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04:41 Apr 29 2011
Times Read: 597


I'm adding a couple of things. I am sure there will be some people if anyone reads this, lol, that say, "who the hell is Peggy Lee?" Well she was famous. She is noted for the song Fever. I am putting up a video so you can see her.







Then in Diana Kralls video below they mention Keely Smith. I use to love her. She was the person that Cher copied in the tv show she had with Sonny. I knew right away as soon as I watched the show the first time. Keely was hilarious and an awesome singer. Her husband was a band leader, Louis Prima, and they both sang but he was sort of like Sachmo in that his voice wasn't that great exactly. They appeared on TV variety shows back in the 50s/60s a lot. I was just a kid when I watched them. I haven't found any video's that exactly show how she was with him. Her deadpan and such when he showed off and danced around, lol. They were very funny together and she is an awesome singer. Found one that gives an idea of her deadpan. She would make comments too. I will put a second video here with her singing because she doesn't sing in this one.







They are clowning around in this one.











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11:21 Apr 27 2011
Times Read: 606


I have been listening to Bossa Nova since I was around 17 years old. Originally in Portuguese from Brazil. It started (my listening to it) with the group Brazil 65 and the group changed their name from year to year but the first one performed in the original language completely then they went to some English. This was Sergio Mendes group.



This was from my first album. I don't know if I still have this. I do have some of my old albums but some are long gone. Here you can hear the type of voice that is optimum for this type of music, although not everyone has such a smooth voice but many do. This artist singing is quite famous. She is also known as Wanda Sa'.







This was the next incarnation and Wanda was gone. I think some will recognize this.







Then I went to this type of music in the 80s, of course I listened to other stuff but I have always been attracted to South American rhythms.







"Lambada", also released as "Chorando Se Foi (Lambada)", is a 1989 song recorded by the French pop group Kaoma with the Brazilian vocalist Loalwa. This was showcased in a movie called Lambada: Dance of Fire. There was another Lambada movie with Melora Hardin in it and one person in particular. Shabba Doo whose real name is Adolfo Quiñones was the choreographer of the movie Lambada. He was one of the founders of the dance style called Locking. He's one of the forefathers of hip-hop dancing, "The Original Lockers" and was an Original Soul Train Gang member in the 70s and early 80s. He did a really good job in the movie.



I don't really listen to jazz much, but I like light jazz even though Bossa Nova falls under this category. I was watching a movie a couple of nights ago and in the credits I heard this song and this "voice," so I looked her up tonight on YouTube and this lady is basically a jazz singer and pianist. Her name is Diana Krall and from my recollection I don't think I have heard of her prior but then who knows. She cut an album of songs that are Bossa Nova or in the style. Supposedly awhile back she was suppose to be doing something with Streisand. I saw that in YouTube.



Krall has a deep contralto voice that is very edgy. Just the right type of voice for Bossa Nova. I also found out she would be performing in my area in June at Harrah's Rincon in Valley Center. I am hoping I might be able to go see her. I got to see Rita Coolidge who is now doing more toward a jazz style. She lives close by in Fallbrook. This was several years ago that I saw Rita in Alpine at Viejas another Native American casino in San Diego county. I also saw Kenny Loggins there twice. I wasn't a fan of his until someone dragged me there to see him. My mind changed on that one.







If you don't know who Rita is, she use to be married to Kris Kristofferson and this I think is her most famous song. The picture they show looks pretty much like she still looks now. You can tell she is older but she doesn't look much different. This is probably her most famous recording from the late 70s.







Kenny Loggins was originally in a group called Loggins and Mecina and then went on his own. He had songs in Top Gun but he has been touring for years. He wrote some children's songs and recorded a couple albums of same and he includes one in particular in his shows. People will stand and sing along with him. You can hear that in this video. Most remember him from Footloose, Danger Zone and Your Mama Can't Dance, etc. He does record new things though. He is just an older performer that does a lot of his old songs for his fan base like many these days but he is actually a very good singer live even now. Who knew, I surely didn't, lol. I didn't mention that the video I have placed here is his Winnie the Poo song. If you have kids you should listen to this if you haven't heard it.







Now in the 70s I wasn't just listening to the popular music although I did but this band came out of this time-period. They were from Hawaii. Kalapana was really popular in certain circles.







Then there was Spyro Gyra.







I listened to this as well as disco and probably everything inbetween. I got a little nostalgic I guess tonight. Sorry, LOL.



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dragonspawn
dragonspawn
16:06 Jun 02 2011

I thought i was the only one who liked Bossa Nova





 

20:15 Apr 10 2011
Times Read: 628


Note: If there is a problem with anything in the article such as you are in disagreement with anything said here, please check out the links and email those who are stating what you disagree with in the article. I have annotated it all.



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IS IT WITCHCRAFT ?




With the revival of many old religions and the surge in practitioners of Neo Paganism it’s not surprising that people get confused and believe that many practices are one in the same. This is the time period when many of the celebrations begin to start working their way toward the advent of the New Year. I felt I would write something on Witchcraft in honor of the seasons coming; fall/autumn and winter.



I am neither a practitioner of Wicca nor Witchcraft but have been around long enough and involved in metaphysics and the occult to know they are not one in the same. One particular form of Wicca could be called the “Mother” form I would guess and that is Gardnerian. Since this was formed in the 50s many other versions of Wicca have sprung up with their own twist on this religious practice and some actually drawing from older practices or even a combination of other religious practices such as the Correllian Nativist Tradition that is a combination of Native American beliefs and Scottish Witchcraft but consider themselves a form of Wicca.



"Gardner supposedly discovered a traditional craft coven in England and was initiated into the coven- and oaths of secrecy prevented him from going public with his practice. Eventually, Gardner did go public with his supposed practice, but was forced to fill in, embellish, and write in occult practices to make up for what he was not allowed to reveal. His "creation" became what is known as Gardnerian Wicca- a practice that combines goddess reverence, ideas borrowed from the Ordo Templi Orientis of Aleister Crowley, the Golden Dawn, and some ideas found within Eastern philosophy and Freemasonry. Many others have contributed to the beliefs and practices of the many traditions of Wicca, but most give Gardner credit for being the first to bring it to public attention, and being the "creator" of this modern religion. I will also add that there is much debate and skepticism concerning the coven with which Gardner said he was a member....whether or not it truly existed."

http://www.meta-religion.com/Spiritualism/Wicca/wicca_and_witchcraft.htm



Note: This has been said to be the New Forest Coven in England and he was inducted by Dorothy Clutterbuck.



Another source said this:



"'Old Dorothy' was the nickname of Dorothy Clutterbuck, who Gerald Gardner claimed initiated him into Wicca (he didn't generally use that term, preferring to call it "witchcraft" -- though he did mention at one point that its practitioners referred to themselves as "The Wica", with one c). He stated that she ran a coven in the New Forest area of England."

http://www.wildideas.net/temple/library/letters/dorothy.html



Another source, Brigan’s Haven had this to say about the origin of Wicca:




"Gardner was very heavily influenced by other religions and other occultist practices in the creation of his magickal system for Wicca. Most obvious and recognizable is his connection to the OTO, Golden Dawn, Masons, and the practices and teachings of Crowley. Gardner was also fond of many Eastern philosophies and took many forms of meditation as well as his system of karma from their religions. Other notable pieces "borrowed" from other sources include the ritual tools (taken from Kabalistic magick), the directional correspondences and their importance (taken from the Greeks), and the development of many of the "laws" of Wicca (taken from the OTO and Crowley). While others also had a hand in helping develop much of Gardner's work into the tradition that it became, including Doreen Valiente, the eventual work that Gardner did helped others like Alex Sanders go on to create even yet more traditions of Wicca; in this case Alexandrian Wicca."

http://www.brigids-haven.com/bos/beginner/wvsw.html



As you can see here again is the same theme that I mentioned previously about the differences and some of the sources of the practices in Wicca that vary drastically from Traditional Witchcraft. Another source states similarly but if you look closer it seems she felt justified that it was his only way to revive an interest in the study of Witchcraft and to give it an actual name created by practitioners rather than another religious following.




"Believing that the Craft was dying out, he dedicated himself to reviving it. In his coven, many things were secret, so his writings combined some things from the coven along with elements of ceremonial magick (Kabbala), Masonic ritual, various versions of the Craft, Celtic mythology, eastern philosophies, Egyptian ideologies, and even fictional ideas from mystical works along the lines of Lovecraft and Hubbert. The elements (earth, air, fire, water) which form an important part of Wiccan ideology are from Classical Greece. Gardner was clearly a learned man to combine diverse philosophies and religions in such a way that it not only stopped the decline." http://www.geocities.com/paganwicca2000/diff.htm



"From a cultural standpoint, we read the word ’witch’ and with it comes a large trolley of baggage that we have inherited from the popularly reinforced understanding of the word, influenced heavily by fairy stories and biased histories told from a protagonistic point of view. Today the specifically Saxon word ’witch’ tends to conjure up images of old hags prancing about on dark, spooky moors and cackling into cauldrons.



Witch is derived from the Saxon root word wicce (feminine) or wicca (masculine) and the Saxons used it to describe a class of persons whom they thought were inhabited by an intelligence or spirit - a daemon or genii - usually evil, because the Saxons took up Catholicism pretty early on in their careers and were consequently biased.”


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02.htm



Due to the “New Age” of almost anything goes, the word eclectic has been infused by some to mean, “ I can make up and practice what I choose from any tradition or even any country and call it whatever I want, “ which many times is labeled merely the “Craft.” According to sources this is far from the truth and one had this to say about it:



"An eclectic witch carefully chooses a path that has elements from different witchcraft traditions, making sure that there are no contradictions or conflicts among the element chosen, and that each is well understood. There are some limits. Not only can the path not be entirely idiosyncratic, but it must be clearly pagan."

http://www.branwenscauldron.org/index.php?page=16



There is also the view that one cannot be a witch and be following many of the established religions such as Christianity. They are not monotheistic and they have no book that they are required to follow. Therefore from the beginning there is a conflict in either choice. It would be a long and drawn out process trying to discuss all of the pros and cons in one article. Needless to say either way neither of these religious practices can base their beliefs on many other practices that have been handed down. It is still Neo Paganism because the records are not there to base most things upon. What little they have is found here and there and one adheres more to what is found in Europe and the other draws on the same but additional practices from other cultures, some of which are modern.



Unfortunately I do have to say that those that practice Traditional Witchcraft simply do not like Wiccans calling themselves “witches” because they have different ideologies and they feel it is confusing to the general public. Wicca is a very modern religious practice. They are nature worshippers who use magic(k) in their ceremonies but beyond drawing from older traditions in some things they practice, they are not the same. This is a phenomenon of the 20th Century. Whether or not Gardner chose a word that can be traced back in origin to describe and name the practice has no bearing on it being one in the same. This is meant as no offence to anyone but many things as far as philosophies and religious views sometimes stem from older ideas but that still remains to be seen pertaining to pre-history.



Not much is known about early witchcraft except writings done by various Christian conquerors. Most of what the country folk knew was passed on in an oral tradition and they didn’t really attach a name to it because it was what everyone practiced and believed at the time. Many could not even read nor write so that was another obstacle in finding any records of early traditions. There were a few special observances that appear to have had names but they varied by region and language. What is practiced today is a revival of what little is known of the past and teachings that were written down by those who came in to convert indigenous inhabitants under their rule due to occupation.



The term “witch” appears to have been attached by the Christians who were persecuting the old ways on behalf of the new ones. Whether you think the word “witch” stems from a far older time it wasn’t what it was called by those that practiced the craft. It was used to make the practice look evil. Many have stopped using this name amongst the Traditional forms and especially in the time it was first used. They switched to calling themselves “Crafters,” “The People,” “Pellars” or some other name and in some cases by no name at all because the word witch was meant as an insult by the church and if it was used it was rewarded with death when first initiated.



Up until 1951 there were still anti-witchcraft laws in Great Britain and this is said to be partially why Gardner was so secretive. When they were repealed Gerald Gardner felt it was his duty to revive some of the old practices and give it a new face lift since it seemed to be dying out. A few years later he published a book entitled “Witchcraft Today.”



Traditional Witchcraft has no known founder. They have a tendency to venerate local area gods and goddesses rather than draw any god from any culture. They keep to their given area of descent. Ceremonies could include magic(k) but it didn’t have to be part of the ritual. Usually it would have something to do with harvests and agriculture because these people were tied to the land for their very survival. They would pay homage to such gods and goddesses that relate to the seasons and migration or hibernation of certain animal wildlife. The land was essentially their life and they lived from its bounty. These people were hunters and gatherers.



The dividing line is obscure in many ways because this is also somewhat reinvented due to lack of information which would clearly classify it under the umbrella of Neo Paganism. It makes it very difficult from what most sources relate to distinguish the two but there are many things that differ greatly. Also it is impossible to trace the practices back before the middle ages to clearly know what was believed. There are references and some can trace through family lines back into the 17th Century, but beyond that it gets very sketchy.



Unfortunately those that tried to carry on older traditions have practices that are very different from modern day Wicca. For one, they tend to work more with the elements of earth, air, fire and water in nature rather than nature in and of itself and also relating to the moon and the sun. They never attend ceremonies “sky clad” as they feel that it is an insult to their gods. On occasion they will be disrobed but their bodies are fully painted with sigils and such for the occasion and this is as far as they go. They do not believe in practicing their religion in the nude. It is not usually their practice to call the “Guardians of the Watchtowers.”




"Traditional Witchcraft is polytheistic and view all spirits, Gods, and animal spirits as being part of one larger whole that is both different and separate from them, but not inferior or superior and therefore not

in need of worshipping."


http://www.brigids-haven.com/bos/beginner/wvsw.html



They honor these beings but do not consider them above man but equal.



“Traditional Witchcraft is polytheistic and animistic, incorporating a number of spirits/deities into a meaningful whole.”

http://www.branwenscauldron.org/index.php?page=16



They see each god or goddess as an individual being and call upon them in this manner whereas in Wicca they see certain gods and goddesses in a three-fold manner as levels of passage so to speak from the maiden to the crone. Even though Traditional witchcraft does recognize a chosen path they follow, they will usually only go down one path depending on life happenings which may cause them to switch their chosen path. There is always one in particular that is dominant and they aren’t multiply in nature or do they usually switch from one to the other to the other sequentially. They have found only one place in the world and it was not in Europe but in Turkey where they view deities from the idea of virgin, mother and then hag. Historically it has not been found in any other place so it really isn’t part of the Traditional Witchcraft practice.



Branwen also goes on to say,
“Traditional Witches do not worship any entity as their superior, though they recognize the existence of other entities. They believe in the equality of all beings in the Universe, seeing them as different, separate, but never superior or inferior. This difference is often a source of confusion. A traditional witch may speak of the god and the goddess, usually referring to the female and male aspects of Nature, and while they revere and respect Nature, they do not worship it or its representatives.”

http://www.branwenscauldron.org/index.php?page=16



Generally they venerated those gods and goddesses that dealt with the particular region they inhabited but more in the sense of reverence rather than worship. They also do not rule out or make judgment about what is “good” or “evil” such as in the case of curses, hexes and the like. This is left to the conscience of the individual witch and if it is needed for protection of the family. It isn’t condoned in the traditional sense but they don’t police the group with warnings of consequences and each practitioner takes on whatever consequences they feel they deserve by individual case. They are well aware and in some cases they feel this type of action warranted. They don’t use terms such as dark or black witch because they have done such things that are felt justifiable. They believe in intent and cause and effect but not in the sense of karma. Each individual is responsible for their own actions.



They do invoke spirits to work with them. It is believed that they are already here in a spirit world that man cannot physically see but is here and apart of this world. Therefore to draw the spirits out they must summon them to work together to accomplish a need rather than aid. Traditionalists consider man as equals and they work together with the spirit world. They generally go to a place that may relate best to the action such as a river or mountain but they will just as easily do ritual in the backyard of a members home if need be. All space is sacred to the Traditional Witch so they don’t practice creating sacred space with a sacred circle. Magic(k) is a natural process in the world to the Traditional Witch so therefore is utilized in this manner. It is in this context that they see their practice of magic(k) to be spiritual in nature which is very different from the Wiccan view.



Casting a circle
“is a concept based on Hermetic circles found within grimoires such as the Key of Solomon and used by the Golden Dawn, among others. The traditional term for casting a circle is "compass round" and some traditions of witchcraft do incorporate this idea and do have ceremonies for this, but they are not similar to most Wiccan circle casting.”

http://www.meta-religion.com/Spiritualism/Wicca/wicca_and_witchcraft.htm



Traditional witchcraft groups are more loose-knit and do not have High Priests and Priestesses and are not so tied to the feminine position in things. The leader of one of these Craft groups could be male or female. It appears that it is more dependent on knowledge and time and willingness to serve the group in a leadership capacity. The rituals performed are not as formal either. They do have “rites of passage” as do the Wiccans but they are not set up in a format of leveling up by what you learn but in the sense of life conditions or a dedication to certain precepts of that coven. They have a basic outline for rituals of varying types but they are more spontaneous in filling in the blanks than something that has been written out and memorized to be repeated each time. They are more concerned with why they are doing a ritual than the ritual itself.



They do not self-initiate but generally follow these guidelines which they feel is a very important part of Traditional Witchcraft:




Branwen also goes on to say,
“For Traditional Witches, Initiation is granted as a rite of passage and is when the lineage of the Witch is passed on and when secrets of the Craft are given. This is not something that a person studies for over the course of a set frame of time like the year and a day in Wicca. This is something that some Traditional Witches may work towards for many, many years and some may never reach that level at all. Certain tasks will need to be completed and certain knowledge will need to be retained, and only then, when the person is actually ready, will they be initiated.



Initiation in Traditional Witchcraft is a formal ritual for the purpose of passing on the lineage. The lineage is the essence of the Witch and therefore this is a ritual that is required to be performed by a Witch that has previously been initiated.


http://www.brigids-haven.com/bos/beginner/wvsw.html



There is no karma or three-fold laws, no duality of god and goddess in which the gods are aspects of one as the Traditional form was polytheistic as mentioned previously. If they kept a Book of Shadows it was for themselves generally and written in some form of alphabetic code or pictoral for their purposes only and from sources was not an original practice because your life could depend upon it if such a book was found. It was not passed down generally to family members if they even created one. It appears to be a more modern practice of some in Wicca. Traditional Witchcraft had been an oral tradition; therefore this was not one of their usual pastimes.



Traditional witchcraft does not follow “The Rede” which is a modern invention for Wicca. Even those involved in Wicca bicker about what the source was of this tenet. This argument has not been resolved but due to its versions and wording is believed to come from modern times and very closely resembles something Crowley espoused which is believed to have been taken yet again from someone else. Some believe the final version was written around 1975 but that has yet to be proven. On the other hand the Traditionalists tend to evaluate the situation. Therefore their set of ethics would depend on the situation.



As for observances concerning Sabbats, solstices and equinoxes, this is one comment:




Unfortunately, this is a very modern development. The Celts, for instance, did not observe the Solstices or equinoxes in pre-christian times. There is every evidence to suggest that the native Britons, (who far preceded the Celts’ coming to the Isles) did, but the Ancient Celts did not have an eight-fold calendar. They didn’t even have four seasons…only a Summer and a Winter. Gerald Gardner, again, influenced by other occultists, especially, in this case, by the romantic “revivalist” druids of England, brought this invented “eight sabbat” concept into Wicca. http://www.paganlore.com/witchcraft_vs_wicca.aspx



The Traditional witch celebrates the seasonal changes but they do not have compulsory rituals honoring specific gods or goddesses that may relate to them. Both groups honor the moon phases. Magic(k) is a great part of Traditional witchcraft but as mentioned previously not actually required. Wiccans use theirs as an enhancement but it isn’t the basis of most things they practice. Certain viewpoints maintain that many things such as prayer, chanting and other ritualized behaviors for a benefit could also be considered magic(k) as well. The whole of the earth is sacred and magic(k) to the Traditional Witch. The Wiccans have beautiful rituals they have created, it is just the degree and philosophies of what they do that vary.



By far and by large, the tools used by traditional witches do not resemble the wiccan “working tools”. They tend to be things like Stangs, besoms, cauldrons, cords, skulls, (of people or animals), hammers, mirrors, various stones, horns or bowls… some traditions use knives as well, but without the new-agey symbolism attached. Some Traditions may not use tools at all!

http://www.paganlore.com/witchcraft_vs_wicca.aspx



There are traditions followed in other forms of witchcraft derived from other areas of Europe. One is the Aradian form of witchcraft. The Aradian Tradition stems from Witchcraft in Italy, called Tanarra. It is a nature religion. “It acknowledges polarity of gender within the natural order personified as the God and Goddess. The year is divided up into the God months, October through February and the Goddess months, March through September. Balance is essential and therefore Goddess and God are viewed as equal but different manifestations of Divine Consciousness.” http://home.att.net/~thewitchinghour/aradia.html



Reincarnation has been incorporated into Wicca which is derived from Eastern beliefs in that the soul incarnates from lifetime to lifetime until they reach a state or perfection or what some term “enlightenment.” The Traditional Witch believes more in accordance to this idea.



Witches usually believe the spirit, or soul, will pass on and become a part of the spirit of the land or universe, become a spirit guardian or dwell with the guardians, and may possibly one day be reborn into the extended family in some form. This rebirth may not necessarily be physical, but spiritual, and in the form of a protector or guide. There are many variations of beliefs, but reincarnation is not a part of traditional witchcraft beliefs.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Spiritualism/Wicca/wicca_and_witchcraft.htm



Quite often the word Warlock is mentioned in regard to both Wicca and Witchcraft but this was something used by the Church to disparage Witchcraft. “The word "warlock" translates as the Scottish Gaelic term for a liar, oath breaker, back-stabber, or someone generally not to be trusted.” http://www.traditionalwitchcraft.org/HSDwitchFAQ.html#1



Warlock did not refer to a male witch but designated those who betrayed the coven. A knife would be taken and the forehead of the betrayer was cut to leave a permanent marking, so all could recognize them for who they were, someone who could not be trusted.



In a sense what is being said about Wicca would be rather befitting since the base word “wicce” actually means to bend or shape rather than “wise” which is a mistranslation of the word. The new religion with touches of the old to fit a more modern time period still leaves room for those that prefer the more traditional forms of the Craft. Times change and things evolve and form something new. It doesn’t mean they are wrong or bad or anything of that sort, it just means they are different in viewpoint and very often content. This could very likely be the more universal form of witchcraft that incorporates other beliefs just as in Universalism. The bottom line here is to realize that Wicca is not Traditional Witchcraft or really witchcraft at all but something new and appealing in its own right and practitioners should be referred to as Wiccans rather than Witches to distinguish the two from each other. Both have a place in society today.



For those interested in reading more about Dorothy Clutterbuck, you can go to this site:


http://www.controverscial.com/Old%20Dorothy%20Clutterbuck.htm





http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/ffwiccawitchcraft.html

http://www.branwenscauldron.org/index.php?page=16

http://www.brigids-haven.com/bos/beginner/wvsw.html

http://www.geocities.com/paganwicca2000/diff.htm

http://home.att.net/~thewitchinghour/aradia.html

http://www.meta-religion.com/Spiritualism/Wicca/wicca_and_witchcraft.htm

http://www.paganlore.com/witchcraft_vs_wicca.aspx

http://www.traditionalwitchcraft.org/HSDwitchFAQ.html#1

http://www.wildideas.net/temple/library/letters/dorothy.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02.htm









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Saetan
Saetan
22:54 Apr 10 2011

Great post





 

05:28 Apr 10 2011
Times Read: 630


In May 2005, it was reported that scholars at Oxford University using advanced imaging techniques had been able to read previously illegible portions of a manuscript which stated 616 instead of the majority of texts which state 666. The existence of manuscripts attesting to 616 had also been noted before this finding. Another early witness Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (C) (a palimpsest) has it written in full: ἑξακόσιοι δέκα ἕξ, hexakosiai deka hex (lit. "six hundred and sixteen"). This, along with the translation of P115, has led some scholars to conclude that 616 is the original number of the beast.



The NRSV translation for Rev 13:18 includes this translation note: "Other ancient authorities read six hundred and sixteen".



Some scholars contend that the number 666 is a code for the Roman Emperor Nero. Charagma is well attested to have been an imperial seal of the Roman Empire used on official documents during the 1st and 2nd centuries. In the reign of Emperor Decius (249–251 AD), those who did not possess the certificate of sacrifice (libellus) to Caesar could not pursue trades, a prohibition that conceivably goes back to Nero, reminding one of Revelation 13:17.



However, others believe the Book of Revelation was written after Nero committed suicide in AD 68. The Catholic Encyclopedia has noted that Revelation was "written during the latter part of the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, probably in A.D. 95 or 96". Additional Protestant scholars are in agreement. Because some believe Revelation 13 speaks of a future prophetic event, "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Revelation 13:8 NKJV), some have argued that the interpretation of Nero meeting the fulfillment is an impossibility if Revelation was written around 30 years after the death of Nero. However, rumors circulated that Nero had not really died and would return to power. It has also been suggested that the numerical reference to Nero was a code to imply but not directly point out emperor Domitian, whose style of rulership resembled that of Nero and who put the people of Asia (Lydia), whom the Book of Revelation was primarily addressed to at the time, under heavy taxation.



The Greek spelling, "Nerōn Kaisar", transliterates into Aramaic as "נרון קסר", nrwn qsr. The Aramaic spelling is attested in a scroll from Murabba'at dated to "the second year of emperor Nero." (wikipedia)



Some say it means "Vicarius Filii Dei," which is written on the crown of the Pope. When using Gematria it cyphers to 666 meaning the papacy. So I don't see why any group would use that saying they are Satanists when it appears to have nothing to do with that at all and especially those who don't follow Christianity...it seems kind of weird to me. The number is not evil but a code representing someone but not a celestial entity in heaven or fallen anywhere else if you do the research. It becomes rather old hat to put that symbol up if you are more of an atheist actually or following more of a philosophical line of thought or for some trying to look dark. My apologies to anyone who is a serious Satanist but you have to recognize some are using the symbols for attention, just like they say they are a vampire hundreds of years old here. Satanists should not use the symbol 666 because it really hasn't been identified who or what that represents really. There are various theories on it and many think it doesn't apply to the present at all. I don't consider it a religious symbol at all so therefore I don't consider where it comes from canon because it wasn't canon in the Roman bible.



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From April 2005



Papyrus Reveals New Clues to Ancient World



James Owen

for National Geographic News



Christopher Pelling, regius professor of Greek at Oxford University, said the works are "central texts which scholars have been speculating about for centuries."



Researchers hope to rediscover examples of lost Christian gospels which didn't make it into the New Testament, along with other important classical writings.



The papyrus manuscripts were found at the site of the disappeared town of Oxyrhynchus in central Egypt more than a hundred years ago. The text in much of the collection has become obscured or faded over time.



Researchers at Oxford University are now employing a digital imaging process that's able to reveal ink invisible to the naked eye. They say the technique should boost the amount of writing available to scholars studying the collection by around 20 percent.



Deciphering Technique



Dirk Obbink, a lecturer in papyrology and Greek literature at Oxford, directs the research. He says the digital imaging process was first developed for researchers who studied Roman texts buried during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in Italy in the first century.



"We're applying it for the first time to non-carbonized ancient manuscripts on papyrus, which was the paper of the ancient world," Obbink said. "Most of our collection comes from rubbish dumps, so it's been in contact with soil for thousands of years and can be quite dark."



The imaging process works by using different filters to isolate the waveband to which the hidden writing responds. "Some [text] respond[s] in the ultraviolet range, some in the infrared range," Obbink said. "The technique involves finding the exact right point at which the ink reflects at maximum contrast against the slightly less dark surface so you can read it."



Classical Greek and Roman literature is being read for the first time in 2,000 years thanks to new technology. The previously illegible texts are among a hoard of papyrus manuscripts. Scholars say the rediscovered writings will provide a fascinating new window into the ancient world.



Salvaged from an ancient garbage dump in Egypt, the collection is kept at Oxford University in England. Known as the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, the collection includes writings by great classical Greek authors such as Homer, Sophocles, and Euripides.



Using a technique called multi-spectral imaging, researchers have uncovered texts that include



• parts of a lost tragedy by Sophocles, the 5th-century B.C. Athenian playwright;

•sections of a long-vanished novel by Lucian, the second-century Greek writer; and

• an epic poem by Archilochos, which describes events that led to the Trojan War.



Christopher Pelling, regius professor of Greek at Oxford University, said the works are "central texts which scholars have been speculating about for centuries."



Researchers hope to rediscover examples of lost Christian gospels which didn't make it into the New Testament, along with other important classical writings.



The papyrus manuscripts were found at the site of the disappeared town of Oxyrhynchus in central Egypt more than a hundred years ago. The text in much of the collection has become obscured or faded over time.



Researchers at Oxford University are now employing a digital imaging process that's able to reveal ink invisible to the naked eye. They say the technique should boost the amount of writing available to scholars studying the collection by around 20 percent.



Deciphering Technique



Dirk Obbink, a lecturer in papyrology and Greek literature at Oxford, directs the research. He says the digital imaging process was first developed for researchers who studied Roman texts buried during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in Italy in the first century.



"We're applying it for the first time to non-carbonized ancient manuscripts on papyrus, which was the paper of the ancient world," Obbink said. "Most of our collection comes from rubbish dumps, so it's been in contact with soil for thousands of years and can be quite dark."



The imaging process works by using different filters to isolate the waveband to which the hidden writing responds. "Some [text] respond[s] in the ultraviolet range, some in the infrared range," Obbink said. "The technique involves finding the exact right point at which the ink reflects at maximum contrast against the slightly less dark surface so you can read it."



Obbink says the research should add to the body of known work of standard classical authors such as Homer and Sophocles, as well as that of lesser known writers "who didn't survive either through accident of time or because they weren't as popular."



Sophocles wrote 120 plays, but only seven survived, among them Oedipus Rex and Antigone. "We have samples of all the rest in these papyrus fragments," Obbink said. "We're filling in the gaps incrementally. You're never going to get each and every word of 120 plays, but you will get a slice of what was available during the centuries when these rubbish mounds built up."



The fragments may also shed new light on texts that have survived only by being repeatedly copied over thousands of years. "These older [papyrus] texts can be more accurate, or preserve completely new readings," Obbink said.



Similarly, Biblical scholars can expect valuable new material to emerge as some gospels that weren't included in the New Testament didn't survive. "The texts that are in the Bible were selected out of a much larger body of work that once circulated," Obbink said. "We have samples of that material here."



Roman Period



He says the Oxyrhynchus collection holds a lot of information about the rise of Christianity during the Roman period. (Egypt became part of the Roman Empire after Cleopatra's fleet was defeated at the battle of Actium in 31 B.C.).



"[Christianity] starts out as a small social phenomenon, then just takes over everything," Obbink said. "You can see other cultural sea changes taking place—changes in taxes, changes in rule. It's all reflected in the papyrus."



Oxyrhynchus, 100 miles (160 kilometers) southwest of modern-day Cairo, rose to prominence under Egypt's Greek and Roman rulers. The town's papyrus-rich garbage heaps were excavated in the late 1890s by two Oxford University fellows, B.P. Grenfell and A.S. Hunt. Researchers have been painstakingly piecing together the Oxyrhynchus papyri fragments ever since.



So far 65 volumes of transcripts and translations have been published by the London-based Egypt Exploration Society, which owns the collection.



The latest volume includes details of fragments showing third- and fourth-century versions of the Book of Revelations. Intriguingly, the number assigned to "the Beast" of Revelations isn't the usual 666, but 616.



About 10 percent of the Oxyrhynchus hoard is literary. The rest consists of documents, including wills, bills, horoscopes, tax assessments, and private letters.



"It contains a complete slice of life," Obbink added. "There's everything from Sophocles and Homer to sex manuals and steamy novels. But it's in pieces, and it all has to be put back together."



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/04/0425_050425_papyrus.html


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Attention Seeking

10:53 Apr 09 2011
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Negative Attention Seeking Behavior



I consider "negative attention seeking" behavior to be behavior that is designed solely to get a (negative) reaction from another person. The person is not expressing a sincerely held point of view but rather saying or doing something for the purpose of eliciting a reaction from the other person.



Similarly, one might have an honest opinion and express it solely for that purpose. That would not be negative attention seeking behavior. But even if the opinion was sincere, if the person expected it to elicit a negative reaction from the other person and did so partly with that goal in mind, then that would describe the behavior as at least partly (and perhaps predominantly) negative attention seeking.



So what does that mean:



According to some doctors and therapists:



1. you need to look at the fact that the person is looking for more attention, even if it's negative attention



2. you need to try to figure out why that situation is as it is



3. you need to figure out if you want to provide the additional attention the person is demanding



4. if you do want to give him/her attention, you need to figure out how to get him to go after positive attention rather than negative attention



5. if you don't want to give him/her the extra attention he/she is demanding, ignore the behavior or take steps to otherwise "punish" it.



This is providing the person isn't antisocial, if they are, they generally won't care what you do or say. Therefore your best bet is to ignore them and not give them the satisfaction of your ill will. This is considered a child's action so that should say something about an adult who seeks this type of reinforcement that there is something psycholgical going on or perhaps they are stirring up negative energy to feed upon. Believe me some do this and get off on it.


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One line of heritage

20:28 Apr 08 2011
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Baron Reynier Vandersluyse:



The story that has been handed down through the Vanderslice families was that Reynier was found washed up on the beach by a titled family and he married their daughter and was given the title of Baron. Vanderslice translates to "from the sea". Upon taking his title, he was given as a Crest, a shell, representing the place on the beach where he was found. For his charity, he was endowed with the Cross of the Legion of Honor which was put on a shield, in addition to his father-in-law's crest and the Motto "San Crainted", to make his coat of arms. The motto means "Without Fear." From the History of the Flickinger Family by Pat Berendt.



As I said on the profile it wasn't written Vanderslice until he naturalized in the US. I follow a straight paternal line until my Mother's brother who was the last of that line. He had two daughters and no sons.



There are a whole slew of these people in the US and one is a singer of some note. I'm related to the Sheriff who was the first person to read the Declaration of Independence in the square in PA after it was written. He can be looked up as well. Met some Vanderslices online because they had a reunion of this reading and I wrote to one of them.



I got interested in geneology because of all the mysteries in the family. Still haven't solved most of them because most of the males have names that are too generic even with an uncommon last name. OR at least what would seem to be uncommon until you start researching the names. So I am Dutch, English, Irish, Norman, German and Irish by descent and get lumped into the category of "white." (unfortunately) I am not sure what nationality Reynier was to begin with. He had amnesia when they found him. As far as I know, he never remembered where he came from originally. There was also some intermarriage with German women here and there.


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