyone the Nazi Regime did not like, ex Jews, mentally and physically handicapped, and yes probably some ethnic groups as well as those who aided the previously mentioned, rebelled against the regime etc.




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maybe atlantis book shop will have it.that secret society at rennes de chardain got their idea from a sword and sourcery novel.i often wonder how many people in secret societys or secret bases round the world read the dr fu manchu books by sax rohmer and wanted to be just like him when they grew up?
getting back to sunject ive read that the fames vril power unit is a ball of treated mercury which somehow converts tachyons into electricall power.the world goverments know perfectly well how to use free energy but it would wreck their ecomomys so they dont adopt it.




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The Nazis still exist and have a limited criminal power base in Germany, I befreinded and ex member in Cairns, now exiled to Oz who told me all about it.
What is interesting is how the whole Euro fiasco has transpired, Germany is now dominant over all southern Europe.
This is dangerous and in all previous historical events has led to war. Of course this could all be chance, however I do recall ten years ago...Chancellor Cole was wrapped in controversy over bribes from the darkside his wife allegedly knew about...she died....very convenient that...
Don't worry, I am watching.




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Really there are still Nazis I had no clue. . . I think a good portion of us are familiar with the term Neo-Nazi. As to the whole war thing WW2 could have been avoided if france and the brits enforced the treaty of versailles when Hitler said "I will rip up the treaty of versailles" or when he started building tanks also banned due to the treaty, or submarines, or his air force or when he reunited Germany with Austria also banned due to the treaty but the response was "Oh that hitler he's just flexing his muscles he'll stop"




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in former east germany and oddly russia there is some nazi activity.islam is much more active in europe and they wait for x day when they can kill everybody whos jewish.which can mean anybody whos european and not moslem as who can tell the diffrence?if i was in the fourth reich id just emigrate to another planet and leave this one to its fate.




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Well to clarify my definition of us, I mean, anyone without the "exact" same beliefs as Hitler. If I remember right, you did not disagree with Hitler and live to make an uproar, even if you were in his inner circle.




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i think the nazis are rather a spent force.modern germany is very much an ally of isreall which is a racial supremicist state closely modelled on nazi germany.if they had the power they would wage a war of genocide against all the arab states.the arab staes themselves are planning their own armaggedon.ever since the famous arab spring the old faily pro western rulers have been replaced with pro iranian shia goverments.i dont feel happy about the future.
if there was a fouth reich i think they would have packed their bags and left by now.i would not blame them.maybe they have




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Posted: 22:41:30 - May 24 2012
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I love how people use the word Reich with no idea as to what it means which is simply put "empire" specifically German empire and if there is a fourth Reich I am sure it will be as close to the Nazis as the Holy Roman Empire(first Reich) was to Nazi Germany(third Reich)




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there are people in germany who say that the second reich is still a legal entity.they carry passports to prove it too




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Posted: 10:52:27 - May 29 2012
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Beautiful ladies, secret superior technologies, Nazi plans?
Sounds very good, too good to be true!

Severus is right!

The two links on the subject that appears on the Internet have no scientific base. Their credibility is very low. I`ll give you just two examples:

1.The so called "VRIL PLATFORM" is simple speculation:

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-the so called bell:

http://youtu.be/4kU_QhSAfgU

- how people demonstrate it`s not supernatural because

"Henge concrete structure at Ludwikowice looks an awful like a Cooling Tower in Siechnice, Poland"

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http://www.alien-ufos.com/ufo-alien-discussions/34364-hitler-developing-flying-saucers-8.html

(I saw a documentary on TV on this and was very convincing > If I`ll find it online I`ll post the link here.)


2. The blonde lady that appears as Maria Orsich is a photo taken much later then 1945.You don`t have to be a specialist to see that.

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The book that`s supposed to be the root of all the things is The Coming Race. Anyone can read it online here:

http://sacred-texts.com/atl/vril/index.htm

but the one who started the riot and the conspiracy vril theory is this one:

The Morning of the Magicians !!!

written by Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels

Online here:
http://www.wepapers.com/Papers/95655/The_Morning_of_the_Magicians_%28full_e-book%29.pdf

They are the first who write about this whole stuff and you won`t find any document or reliable source before them that would mention Vril as a society!

If anyone finds such a thing please add it here!

I`d love that the Vril Society to be real, but it isn`t!











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The Second Reich was real (Bismarck 1871). I hope you are talking about the III-rd Reich.
Germans were defeated but an interesting point of view has Philip K. Dick in "The Man in the High Castle". Please read it! It`s a great SF book!




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oh ive read that one.somebody should write an sf novel with amria orsic in it as the star.nazi germany made a sf movie called the first woman on the moon.von braun had some sort of involvemet with it.funny how the moon rocket in the movie looked abit like the space shuttle.




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Secret societies well they aren't so secret now if everyone knows about them. As for the Vril i think they did exist but they were about Science and Technology rather than religion.




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yes i think they where a technological society.secret societys have a contradiction.they have to be secret but also publisise themselves to attract recruits.




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Just to put this out there and not just to agree with severus but kinda makes me think of the bible and some dude picked up a copy of the fiction story the gospel of luke and said hey this is true and started the most vast religion in the world Kinda makes you wonder though don't it . . . . . . . .





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