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I posted this thread the middle of last year and it got some good responses. So I'm re-posting it to see other people's opinions on this subject again.

The following is a passage taken from this article of the Fortean times referring to Count de Saint-Germain.

''The 18th century abounded in romantic riddles – the Man in the Iron Mask, Cagliostro, the Lost Dauphin… but there’s something uniquely engaging about the Count of St-Germain, who stepped from nowhere with no past and no name to dazzle the French court. He pops up from time to time across Europe, only to vanish, leaving extravagant rumours in his wake: he was immortal; owned the elixir of life; was a Rosicrucian; a spy; an incognito king. I have no urge to burst this bubble. I couldn’t if I tried; the many mysteries about the Count will never be solved. It is possible, though, to winnow some fictions from the facts, and trace their development. The legend has had a life of its own, and it’s quite a story.''


And the following article was taken from Paranormal.about.com.

''Is it possible that a man can achieve immortality - to live forever? That is the startling claim of a historical figure known as Count de Saint-Germain. Records date his birth to the late 1600s, although some believe that his longevity reaches back to the time of Christ. He has appeared many times throughout history - even as recently as the 1970s - always appearing to be about 45 years old. He was known by many of the most famous figures of European history, including Casanova, Madame de Pampadour, Voltaire, King Louis XV, Catherine the Great, Anton Mesmer and others.

Who was this mysterious man? Are the stories of his immortality mere legend and folklore? Or is it possible that he really did discover the secret of defeating death?''


It's said Count de Saint-Germain discovered the secrets behind immortality.

I'd recommend reading The Comte de St. Germain which is the first biography of St. Germain written by Isabel Cooper-Oakley.

As well as The Most Holy Trinosophia which was written by Comte de Saint-Germain [translator Manly Palmer Hall].

Both links lead to the books which you can read online.

The questions I'm asking are:

Do you believe this man [if he existed] truly discovered that secret?

What do you think about the claims and sightings of Saint-Germain over the years? Are they real, or are they just people who had tried to gain fame?

If yes to the first question, do you think he still lives among us?

What are your beliefs on this?

Though I did give much insight on last years thread, I would like to add that; yes, the compte de St. Germain is as much alive as you and I. He has been living in the Himalayan region for the last half Century or so. No, there is no proof of this or valid documentation, so you may take my words with a grain of salt.

The origins of the Count is that he was Tiberius, the Roman soldier that was by Jesus's side during his final trials. Jesus was claimed to have cursed Tiberius with eternal life.

Another origin was that the Count was infact the legendary Cain of myth of whom killed his brother Abel and as such for that cruel act, the Hebrew "god" cursed him with eternal life.

Yet another origin of the Count was about the beggar who gave Jesus his last cup of water after Jesus had dropped the cross on the road to the temple mount...Thus was where Tiberius kicked the water out of Jesus's hands...Beggar or Soldier, they were both allegedly blessed and cursed to be by Jesus's side as promised.

Now, this is the interesting part in my view...

Opinions are perspectives based on knowledge pertained through a lifetime of research and in my case this is no differant.

The Count, being as the rumoured immortal; carries on a virtual life of humble and virtueous deeds. Many individuals try to justify immortality with a "loners" perspective and most always talk about the life of an "immortal" is a shallow existance over time...I deny these facts as just fear of death itself.

The Count proves that even immortality has its qualities. By helping others, he has helped himself in extravagant ways. He is well known throughout the world as being the nicest individual to ever come across. The most intelligent individual alive. The man of many talents. This goes to show that he has used the gift of immortality to his advantage. To study various genres around the world and to get himself aquanted with the masses of society for the benefit of not himself, but for the future of humankind.

I honour the Count as well as greatly respect him, for his achievements as well as personal character. Society could take the Count as an example of what the golden law applies to seven fold.

Isn't this the same as the vampire Jaque, of New Orleans?

The two are proportedly the same individual, but this is still pure speculation. Just as all the frontline myths about Germain being in areas around the world at differant eras remain to be validated by records of those time periods.

I have to read more on this, but so far in my opinion that the man in the mask persay was different individuals trying to pull thewool over the countries eyes and keep the myth of the individual in tack.

Even heard reports,( I shall check for them) that Vlad the impalers generations after him were to be Vlad himself impersanating his Kids. Speculation.

~Soulshroud~ With your previous post mostly based in speculation you are affirming that there is such thing as a immortal individual, to say 'vampire' that have been through many times and places?

Like I said ~Revenous~, pure speculation...It has not been proven that Jaques St. Germain was ever vampire...Nor has it been confirmed that he had relations with the Carter brothers either.

Whether or not Jaques St. Germain was either an ancestor of any part of the St. Germain bloodline, or the Compte himself...As I stated previously, has not been proven by either the proper paperwork, worldly records etc. Thus it remains to be seen.

i wonder if we lost something from times long ago that the possible count de saint germain still has. for there are still many things that the modern world has yet to discover about the brain and many of the other things related to the human body. i guess maybe he could have been maybe a missing link in the evolution of mankind.

As the Count was an impressive Alchemist, his feats are very well known. Whether he aquired an elixir that post poned or otherwise paused life is unknown, but not entirely untrue.

The evolutional theory that has been brought up is a very good assumption, but where would the basis lay? Immortality being our next level of existance? Or extreme old age without the aging process? This would be apparent from a certain individual that was seen on the television series: Ripley's Believe It or Not. This individual is 30 years of age, but looks not a day older than 10. Something along those lines.

Be as it may, the Count was said to have perfected a strange something or another that claimed to have had effects on the aging process. It was also said that he gave this strange substance to Madame Pompador(sp).

Alchemy is one of the finer forms of mixing science with magic(k)'s. But, it is the magic(k)'s of the individual as a conduit of the Universal energies that would make it possible. As we still have yet to understand the true capabilities of these precious works, it would be unlikely that anyone within our lifetime would be good enough, and or responsible enough to maintain character when and or if this substance was perfected.

The Count could very well be that one out of a billion individuals that may have perfected something like this. Intelligent individuals have been noted throughout time as well as the founders and builders of Atlantis were such individuals.

He was in Mexico soon after the Spaniards settled there, enjoyed some adventures, in all a very interesting individual.