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Posted: 20:54:49 - Aug 12 2011
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Whether you believe in vampires, or just enjoy a literary romp with them, is Faith in a Higher Being, or Spiritual Belief the foundation for such belief or pleasure?

Is Faith in a Higher Being the primary ingredient for Fear?




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Posted: 21:36:33 - Aug 12 2011
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Very intriguing topic. One I've never given much thought to. Thats probably due to the fact that I don't believe in a higher power.

However, if you were to look at it from that stand point, wouldn't it only make sense? If you believe in a Divine Creator, then you believe that person created you, thus having to instill vampirism in you (if you follow the hypothesis that you are born a vampire).




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Posted: 22:09:25 - Aug 12 2011
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Hmm well I was brought up catholic though I follow no religion in the present I was taught that "god" creates all and knows what path all shall follow. So being that this were true yes I believe god did create vampires as well as all other creatures of the night.

I mean is it so ludicrus to believe that "god" would create creatures whom survive on human flesh/life force exc? When the animal kingdom consists of exactly this.




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Posted: 00:51:47 - Aug 13 2011
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It could be a possibility. A theory that is close to it talks about Jesus doing this to us because of one man. Judas Iscariot one of Jesus's twelve disciples denied Jesus in his life during his crucifixion for 30 pieces of gold. Therefore cursed him saying that he will work this earth forever as if the blood of Satan is in his mouth. I've read that story again and again and it is interesting but still.... there is no proof but as I said it could be a possibility.




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Posted: 01:18:39 - Aug 13 2011
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If one believes that the vampires came from Fallen Angels, then yes...God did create vampires.




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Posted: 02:02:13 - Aug 13 2011
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Just because Vampires descended from those falsely vilified as "Fallen Angels" provides no evidence for "God" having creating either group. Both the term "God" and "Fallen Angels" are simply specific interpretations given to events and persons that defy easy explanation by one particular group of people (in this case, the ancient Israelites). The actual explanation is most certainly far removed from such basically superstitious interpretations.




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Posted: 03:55:00 - Aug 13 2011
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I agree with Upir. I will say that Lilith was considered a Vampiric character however that's in dispute




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I must unfortunately disagree with you both... Big shock right Upir. lol

The supposition is that God did not actively create Vampires or Fallen Angels is irrelevant.
If you believe in God then you in turn must believe in the ideology that he is all knowing and all powerful. Thus if Vampires do exist then God actively allowed for our existence.
One could then conclude that we are part of God's master plan and therefore part of his creation. He loves all his creations and thus loves Vampires.

All I can tell you is I love the circular reasoning of Religion. lol




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Posted: 05:23:07 - Aug 13 2011
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Well everything is a dispute and a contradiction depending on another persons belief and whether they are spiritual or not. But in all reality no matter what your belief really is, everything is debatable to an extent.




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Posted: 05:28:51 - Aug 13 2011
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Yes and no.

Cause and effect really. Even if you believe Lilith to be the first Vampire, she was created by God and then cast out when she refused to submit (if you believe the jewish story). The accounts of Lilith go way back to the Mesopotamian culture, the first civilization.

If you believe Judas was the first Vampire, God created Judas fulling knowing his betrayl but this was a needed stepped for the Salvation of all. He betrayed Jesus with kiss for 30 Silver, regretted what he did and then hung himself out of guilt. Some believe he was cursed to walk the earth as the living dead to atone for his crime. Though Judas made a choice that was wrong, if not for that choice, Jesus would not have been crucified. So I would have a hard time believing Judas was cursed for his free will choice which is promised to us by God.

Some people think that the Catholic's created the first Vampires by a Ritual that binds the soul to the body and does not allow it to move on. Its a terrible curse but would make sense.

All in all, if you believe that God created everything, then yes, he created Vampires. God created Lucifer too I might add and I don't think any Vampire could reach those levels of darkness. But I think the creation was a side effect of a punishment. Removal from Grace, Cast out from Heaven, etc.

Asking if God loves Vampires totally depends on the Vampire. Its like asking if God loves people who work for the IRS, Tax Collectors, which were looked down upon in Jesus' time. It all depends on your life, your choices and relationship with God. Let us not forget Faith as well.

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Posted: 05:51:35 - Aug 13 2011
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Religion is in place for man to find and become like "God", it is there for those who would seek to reign over their fellow people with such tactics as fear for example. If one would put fear into the heart of its audience for the benefit of manipulation and it works, what is to stop that same individual to create a realistic scenerio based on folklore?

I believe the "creation" question to be about science and not religious idealism. Then of course, the fundamentalists would have a field day with this one.

(Chuckles)I didn't answer the question directly, did I?




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Posted: 06:09:23 - Aug 13 2011
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Interesting topic.

I don't believe all religion has to do with fear, but in some of them, fear is indeed the main ingredient for strong faith. The larger, monotheistic religions thrive on fear. Their very belief system would buckle under it's own weight if it's evil and sinister counterparts didn't exist. The question is, what is the most effective way for making someone do what you want, and that is fear. Love can work, but in the aspect of religion, strong faith due to love instead of fear would be a low percentage.


Let's say hypothetically that Hell didn't exist in the Judeo Christian dogma, and that Satan was never mentioned. What incentive would that leave people to have faith? God says that lust, pride and gluttony are sins, but sin would have no meaning if there were no punishment, which is why fear is required for a lot of religions. Exhaustive claims require exhaustive reason.




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anything is hypothetically possible in terms of the supernatural, If God is the "creator" then in one form or another yes he/she must be directly or indirectly responsible for vampires




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Posted: 17:59:44 - Aug 13 2011
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Wow..Interesting question. My two cents. Did you ever read the Bible? Are you familiar with the Last super? Well, if you are, then, you must understand that the answer is YES, God create Vampires, and to induct them, they have a last supper, where Jesus, gave them his blood, now, that is what we call, real Vampirism.




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Posted: 18:14:44 - Aug 13 2011
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One might also say that it's cannablism as well to a point. However I believe the gestures were symbolic, not literal




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If ever there were an evidence that proves that actual Vampires did not drink blood, I could not think of a better one than the fact that Jesus instituted vicarious blood-drinking at the "Last Supper."

Were Vampires truly blood drinkers, then it would stand to reason that the LAST thing Jesus would do would be to have his followers, Christians... who are suppposedly the archenemies of Vampires... drink blood and thus (by loose definition) become Vampires, themselves.





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As Christians are, most certainly, not Vampires... then the vicarious blood-drinking of "Communion" has not Thing One to do with actual Vampriism. Thus, by extension therefore, neither does actual blood-drinking.


To return to the topic, if Vampires were/are the descendants of the Biblical "Sons of God(s)" (Bene Ha Elohim of Genesis Chapter 6), then it is not that God "created" them but that He literally sired them.

There's a thought for ya!




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Posted: 00:53:02 - Aug 14 2011
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Really this type of question comes down to what one believes.

And yes. The whole communion thing is one big symbol. Jesus didn't actually hand out his blood and flesh.




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Posted: 02:31:35 - Aug 14 2011
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Reading "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" which has everything to do with cell culture and nothing to do with vampires - except for that word "immortal."

The author incorporated what would have been a 20 page article on the cells (plenty on the net, and even youtube) into a 400 page sociological treatise on the effect Henrietta's cell legacy had on her descendants, most of whom are poor and uneducated, and the health industry, which effects all the rest of us.

I've never managed to get through the Bible, and call myself an atheist. I was raised Catholic, however, and Spanish Catholism is harshly superstitious. Without quoting the Bible, its tenets still seep into your consciousness.

It's impossible, I think, in Western civilization to read anything w/o having the Judeo-Christian mysteries thrust upon you.

Here's some choice quotes I got from the Lack's book:

"Those who believe in me will live, even though they die: and those who live and believe in me will never die." (huh?)

"This is how it will be when the dead are raised to life. When the body is buried, it is mortal; when raised, it will be immortal. There is a physical body, so there has to be a spiritual body." (huh 2x?)

Jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never die." and "Why do you who are here find it impossible to believe that God raises the dead?"

I'm with Severus on the way religious logic works, which seem illogical to me.

But, more importantly, I think humans have a deep need to believe that there is more, and we've created the religions and the vampires to support our need.




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Posted: 02:38:53 - Aug 14 2011
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Is this going on the assumption that Vampires and God(s) exist?
Why can't they have evolved like everything is thought to have?
To be honest, in a logical way it make more sense for them to have gone through the cycles of evolution than being the creation of a "higher power".

Assuming they exist, that is.
I'd be more inclined to go with that in a book or movie.




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Or could it be possible that we may be the more higher evolution of humans? Even though i dont think thats the case.




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How is that not feasible considering that a Vamp's primary food source (No, no Twilight here) is humans? They're supposed to look just like people with fangs only being the only part that's really evolved as such. The "white, place, icy skin" comes with the "un-dead" part, so eh. If anything were to present a somewhat reasonable basis for the beginning of vamps, I'd go with evolution.




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Posted: 00:20:04 - Aug 15 2011
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Most of the Literature suggests Vampires are purely human to ethereal.




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Posted: 04:01:26 - Aug 15 2011
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"Is Faith in a Higher Being the primary ingredient for Fear?"

No, "Fear" is the primary ingredient for controling the masses regardless of belief in a higher power.






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Posted: 04:40:34 - Aug 15 2011
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I think that fith and belief in a higher power is a big key. With out those two thing, generally they stop existing. I'm sure there are a ton of "higher Powers" that since the people stoped living, and where never past on to future generation, don't exsist now.




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Doru... you just said a cotton-pickin' mouthful. While we rarely agree, in this one you've hit the proverbial nail on the head with a friggin' sledgehammer.




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Doru, I agree w/you absolutely. But Faith to me means Unquestioning Belief, otherwise the consequences to the individual are dire, which creates Fear. The Fear itself magnifies the belief in some people, because the fear is so great, then the majesty and power of the Supreme Being must also be great.

Fear and manipulating people do go hand-in-hand, and Religion is a primary conveyor of such fear which is why so many political leaders drape themselves in religious finery.

Vampires are scary because they're like us only more Godlike. They have the power to create life and take it away. If one hadn't been exposed to any religious or higher being mythology, I don't think vamps would be so frightening.




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Fear is definitely the key that keeps the masses controlled. Because without fear of repercussion, they would act however they pleased.

Religion is a man made concept to control mankind.




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Bloodmother, even myself being pagan I question things, and will never accept anything as 100% truth under any circumstances.




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Posted: 15:12:18 - Aug 18 2011
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Going back to the original question, if one really wanted to answer that one would have to start with,

"What is your definition of God?"

followed by,

"What is your definition of a Vampire?"

When we have those we can start a discussion.

Personally, I define God as that which created the multiverse and beyond, everything, alpha and omega, in which case whatever the definition of a vampire would be, would have to be included.

But as I said, it depends on the definition of both terms.




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If you're a pagan such as I, then it could be argued as to whether Lilith was the originator. Bacchus could be another candidate as well as Pan




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Lullaby, evolution is what the "Blood: the Last Vampire" novel is based on. I'm with you on that. If vampires were real then it'd be because of evolution, not so much of a God based thing. Heh, so far, the only 'vampires' I can see in this time, have been because of people's novels. Not facts, so until I see proof.. :P Then vampires exist just as much as God. Lol




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Well I think it all depends on weather or not you believe in god. Me personally I believe in the goddesses. Nyx, Selene, etc..........




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We all control "life" or "death"by are actions, yet does that make us "GODS"? No, it only gives us the ability to control others by fear because we do not know what lies at death's door.




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I feel that It is a basis of fear in some belief systems but not all of them!




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A lot of discussion here for a simple answer. That answer is YES. All herds need predators.




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it all stemed from one man called vlad who drank the blood of his victims not god




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I've been unable to find any direct evidence that Vlad Tepes (Dracula) ever drank the blood of any of his victims. And were it not for Bram Stoker choosing to use the name in his vampire story, we would never have come to associate Tepes with vampirism.




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Makes sense! I'm not a "God" believing person. I have a healthy respect for fear. We all fear death in one way or another. But I do not believe that "God" created Vampires. True dead walking, blood drinking Vampire exsist do not exist, although they exsist in our minds! Vampires hold a certain "something" that we all admire. I think partially it is immortality.




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your faith in a higher being does not inspire fear. on the contrary, your fear of a believed higher being inspires you to have faith in that higher being.

if you believe in god then you must have feared him first before you ever had faith on him. for in many passages in the bible, god punishes and even kills those who do not accept him and would not believe in him. so there we cannot be sure if jesus, the apostles or his disciples were really true believers or were merely scared of god's wrath.




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Posted: 20:12:16 - Aug 26 2011
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If you believe that a higher being created mankind,then the answer is yes,God/Goddess created vampires.Because whether anyone likes it or not,vampires are ALL born humans.Well,except vampire bats..But even they are created by a supreme being if thats what you believe in.




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Posted: 02:26:06 - Aug 28 2011
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While not trying to express doubt why is there so little written hypothesis on the topic, that can be dated back to antiquity?




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Well I say this you can not believe that there is a God and then not believe that there is a devil.
I believe in good and bad but until the end of time, man will know both.
I am still not sure were true vampiric powers come from but I know for a fact they can not come from God or gods.
Because God is holy, which means to be set apart from. God made man and man is holy too but not separate but with Him. True vampiric power must come at a price death is its price. But some might say God made death but God put an end to all death. The living dead is what some call it. I say i use to be dead but now am very much alive. I died to self but now am very much not dead but alive I am not an undead but a born again.




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Golgotha, I think you've hit on something. In psychology, there's something called the "negativity bias."
When people’s thoughts are wandering, unoccupied, people tend to begin to brood; the negativity bias means that anxious or angry thoughts capture our attention more effectively than happier thoughts.

Little Flames, I've never heard the Born AGain thing explained better. It's a strange spiral which fits nicely into the vampirism.




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Little flames as a pagan, the concept of the "Devil" is not in opur cosmology. In fact only 3 religions accept the concept of a "Devil," Christianity, Judaism and Islam. That's it. Now as far as a Deity creating Vampires, Lilith was supposedly the first. However there's arguments pro and con on that one.




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~If "God" supposedly created man and earth, etc, why not Vampire also?~




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As a pagan who is both polytheistic and pantheistic, I believe Gods, Goddesses who create beings can be found in many places




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i am in a coven that is pagan so i know that the concept of the devil is not there to you or them all i am saying that proves it right there just like people say there is no such thing as vampires well they fear thats why they say that .i am just saying what if there is a devil then almost the whole world is wonrg and only about 10% or less are going to live. i would not want to take that kind of chance . Now i know why vampires dont want to come forward becase they would not be exepted in the general public .




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well being that i am agnostic. im not quite sure what to think about this one

although i do verry much believe in spirits.. evil powers and the oh so lovely vampires ;)

everything was created somehow its just a matter of proving it.. but seeing as how not one person could ever show this proof.. i just simply accept the fact we all exist as well as vampires.. but this is just my fucked up way of thinking ;D




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Unfortunately the word vampire is late in the game and a very loosely used word almost always referring to blood drinking in just about every dictionary, etc. that anyone uses for a definition. I have found generally it is the prevailing word used by the most people to describe demons and other beings set aside who have a connection to blood one way or another. The idea of life force seems to get stashed and buried even though it is mentioned in a number of legends. I believe it deals with various cultures like the Romans that observed tribal rites and misuderstood them.

I personally have dismissed Lilith. Just because there is a blood connection or anything else doesn't make her a vampire. Someone came up with that idea and it spread as if fact. A woman being discredited by the Hebrew culture who did not follow what men thought they should do got called any number of names and stories sprang up about them. Anyway her story was used to explain two verses that weren't exactly the same and then all the other things now said about her got tacked onto it. She was from Mesopotamian lore anyway. Cain is another one, He was marked and who is to say he was not given a birthmark that would carry down his lineage. It was common to mark those thought to be evil or traitors by cutting them and leaving marks in many tribal groups as well. The stories about Judas are just that and the red haired lot. Many of the attributes stated about any of these people are obscure and in some cases state a marking or curse. It's based on rumor and gossip well after the fact. Most of it is either literary or superstition regarding these people and over time has taken on a life of its own. Many of them may refer to something else or never have existed at all.

I don't believe a "god" had anything to do with it at all. Much of what is bandied about these days comes from modern writers. It would be difficult to answer about how vampires came to be because no one can agree on a definition of what they are or even if they truly exist. There are many theories and some redundant ones that only have a basis in superstition, which seem to appear in dictionaries and encyclopedias but it is stated as folklore. So until something more concrete about them is proven I would say no, a god did not create them exactly at least like a punishement of some sort. To even accept that theory in the first place, one has to believe there is a "god" or some sort of sentient force to substantiate such an idea. No one has been able to prove that yet other than by faith alone. To add to that, I would have to say which god exactly?




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Well Vampirism is a condition of the astral soul ultimately we do not know if it is really a curse or a blessing from God or Gods from any religion or faith, so it really can not be determined if anything casted this condition on certain people in this world or even created it for that matter.




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If God created animals, then in that he created predatory species to control the numbers, these creatures can and will live side by side without harming each other, a wolf pack will only kill what it needs to sustain life in the pack, will never deplete their resources within their hunting grounds.

I believe humans were created by whatever diety you choose, as i conclude they all are one and the same, to nurture the earth. Assuming that humans were the top of the food chain, their numbers grow exponentially. Would it not be wise to assume that vamps/lycans would be created by the supreme being/s to control the numbers. I am definitely not condoning going out and "controling" the numbers what i am pointing out is that every species on earth has a major predator. Kindred races would fit the bill for this role.

As i stated in another post, we live in the grey area of good and evil as do other predatory creatures. A lion is not evil because it kills to eat, a leech is not evil because it feeds from blood, these two examples are good for vamps/lycans and humans.

Humans kill to eat yet they are not necessarily evil, some perhaps lol... psy vamps leech life force to sustain their existence, again this is not evil... blood vamps in the society we live in are learning to feed from donors and do not killl their donors, this is not evil, it is merely survival of a species.

I put to you this, if God created predatory animals then why would it not be concluded that God created Kindred races when none of these are necessarily intended to be evil or good, simply marked as a predatory evolution?




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Vampires in Romantic literature are rather an absence of God then a creation of God.

Outside literature the vampires are just human way of living.




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Dragonrouge says that in Romantic (vampire) literature it is the absence of god, rather than the presence of a god who creates vampires.

Really, quite insightful. For anyone who has read Interview with the Vampire, one of the most romantic (not in the sense of chick lit romance) vampire novels I've read, Louis'
torment, agony, gloom all has to do with his loss of Faith. Never really understood that before.




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I view Louis' torment a bit differently. To me, it did not seem so much an absence of faith but a loss of his Humanity that tormented him... and, thus, fear for also losing who he was...his very soul. This is why he drank rats' blood and shunned murdering others...and why LeStat loved to torment him knowing this...and at the same time envying Louis for it while mourning the lack of such Humanity in himself.

As re: the view of Vampires as romantic...absolutely so where the actual Vampires of history are concerned! As those who have read my writings here might recall, the true Vampire was first and foremost a deeply romantic and sensual/spiritual being. Thus, to believe romance is evidence of the absence of God is to also believe that God possesses no romantic nature. And to conclude thusly is to believe only in God as portrayed by celibate priests rather than to consider the natural and extant examples of fecundity and fertility found throughout our world. The more advanced the lifeform here, the more pronounced




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... the more pronounced its inherent romantic nature and the depth of the emotional bonds between that life form and its mates.

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despite the fact that i dont belive in god i do think that we were created for som greater purpose that of wich we cant understand




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God did not create vampyre's. Man's sinful ways created this demon by his actions.




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Just some ideas (really just some thoughts, nothing that I believe, but if it were true):

Perhaps Vampires (along with any other "hybrid" of a species) were created by the same thing humans, animals, and plant life were created. Think of it as this:

What if humans, as have many species of animals and plants, evolved into an entirely different species from which it first was "created". Perhaps with Vampires- they are the evolution of man's mortal sins and thus has created a monster that does what so many others (predators, like killers, etc) do it feeds off of the living. It evolved from some form of demented and twisted creature due to a mental or physical disorder. Like animals, it slowly but surely developed a survival mechanism (much like how some animals developed teeth and claws) to survive with in its form.

Or, perhaps in a way, scientifically, what if a "vampire" is nothing more than a species of humans that, through evolution, had to turn to cannibalism (feeding off of the blood of others to survive, or like with "Lycans" feeding off of the flesh of others) due to contributing factors of that specific "human" environment? Perhaps there was no wildlife to hunt and barren lands and thus they were incapable of surviving without having to turn to "Vampirism/Cannibalism"?

Because, techinically... If you really think about it- According to legends, Vampires feed off of the blood of others thus killing it in order to survive.

When does Vampirism end and Cannibalism start? What could have caused the difference in that particular species to have to adapt to blood drinking in order of surviving? What would have originally caused a species to be unable to walk in sunlight without 'bursting' into flames, ash, and/or smoke?

There are millions of theories one could go with on what vampires really are and why, how, and when they were created.





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interesting question but heres another one that goes along with this. are you sure that there is really a god. if there is then he made everything according to a book people live by




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Theres no way that everything that now exists on this planet was made on its own there has to be something divine out there that made everything.




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Agreed, kenji. While, for example, computer programs can be written that are capable of learning and developing on their own (like evolution purports to do biologically)... yet someone had to have first written the programs in the first place.




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Exactly also just like myths we can not always assume that the myth is not always true everything has an origin of where it began. To deny something is to deny who and what you are aswell.




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Religion is the primary ingredient in FEAR

People with actual Faith do not have it because of fear




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well i feel that the egyptians were the first vampires on record




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Very interesting responses. It seems to me that in considering the question of Did God Create Vampires, people start from their basic belief system - pagan, religion based, or what they like to call logic - and then go on to justify their base belief by interpreting our existence, and that of vampires.

But what it all revolves down to is that we humans find it impossible to conceive of nothingness. We all are victims of straight-line thinking, and we're born into a world filled w/life, where creation abounds. We want to have a creator. We want one that we can understand and we want it to love us.

Again, I think of Interview with the Vampire, and Lestat's, Louis', and Claudia's search for their origins and for others like them. They want rules, why's answered, explanations.

So to me the next big question is, if there is a god, does it have our best interests at heart? Does it know what it's doing? Is it capable of fucking up?




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I'd say the God, Goddess, and Devils are responsible for the creation of all their own children and whichever we Vampyr may birth from. Regardless of deity, they are all gods. ;)




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Well if we are to take a creationist view then yes you would have to conclude that vampiric elements were created by the being(s) that created "everything" this would include evil, war, pestilence, disease, death, suffering, murder, genocide the list just keeps on going.




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I was referring to the living being, not any state of being or event.




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Very interesting read. And lots of good points.
Im very interested in Ismael’s suggestion that Egyptians were the first… can you elaborate or can others add to this.. or make it a new post?




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well honestly i think a higher being did make them and they were made to prove that there is more then just what everyday people see




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if god so called created everything that exists than it would only make sense that he im fact did create vampires as well they just weren t thought up out of the blue




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If you believe in a God based on Fear then you are doing it wrong.

One has faith in something based on personal experiences USUALLY (thus not always the case for everyone) and/or what seems to make the most sense logically.

If we were to take out God/Gods and base our information on what is defined as vampirism alone through reality and/or sciences since God/Gods cannot be proven through science (at least not yet), we see there's more than one side of it and several explanations to how vampirism works and how energy plays a major role.

Now if we were to put your spiritual entities back into the equation, we find ourselves questioning more about things than what we have answers for. Vampires? Fallen Angels? Human beings with deficiencies?

We could go on this for years......

See the issue?

God is not yet proven to exist logically speaking.
Vampirism is a reality.

It doesn't matter whether or not some big sky father, or aliens from other worlds brought things here previously, or if the Earth itself created vampires. The simple fact is, if it exists, then it's meant to.




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God is everything.
Evil, Neutral, Good, all of it.
According to his definition, anyway.




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According to Bram Stoker's version of Vampires, Dracula created himself by openly forsaking God in some kind of anti-Christian ceremony after his wife killed herself thinking he had died in battle. Because suicide was a sin and she would not be ascending to Heaven, he hated God for it.




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the christen god didnt
because he is one himself




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Well if one and all powerful being created everything then it also created vampires?




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I do not believe in a higher power, but if one does exist it has been a very poor caretaker. To put vampires on the planet that humans live on is a sadistic idea. If a god put vampires on this planet, he would be a sadistic god, one who is unjust. I again am not religious so I think that vampires evolved, and I also believe that without religion suppressing scientific advancement, technology could be far more advanced, not necessarily would be more advanced, but the possibility would be there.




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I think man created vampires




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Vampires are a product of evolution, not human imagination or some deity that does not even exist. Get over the face that you might not be right those of you religious people who thinks that your "Creator" is just and created everything. Evolution and time created everything that exists, will exist or has existed.




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Ever heard of Lilith cursing Cain from killing his brother Abel.




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i believe God created everything
adn i do enjoy reading vampire novels- not gonna lie lol




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Remember, God created the vampire bat...

Vampire bats feed exclusively on the blood of living animals and are thus the only true parasites among mammals. There are three species ranging from Argentina to N Mexico. Unlike most bats, vampire bats can walk on all fours with the body lifted off the ground; it is in this manner that they approach their sleeping prey. The bat uses its razor-sharp incisors to make a neat incision, usually without waking the victim, then laps the blood with its tongue. Its saliva contains an anticoagulant that causes the wound to seep for several hours. Vampire bats parasitize a variety of animals, chiefly mammals. Although the quantity of blood they take is insufficent to harm a large animal, they are dangerous to livestock and humans because they transmit serious diseases such as rabies and Chagas's disease.

I could be that supersticious old folklore orginated from these vampire bats and it well known that rabies has been linked with vampire folklore. The susceptibility to garlic and light could be due to hypersensitivity, which is a symptom of rabies. The disease can also affect portions of the brain that could lead to disturbance of normal sleep patterns (thus becoming nocturnal) and hypersexuality. Wolves and bats, which are often associated with vampires, can be carriers of rabies. The disease can also lead to a drive to bite others and to a bloody frothing at the mouth.


So yes from a medical perspective, God did create vampires.




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Did God Create Vampires?
Posted: 17:27:41 - Oct 30 2011
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The "god" that is most commonly spoken of is relatively new, The vampire god would probably be Lilith or Lilitha, who has shown up at random points in legends as the Vampire Mother. As I've researched there are only a few stories or vampires before the first stories of her some I'm unsure. The common god looks down upon vampires because of their natural co-existence with his creatures




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Posted: 02:59:55 - Oct 31 2011
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My best response to this question would be, there is no solid evidence on the exsistance of our Race. Majority of them are based on belief. I have believed for many years that vamoires are created from a sucubis or incubis demon that possesess a mortal body and once infused by birth cannot be removed. I base this belief on the history of the two demon types. I do believe that our Race accends from a god of some sort. which one who I cannot answer.




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Posted: 18:04:51 - Oct 31 2011
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For priestessxxkarei don't misunderstand what the scriptures say, Jesus was called a wine bibber, friend of publicans, and tax collectors, it was the religious hypocrites he stood against.




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Posted: 18:09:35 - Oct 31 2011
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I believe vampires were created by god. I firmly believe in creation. I disagree with macro evolution but I do believe in micro evolution. Vampires I believe are at least born if not fully vampire with a vampire gene that must be triggered. I think it is the vampire gene that draws us to love vampires.




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Posted: 12:17:05 - Nov 01 2011
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This topic intrigued me. My thoughts are... as far as the fear side of things go, and pardon me if I repeat anyone as I didn't read the entire threads contents, If one believes in a higher power such as "God" then based on most religious faiths practices and belief systems you would say that yes he created vampires in a sense of they believe he created all. Biblical side note: It never said that he created just one side of things... it never specifies between his hand creating good and evil as only one but letting implication state he created both.

There is of course as I did notice for-mentioned the theory of vampires being the angels that chose to fall from heaven and side with Lucifer. That said in this theory there is the fact that drinking of blood and eternal life in sorts is considered to be a curse and punishment for the fall.

It is all really based on what you choose to believe really.

As far as the fear aspect of it all goes... I believe the fear in religion comes from nothing more then the unknown. No matter who we are we really do not have the answers. It is unknown to us the real reasons behind everything and all we do know is what we choose to believe we know. Even the most stubborn person to post and argue with everyone thinking they know everything knows nothing more then what he or she chooses to believe they know. That said... people fear the unknown, and will do strange things when confronted with it. I guess all in all... yes to a degree in my opinion faith in a higher being is the primary ingredient for fear. Especially when different walks of faith teach you to fear that Omnipotent being and his or her power. Such fear in a deity has been the beginning of many different types of problems over the years all the way down to killings in "the name of god".

Long story short, people will do what they are told to do or feel they should do because of the fear they have of their deity which is stemmed from not knowing the real truth behind what happens when they pass on.

I hope what I was attempting to say came out in some sense here, as I've had very little sleep and have began to ramble in my attempts to make a logical and contributing post. lol.




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Great response cursedtodarkness. I have many agreements to your post. As I have experianced, legends are for the most part always true or at least have fact. Therefore the belief in a higher power (which has been around as long as man) is the one ultimate legend that has truth. Wheather or not one religon is true and one is false doesn't matter. I know that something was responsible for the creation of life and what i see when I walk outside. I know that Vampires were also created by a higher power as well. I don't know who was responsible and what not but I have my faith and belief of who was responsible. If I am wrong, well I am wrong. But at least I believed in something and to me that is all that matters.




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Posted: 15:26:00 - Nov 04 2011
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There is no proof to the statement that "all legends are based on fact."

The most one can say with any assurance is that hearsay has the power of fact if it's repeated often enough.

If this were not true, there would be no explanation for pop culture and the people who are famous for being famous.

The magnificent, yet petty, Gods and Goddesses of Mount Olympus, are legendary, but did they, in fact, exist?

No.

Humans created them in our image, as we've created every god before and thereafter.

God didn't create vampires. We did.




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Posted: 22:31:32 - Nov 04 2011
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I feel that a supreme being did create us all whether you believe in a god or as I do a goddess that we didnt just come from a monkey and in my opinion I dont understand why we are so wrong I mean look at it like this if a polar bear for example can it its own young and that is exceptable I dont understamd why a vampyre is not allowed to consume from a willing donor. now I understand if it is unwilling but I mean if they are willing it should be excepted. however this is just my opinion.




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Posted: 22:32:52 - Nov 04 2011
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Bloodmother with all do respect there is no proof that man created gods and goddessess either. and it sounds to me and I could be wrong but you don't truely believe we r vampires. How could man create a species supperior to him or her.




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Posted: 16:20:26 - Nov 05 2011
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I was raised a christian- southern baptist. But although I use that whenever I'm asked for my religion, I really don't practice it. I believe that I am probably an atheist truly. Anyways... Most Christians would probably freak out if anyone said god created vampires saying "vampires don't exist, or they were created by the devil... Blah blah blah.." my stepdad is a very hypocritical Christian.... He drink and goes to bars and whatnot and curses, but he doesn't like for my brother to watch movies like say Harry potter because of the witchcraft... Of course, he can't tell me what to do because he isn't my dad. I'm all about vampires and witches and werewolves. :] but I'm sure highly religious jesus freaks probably don't believe that god created vampires. :/ but I dont know.. That's just my opinion.




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Posted: 17:15:05 - Nov 05 2011
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I consider myself eclectic Christian, but I very much believe in Jesus, God, the Trinity and the Bible. And according to the Bible, God created EVERYTHING. Everything started with Him, no exceptions. Even Satan was created by God; there has to be balance. So did God create vampires from a Christian standpoint? Yes, absolutely.

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Posted: 20:04:21 - Nov 08 2011
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Sooooo . . . next question: Was a vampire on Noah's arc?





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