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A Bloodist is a person who partakes of human or animal blood, but generally not for a sexual purpose. Anyone who partakes of the blood of another is a Bloodist. Bloodists often call themselves vampires, or are called vampires by outsiders and the uninformed.

Sanguinariuns/Bloodists are humans who enjoy feeding from one another. They do not have the Vampire Medical Condition and they do not necessarily have the psychological problems so often attributed to sexual fetishists. Bloodist are not infected with the Retrovirus commonly attributed to all Vampires in today's modern medicine.
Sanguinariuns/Bloodists do not need blood to survive, as in nourishment, the way real and true medical vampires do. They simply have made a life style out of sharing one another's blood for pleasure, intimacy or some other form of bonding and closeness. Bloodists do often have both blood and sex, or just the 'blooding' which in many cases replaces the passion of sex itself.

Again, I remind you that these are not vampires, because they are not infected with the virus and do not have the Vampire Medical Condition. However, many still tend to call themselves vampires because they actually physically take blood from one another.


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Bloodists obtain their blood from donors and friends. Usually they do so by slicing with a razor, scalpel or other device included in the design of various pieces of jewelry. Blood pumps and needles are also used, but biting is seldom employed by either Bloodists or fetishists. Most often these arrangements are consensual, but very dangerous. Such practices can lead to infections and transmitted illnesses of the blood. There are many things just as bad as AIDS which can be carried in the blood of an infected person. Illnesses that lay dormant, then strike a few months or years from now ... all just as serious and many just as deadly. And all of which can be passed on by you ... if you contract them without knowing it.

The safest thing is to not take part in this pretend vampirism, but if you must, then be sure you and your blood partners have valid lab tests before you proceed. Go with that person so you can be sure it is their actual blood and urine samples that are given to the lab.


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If you are going to be so ignorant and primitive to use a razor or needle, be sure it is sterilized with heat and alcohol before and after every usage. Do not share used needles and do not use a razor that is not completely sterilized each and every time.
But the best way to stay safe is to keep away. Don't even begin.
You are human ... and so are they. Humans can die.





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Ok just so i dont get bitched out for Claiming or taking credit for this post i did the reasearch i was reading and i came acrossed this i am being asked alot by RPGers to share my blood or awaken them I wanted to inform people on What is fact and Fiction so i searched many sites i found this one http://www.geocities.com/vampiricstudies/
Found the artical and thought that it should be noticed I take no credit it isnt mine i just reasearched for some info.



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Very good, *claps*



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THANK YOU. I know this is strange to say or stranger to hear, but it is a credit to you to go ahead and put the site address on your post.

Not only does it help us follow your lead to read more about, and come back with great responses, but it is morally better to understand you respect the persons research.

I wish more people did that.

It's a pleasure to meet you



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what are you kidding. You always have to come accross people that think they are better then others. who cares about the reason why they want to do that. let people do what they want to do



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I'm liking points, now to complete the thought, how do you define vampires, rap it all up like "48 hours"

I like the term retro virus, not that I think it's correct in this sense but it sounds neat. I dare anyone to find cell a, b, and c that dictates whether your a vamp or not. It's a disease of the soul, essence, pranic energy, life force, whatever you want to call it. It's a deficiency that we need to fill, taken however we can. Whether you know it or not when you take from your donor you are taking life away from them, and if you take too much at once you could kill them. There immune systems will go critical, and start to fail them and they'll get sick and die. Humes have the ability to regenerate this energy so if you know what you’re doing then everyone will be fine. As for people cutting their donors, have you seen what it looks like when you bite someone enough to draw a decent amount of blood, not exactly the easiest thing to hide or patch up. Cutting instead of biting comes from pure courtesy of the willing donor, it may not be in the spirit of Barlow, Dracula, or Rayne lol but it's quick efficient and easy to clean up. Contrary to popular belief you cannot take blood then store it for later use, just doesn’t work, it loses the one property that we need and that's its charge of energy. Keep in mind I’m not an RPGer, I fear that humes playing a game could easily get caught up in something quite dangerous for them selves, either by their own or someone else’s ignorance or folly, and also that they might find them selves trapped by a vamp with ill intensions (original purpose of the game I believe, a “feed a vamp” charity blood program). But please go on I’m fascinated.

Oh BTW incase the Feds are looking; all my own material from personal experience. So I’ll be copyrighting it tonight if you want to repost that’ll be $10 US Dollars a word, and probably some flack from the admin about reposting something so soon.



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avalonsgargoyle
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Ok not my concern about yours being copyrighted or not i just didnt want to get credit for somthing i didnt write and i am so not paying you $10.00 USD a word



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sheesh joking, can't you tell the whole copyright thing is a theme now. people so serious these days. tisk tisk tisk.



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avalonsgargoyle
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I knew you were joking I just wanted to harass you mauh mauh mauh oh my is that sexual harassment better post a copyrighted link to the law on that



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cool, but hey is harass one word or two.

OoOoOoOO!

*covers mouth and runs away*



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avalonsgargoyle
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You are saying harass but really thinking
Her Ass do you have a copyright to that Her Ass because if not I'll get it



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YAY copyright to her ass.... ummm.. wait who's ass? This might not be such a good thing.



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avalonsgargoyle
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Who is her and dose she know her ass is copyrighted? and we are off the subject again to the post lets not get side tracked .



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Whoa!

Whoa!

Whoa!

Whoa!

Whoa!

Is my ass copyrighted and if so who owns the copyright?

okay now back on topic RPGers annoy just about everyone, unless there DnDers those guys are just fun.

Discus


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Wow guys... That's quite crazy... Hehehehe...



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this is good to know. Some humans can be sick bastards. Thank the gods I choose my food wisely



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avalonsgargoyle,

bravo, bravo!

At last. If only the kids (and as well adult ignorant maniacs) would read it and bear that in mind.



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avalonsgargoyle
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It just really gets on my nerves when i see kids and some adults Brag about blood letting and feeding as a sexual need and the fact that they dont take in to conceration that someone can die if cut to deep or infections or even AIDS people need to wake up



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Yes, I understand your annoyance but you won't change the fact that over 80% of our population are brainless ignorants...

But just think what would happen if they discovered the anti-AIDS vaccine - kids could just run around with razors and needles, cutting eachother and playing 'vampires and hunters' *lol*



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The Science of Vampires
Part I
In 1616, Italian scientist Ludovico Fatinelli published his Treatise on Vampires, in which he speculated that vampirism was caused by a microscopic pathogen. He was burned at the stake for heresy. Fortunately, science plowed ahead, undeterred. The information included in this section is the result of the work of countless dedicated men and women.

The Virus

HVV source:
the bat flea
Xenopsylla cheopsis

HVV carrier:
Vampire bat
The source of vampirism is the Human Vampiric Virus (HVV). Like Rabies, HVV belongs to the order Mononegavirales, viruses with a nonsegmented, negative-stranded RNA genome. Viruses in this group have a distinct bullet shape. The virus' natural host is a flea commonly found on cave-dwelling bats, especially the vampire bat. In the most common scenario, a bat which has been bitten by the flea passes the virus on to livestock and humans through a bite.
While in theory HVV infection is possible through any exchange of bodily fluids, transmission occurs through the bite of an infected person in virtually every case.




Stages of the Disease


Electron micrograph of HVV (left);
The virus budding off an infected cell (right)
Stage One: Infection. Within hours of being bitten, the victim develops a headache, fever, chills and other flu-like symptoms as the body tries to fight off the infection. These symptoms can be easily confused with more common viral infections, although the presence of bite marks on the body are usually enough to confirm the diagnosis. This stage generally lasts between six and twelve hours, during which the vaccine is 100 percent effective.




In 1800 France, an infected
woman is given a transfusion of
goat's blood, a desperate, futile
measure to ward off the disease
Stage Two: Vampiric Coma. Within 24 hours of being bitten, the victim will slip into a vampiric coma. During this phase, the pulse slows, breathing is shallow and the pupils are dilated. The large numbers of people mistakenly buried alive while in vampiric comas gave rise to the myth that vampires sleep in coffins. While it is commonly thought that anyone infected with HVV turns into a vampire, in fact only a small percentage of people survive vampiric comas. Generally, the young, the old and the feeble never come out of their vampiric comas and eventually die. The vast majority of people who survive vampiric comas are males between the ages of 18 to 35. Vampiric comas last about a day; the victim usually comes out of the coma the night after its onset. The vaccine is 50 percent effective when administered during Stage Two of the infection: the longer the victim has been in the coma, the less effective the vaccine.


During vampire epidemics,
many victims were buried while
still in a vampiric coma
Stage Three: Transformation. A bite victim who survives the coma will awaken fully transformed into a vampire. An acclimation period follows, characterized by confusion, despondency and paranoia. Most vampires begin to hunt within 24 hours of transformation. The vaccine is of no use at this point.


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The Science of Vampires - Part II
Vampire Biology
A person who comes out of a vampiric coma fully transformed will have undergone a number of major physiological changes affecting the various systems of the body. The information included below is only an overview; for a more detailed account, try two classic texts: Henry Gray's Anatomy of the Vampire and Vesalius' Five Books on the Structure of the Vampire Body.
Brain/Nervous System
A vampire's nervous system is similar to humans and has proven to be their "achilles heel." Injuries to the spinal cord and brain can devastating for vampires. While a vampire's spinal cord and nerves work as before transformation, a number of changes take place in the brain, and that altered brain chemistry goes a long way toward understanding vampire behavior.



Normal brain (left) shows serotonin activity;
vampire brain (right) shows none
serotonin: vampires have much lower levels of this neurotransmitter. In humans, low levels of serotonin trigger aggression and risky behavior. A study of murderers on death row revealed low levels of serotonin in their brains.

dopamine: another neurotransmitter, dopamine induces feelings of well-being. In vampires, it is released during feeding and has a narcotic-like effect. Neural pathways activated in vampires during feeding are much like those found in addicts when using drugs.

circadian rhythms chemical changes in the brain that help us "rise and shine" with the morning light are reversed in vampires.

Sense Organs
Powerful sense organs gave vampires an advantage both in hunting and eluding capture. Sneaking up on them virtually impossible, as they are aware of your presence long before you are aware of theirs.


Normal eye (left); Vampire eye (right)
sight: in vampires, the iris in each eye becomes hyperdilated, giving them what appear to be black eyes. While this iris dilation gives vampires excellent night vision, it renders them effectively blind in daylight. In addition, vampires suffer inflammation of the sclera, making the whites of their eyes appear red.

smell/hearing: both senses are extremely acute, as vampires have double the receptor cells in their noses and ears compared to humans. In fact, vampires usually smell or hear a person coming long before they see one.


Hair, skin, teeth, fingernails
Part of the terror of encountering a vampire stems from dramatic changes to their outer appearance. Some of these changes are functional, while others remain a mystery.


The upper (l) and lower (r) eyeteeth
experience rapid growth
Teeth: during vampiric coma, the upper and lower eyeteeth experience growth. Additional enamel is deposited on the crown of the tooth. Vampires will file the teeth to make them sharper for easier feeding.
Hair: vampires lose all their bodily hair within ten years of transformation (except for the tiny hairs in their ears, known as cilia).

Skin: a newly-transformed vampire has a sickly, pale yellow skin tone that turns to blue over the next few days. In time, the skin becomes more and more translucent, and a fine network of veins become visible under the skin.

Fingernails: vampire fingernails thicken and grow at a rapid rate. Vampires will file their nails to a point, which helps them in grabbing victims.
Circulatory System
The most profound differences between humans and vampires are found in the circulatory system. These differences enable vampires to survive massive trauma that would kill a human being.


Blood: vampire blood is called ichor (pr. ik-er). Modifications to hemoglobin in the blood cells makes vampire blood appear black.

the Heart: vampire blood is pumped via the contraction of skeletal muscle rather than the heart, which eventually atrophies from disuse.

adrenaline: this "emergency hormone," which normally kicks in during "fight or flight" situations, is found in consistently large amounts in vampire blood. The presence of adrenaline, along with changes in muscle, bone and connective tissue, account for vampire's extraordinary strength, speed and aggressiveness.


Seen through night vision,
a vampire attacks its prey
Body Temperature
A vampire's core body temperature is only about 60 degrees, compared to over 98 degrees for humans. This marked difference proved to be a great help for modern vampire fighters, as it made vampires easily distinguishable from humans when viewed through heat-sensitive infrared imagery (note the difference between the vampire and human in the picture at right).
Muscular/Skeletal System
Adaptations in their skeletal and muscular systems give vampires significant advantages over humans.


Muscles/Connective Tissue: about 90% of vampire muscles are of the fast-twitch variety (compared to 50% for the average human). Fast-twitch muscles enable short bursts of maximal force, ideal when hunting prey. Also, vampire ligaments and tendons thicken in response to the workload imposed upon them by the muscles.
Skeletal system: vampire bones thicken, an adaptation necessary to support their newly-powerful muscles.

Aging and Life Expectancy
While no vampire on record has ever died of natural causes, vampires do undergo an aging process, just not in the same way as humans. Vampires do not age on a molecular/genetic level, but their life of hunting and eluding capture creates tremendous wear and tear in the form of injuries to bones and tissue.


A 125-year old vampire
photographed in Spain, 1901
Note the curved spine and
lack of hair
Because they presented such a danger to society, most vampires were destroyed long before the outer limits of their life span were determined. Ancient history offers some clues, however. In Ancient China, there was said to be one vampire in the emperor's court through the entire (eastern) Zhou Dynasty, which would put his age at 550. More accurate modern records have certified vampires of over 200 years old.

Contrary to the opinions of many theologians, vampiric longevity is not the result of some pact with the devil, but rather an ability to ward off the DNA damage that occurs during cell division in normal humans. Specifically, the protective caps on the ends of chromosomes known as telomers get chewed up over time in humans, but not in vampires.

Though their DNA may have the ability to resist aging, a vampire's appearance will change dramatically over time. Vampires lose all of their hair within 10 years of transformation. Over time, a vampire's fat stores shrink away and its skin becomes thinner and more transparent, giving it a withered, dried appearance. Aging also leaves vampires with a pronounced curvature of the spine.

Despite their rather feeble appearance, older vampires are still extremely powerful and agile. Many a vampire hunter has made the mistake of underestimating them.

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Yay!

Reference quotes!

Now we just need to teach people how to hyperlink and I will be in heaven... or hell, depending on my mood.

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Now I'm only waiting for someone to scan the whole Vampyre Encyclopaedia and post it as an jpeg :-/



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Ambrosius, do you want to be the one who instructs;)?



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Very interesting read LordOfNoctemAeternus. I love anything like that....genetic and scientific.



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got it from some site i was given from a sister from here



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Very good though.



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"Vampire Medical Condition"
Just to clarify, are you refering to Porphyria or another possible disease?

As far as the rant about AIDS/ HIV among other diseases, WELL DUH!
I say call yourself whatever you want, Vampire, bloodist, ect. Believe whatever you want. No, I don't practice bloodletting, I drain energy (Psy-vamp). A little safer in this day and age.
If your gonna practice bloodletting, get tested and be safe about it.
NO SHIT IT'S DANGEROUS!
But so is driving, skydiving, drinking, smoking, ect. Do I need to say more?

And in closing, Just cause you read someone's opinion in a book, or on the internet doesn't make it true. But if you are gonna do that anyways, I reccomend Katherine Ramsland's "Science of Vampires" or "Piercing the Darkness, Vampires in america today". 2 great books, she does the research in a non-judgemental way and lets the reader come to their own conclusions.
There, Rant finished.



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this does come back to a point I have been making on this site for over a year now.....
you can't say this person is or is not a vampire.....as your definition may not be the same as theirs....
and if you spew dictionary terms at me i'll vomit....
dictionary terminology is not the be all end all of linguistics
especially in the english language
as we change meanings all the time....
and add neew words just as frequently
so aybe by YOUR definition these are not vamps....
but who says we all follow your definition?



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I was diagnosed with Haemodipsia.

Technically, that is the "vampire disease"

But if someone claims to be five thousand years old (not including past lives and such) they're plain crazy.



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AvalonsGargoyle and SirSpydyOne, not I dont plan to "bitch" about you for using work... I only started the thread in regards to people who are actually stupid enough to CLAIM its theirs.

The fact that you can take the piss out of a subject and not have an opinion relly shows us your intelligence.



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Echo
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Secondly, I agree with Deaermons point, as I tend to say many times, its all on perspective..... I dont understand why the owrd is so important toy ou all, its a bit childish really.

Anvaelelye, yes there are a lot of idiots around... However, that doesn't mean that every person who participates in blood letting etc thinks they have a physical ABSOLUTE NEED FOR IT, and some of us have the intelligence to be safe about it.



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I know some are safe i was just posting this for those who constantly ask people on this site and for those posteing to be donnors this is all good information and to take in to conceration the sorce of the information.



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that's true.



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