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what are your thoughts on "real" vampyre houses and how they affect the vampyre community

do you believe they are most beneficial in helping to keep the modern day vampyre alive and on the right track so to speak or do you feel they are detrimental to the vampyre community

either way you answer please explain why you feel this way?

and what made you come to this conclusion?

I can't say for cerain because I haven't seen one yet in person, but I've met people that have been in one and heard of how it was run. From what I've heard I beleive they work well for helping us live our lives to the fullest. Even though I've never seen the house I've still been helped by it and would be scared and alone with little idea what I was going through if it weren't for the help I recieved. So although it can be beneficial to live life on your own, houses definately help those who need it. And one day I hope to join one.

Such a fragile thread. I will try to keep this as civil as possible since I have been doing a bit of research in this area as well as am proprietor for a House of my own.

While Houses could be considered beneficial for the community in the long run, at times there are certain Houses that would draw attention to themselves when they think they are being beneficial when in fact, they would be slandering others for the sake of their own gain and purpose. This has happened time and time again.

Though those who would slander for personal benefit, this does not always come to good fortune for the future of their House. They would be shunned or have others speak poorly behind their back and thus have no respect by other Houses. Unfortunately, since this has happened in the past, it shows that it can also happen at present and in the future.

Most Houses, depending on how they are brought up (reasons and all that), are very beneficial to the community. Some are watchers that make sure nothing is out of place within their community, others are arbitrators for their community. While others still seem to know the authoritive role very well, but do take advantage of this role nonetheless... Which in turn creates a hazardous environment for all involved (again, which is where slander comes into play).

If you respect your community, its leaders as well as the younger prospects, you may get somewhere... Depending on what you think there is to gain by becoming a community leader.

Personally, a couple of Houses I think are shams and abuse their "privilages", but this is just the experiences that I have had in the thick of it all. Just as long as House authorities do not take their role(s) overly seriously, then they could be looked at as good influences for the rest of their community. Unfortunately again, for some.. This is simply just not the case.

Just be careful as to where you are within the community and or the House you choose to reside in. Some are very full of their own drama and will not hesitate in bringing you into it. Just a piece of advice.

True enough. I myself ended up rather close (not in a friendly way) to a one group that, although wasn't a house, were abusing there power and the fact that a lot of young girls in the area loved the idea of being with a vampire.

I feel that Houses can be both beneficial and detrimental for the Vampyre Community as a whole.

I think they can be beneficial for obvious reasons. If they do what they claim to do. Keep order and peace, then of course that's a benefit.

I also think they can be detrimental since they don't get a chance to reach all vampyres leaving many to fend for themselves which can lead to unfortunate events.

good thread bro, as S.S. said. but there are those who claim to be things they are not, and those who try and protect those who have done wrong, I think if the real household got together the community would be better off in stead of people saying oh there is to much drama or staying in the shadow they should help end the drama, by enforcing the laws, I think things will grow and become a real community, as we claim it to be.
Household help those who feel alone understand who and what they are.
I also think it is time that all household got together and made a list of all true households so we know who the pretenders are. as well as work on a code of conduct that all
of the community can agree upon and have them enforced..

I have been talking to some elders in the real community on making this happen.

Ryu Noctem Aeternus.
childe of Lord Father Vincent Orion and Mother Lady Saige Orion of the original Clan Sabreooth.
Keeper of the Veil and Co-Founder of the court of the Order of the Vampyre and the Halo of Septem Civis.

That would definately help keep order and reduce incidents like what I've witnessed

I believe households are beneficial in that they help give a structured learning environment, not saying solitary studying isnt just as beneficial and necessary but for some we need to see teachings actually working with others and older members.

Group ritual is also a reason i've joined a house, solitary ritual is nice but i find group energy to be more powerful in the occultic side of things.

Protection is another benefit where there are nut jobs out there trying to do harm.. KKK, conservative christian fanatics to name a few.

As far as protection goes... Protection from what? This is where the fine line between roleplay and random acts of voilence tend to cross paths. It is unfortunate that a certain few within the community do cause a bit of drama that could resort to the "random acts of voilence" if instigated properly. But this is the way it has always been. There is never any peace without a bit of drama mongering by those few within the community. Again, unfortunately, it would be due to roleplay dramatics that would cause a downfall within the community and thus as stated, community leadership is not exactly what it seems.

Not to exaggerate anything that is going on within the community at the present time, since the community is a very wide prospect, this does not mean that surrounding environments do not add to any sorts of dramas within the community. Common sense would tell the individual that if they know more then a fair share of individuals and keep the "grape vine" open so to speak, communications where drama plays its role would come into play. Thus causing strife where none should be entered. Thus slandering certain names and Houses that would be unnessessarily called for, just for the sake of making other Houses look good for their own purposes and or cause, what ever they may be.

This would be a demonstration of detrimental properties were there any to exhibit.

Now, on the other hand... If any House(s) were to try and help individuals within the community that were claimed as "bad apples" so to speak, it would help to know all sides of the story rather then to act before knowing all sides and thus causing more strife where none is needed. Just explain the purpose as to why the help is either requested and or needed to begin with for the benefit of all parties involved, so no further disputes and or drama will continue.

Now as far as authority figures are concerned, this is where I will remain civil and not try to nitpick since it would be too damned easy. So I will keep this subtle.

Absolutely no individual has authority over any other, this includes Houses, Covens, and or Halo's. As there is a very thin line here between roleplay and reality, if any individual does think they have power and or authority over any other and does threaten within a real world scenerio, then the contact of appropriate real world authorities IE local law enforcement would be nessessary if the threats did continue. This again would be a detrimental side of the community.

Certain locales would take it upon themselves to end it by "any means nessessary" when provoked and thus the community as a whole would not be taken seriously. But more or less displayed as a joke to the world that surrounds them, since no civility could exist within a hazardous environment. This has happened time and time again. The blame game is a huge issue as well and does add to the detrimental mentality that is the other half of the community.

(Note: No jabs, nitpicking, or blame games should be taken from this post, as it is an opinion based on past experience(s) by certain members within the community. This being said, no offense should be taken by this post or instigations herein as no names have been mentioned.)

Vampyre Houses are no different than religious affiliations, associations, or organize groups that serve the purpose of the views of different groups of individuals. The Vampyre House's are necessary for the promotion of views of the groups that they serve.

as clong as they dont sell out to the hollywood scence

its hard to say

i know a few people who were in a house and there seemed to be more drama in it then anything . i am not saying this is in every house or coven this is my personal opion

i have know a few witches who were in a coven they were real tight nit and not full of drama, they worked there spells, talked helped each other and grew


thasts how i think a vampire house should be because if you cant have some one who is there for you and you can work with you have nothing

I think having houses and havens even coven you run into the politics game. They are great if they can stay neutreual like a club atmosphere. But as soon as you get into line and govenrning boadies never a good thing. I would love to see havens in major cities for networking and donor introductions.

Boy, am I glad someone brought this up.
Although I'm not a part of one yet, I'd have to say that they're generally a good thing to have around. Yes, there will be the occasional "House" that abuses its power, but for the most part, they seem to be fantastic for emotional support, networking, learning, and protection from various vamp-hating wackadoos.
I FULLY agree that a full list of Houses needs to be made. It's already pretty difficult to find a full compilation of Houses on the 'net, especially ones that aren't particularly aligned with Sabretooth- perhaps simply because Clan Sabretooth it's the most dominant of Households. Not to say anything bad about it, of course- it would just make everyones' lives easier if everything were more obviously catalogued, minor Houses included. It'd help to filter out the abusive Houses, as well.

I'm somewhat inclined to start a website of my own simply to get together a clear database of Houses, based on geographic location. It'd only cost me 10 bucks for a domain name, since I already have hosting with two different companies, and with a web design background, this would be easy as pie.

id like to see this site when its complete

Vampyre Houses for the commuinity are just like Cult, they represent an organization which contain many secrets that for the normal community member, they can't understand. Those houses always end in the scope of the local authorities. The best way to have a house, is to keep it underground, Secret and away from normal human.

I believe houses are always a help to the community... Well, real ones that is. Either way, the vampyre ALWAYS has the choice to join or be ronin. It is in no house's favor to bring down society. If it is, then you know they are not true to the community or themselves.