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Considering past discussion regarding the "proof" to be noted behind the electricl system of the human mind...whether you call it heightened awareness...psychic events...ESP....Mediumship...or Men Who Stare at Goats...check this out.

This headset is basically an "amplifier" to brain wave activity already present and active with the thinking mind, thus in researching the variables in human brain structure...the differences and the similiarities, I've often felt that our perspectives are dependent upon how each individual is "wired."

Considering the science behind neuro-technology that is being heavily used in the gaming industry, how do you thing this technology may develop in the future? What possiblities do you see occurring in our day to day lives with the advent of an amplifying EEG headset in every household?




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great, a ticket for people to be completely physically lazy..
I'll just think my dish washer to wash, breakfast to cook.. but wait, someone still needs to load the dishwasher.. now if only "the force" was real



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As an additional thought...in consideration to the ramifications of this neuro-technology...psychic ability (the active use of accessing one's own brain waves and levels of consciousness) is already becoming a realized commodity in actual usage..for no more than the price of a gaming system.

Do you think opinion will change regarding the innate power of the mind and it's technical applications or will it be taken for granted as just another gizmo in our pockets...like 4G networks..and headsets we use on a daily basis to open the doors to our world without touching the handle?



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Other then that pretty spiffy, but it does not account for PSI being actual, it is EEG based, and requires contacting electrodes, "PSI" would have to be device free.



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Device-based or not Dabs...you are still accessing brain waves and the electricity of your neurological access panel...essentially the point I wish to make here is that for all the debate on psychic ability...whether it is real or not..applicable or not...this device..and yes..it is EEG-based...how else are brain waves charted and scientifically/medically specified..? What IS the power of the mind?...if not brain waves and accessibility of different levels of consciousness? Think about it...parapalegics are already using this device to control their wheelchairs and access their environments with their "thoughts."

The device does not replace the human capacity to think..it enhances what is already there...it's just that for some folks, the ability to access it and use it will no longer be a selling point for a "chosen few" who proclaim they can "speak to the dead"....this will be a neuro-tech advancement that enables "anyone" to use and access the power of their own minds to affect their personal environment.



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right not PSI energy, electricity that is a pulse in the brain. PSI is the idea that other energy exist, energy that doesn't need connect to be "measured", nothing is being projected in this neuro-tech.



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This device does not "measure" your brain waves, it identifies them...it allows you to access them using the EEG technology and by "focusing" your thoughts...which are brain wave patterns...these patterns or thoughts are then recognized and interpretted as "thought-commands," thus using your own energy to interface with another electronic device.

The definition of psychic/psi is having the ability to use the mind or psyche (human soul/intellect) beyond natural or known physcial processes. This includes such topics as telepathy, ESP, telekinesis, and many other psychic phenomenon.

Speaking to a dead entity or ghost, which is believed to be a form of energy is nothing more than psychic interfacing, would it not? Using one's personal energy to access, detect, or communicate with other energies not percieved with the physical senses...also known as spiritualism.

The definition of Interface: A plane forming the common boundary between two parts of matter or space. A point or means of interaction between two systems, disciplines, groups, etc. A point or means of interaction between two or more systems, components of a computer system, or the system and the user.

Except in this case....groundbreaking science that this is, the user is no longer outside the box or computer but linked as a direct component of the system through the psyche. It's not just brain-waves measured by an EEG system, but the specific patterns our brain waves make in processing words, emotions, intentions, and focused commands.

As I asked at the beginning of this thread, what applications or curves to our future do you "think" neuro-tech is taking us?...this goes way beyond just another "gaming gizmo."



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It just seems PSI proponents are always bad mouthing science, yet when science uses something that is common knowledge (EEG) that the PSI community gets all piggy back happy. As if just the process of using brain pulses makes Every psychic proponent claim valid, Welll the force is not gonna happen, which is the extreme of PSI, but this is not a PSI advancement is it? It is science, why hasn't the PSI community broke this ground.. Hmmm Maybe because they are all about performing to astonish rather then any applicable practical matters. So what is being harnessed is
not what most PSI believers think.



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I don't believe that everybody that proclaims to be Psi does it for astonishment factors. I don't have this thing in my head that everybody that has particular capabiliites or mental doors opened as being those whom have some "dark agenda" behind them.

I don't use the term Psi as "bragging rights" or to manipulate others. Also I am not a person who is against a realistic or scientific explanation to better understand the mind and what triggers the abilities that we've gained.

To put such an assumption to those who ARE psi as nothing but individuals trying to con the masses is a bit harsh i think and it's almost like constantly preaching to those here that are more spiritualist, doesn't have any good intentions or anything to ADD to society.

Every individual is unique in some form and it's apparent why most wouldn't speak up about it for reasons that maybe they don't want to hear the personal attacks or being ridiculed for what they possess. That's not being helpful at all.

So then i have to ask, what does someone of a scientific mind or more "realist" mind have to add, if one only sees the spiritualist as nothing but a con?

You gain nothing. Neither one gains anything.

To say that a spiritualist isn't open to the scientist, is false. I see them working together all the time through such instruments as posted above and i believe there is an article on yahoo about the use of a small electrical charge to the brain to better our math skills....

I've seen these games before in Toy advertisements such as Toys-R-Us and I believe that if they mastered this much, only more can come out of it in the future, if not already.



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Quite frankly Dabs...I don't give a hoot-owl's rat's butt what the so-called "majority" of the "psi community" believes regarding their psychic applications vs the science that explores it.

It seems always to strike out an obvious backhand to try slam-dunking even a scientific approach to the electrical motherboard of the human mind and its broader applications beyond the psi soapbox of peddling palm readings for a fee.

If you did indeed read anything on such "well-known" applications of EEG technology or how it applies to the psyche's engineering, then please enlighten the rest of us as to how science does not apply to researching the power of the mind?

What? Are we supposed to find grounds of unburdening proof by expressing our "impressions" and "feelings" only?...or would it be such a preposterous ideal to think that those of us who are seriously interested in the mechanics behind the phenomenon are willing to actually discuss the correlations that this science presents?...I seriously don't get you Dabs...really...you come off completely biased and close-minded to the issue presented just because it involves the use of the human mind on a broader range than detecting a "pulse."

If you have anything further to add, be sure it's a decently thorough opinion and not an assumption based on your own prejudice (whatever they might be) before reading half-way through the material presented as just another coat-tail for psi proponents to grasp on to.



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ya know what?....nevermind Dabs...I can't expect you to "read my mind" and follow what I was trying to get at here on this particular conversation.

I apologize if I'm out of sorts on my response here...it's been rough week and I'm taking it out on you.

Thanks for posting anyways.



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Having taken a day away from this scapegrace of cynical stereotyping, here's my take on this particular new gadget on the scene. There are a lot of good things coming about with this besides obvious applications in gaming circles.

One such application that was previously glossed over, was the importance of neuro-tech applications for the handicapped. However, that is only a part of the jumping board for this hi-tech advancement.

As for the interfacing circuit completed between one electrical system to another (the human user), it is the way in which this headset "works" I find intriguing and interesting as it has many correlations to using our own thought processes to directly affect not just the virtual environment upon a screen, but also the physical environment as a parapalegic has the ability to control the movement of a wheelchair, turning electrical appliances on and off..such as lights, tv, radio, or pehaps even an application to electronically answer their phone...being unable to speak, could do so by "thinking" the words they wish to say and engage in an actual conversation that perhaps were unable to do so before.

There has been software available for some time that enables users to access writing programs and all forms of communications without the need for a keyboard...say such as one who has difficulty in using one because of advanced neuropathy. However, with this headset, the user is able to access communications by "thinking" what he/she needs to apply.

As for the future wave of such technologies that are enhancing the human psyche and/or psi phenomenon of our natural neurological energy...perhaps the mention of a movie for reference to ideas would be better grasped?...Anyone ever watch the Minority Report?



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I will validate the potential for such technology, definitely a sci-fi-ish horizon project. I remember not long ago omni magazine had a thing on Infusing nerves with chips, and the gateway tech to do that. Plenty of tech develops from either Military funding, or game tech/entertainment.



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for clarity I meant bridging the gap between sci-fi, and active tech.



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Exactly...and thank you. The sky is the limit it seems with neuro-tech...as for the correlation I was trying to make earlier in this thread, it would seem with these advancements, the possibilities of "psychic advancements" (even those amplified by future "upgraded" gizmos developed from the blueprint of this one) becoming more "common-place" in society and eventually taken for granted as most tech is nowadays. The aspect of science-fiction made reality is a time-worn tradition since the advent of the written word.



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I am going to remain of the fence on the PSI angle. I am defined in my case against the industry/community.

But remember this is a Sci-fi site as well.



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I don't mind the whole thing with amplifying brain waves but whenever people talk about making something this invasive i am worried of the possible subliminal messaging that could go on, if i can send my waves out why can't someone else send theirs in.



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Thus far, this gizmo reads your brainwaves and utilizes them as an interface but subliminal messages hit us all the time...the whole while you watch the tv, listen to your favorite music, or even reading articles on the internet...there's images, pixelled information being chiseled away at you on a microscopic level.

It's been the driving force behind marketing supporting neuro-technologies and other neurological studies in order to anticipate the consumer and thus herding them to buy their product..or as recently illustrated..vote for the next president...anyone else running for the spot have as many internet ads? I think not...and who was the driving force behind the election?....College-aged public...sitting behind their computers.

Two things that strike me ironic on this thing...1...how many people can actually hold a focused thought for longer than 2 seconds besides the Dali Lama? ...and 2...how sane are the intentions of those who can? Again...the Minority Report comes to mind...it plays upon some of the same moral foreground if such a device were advanced upon and then used to create the perfect Matrix...science fiction or a possible reality? ;)



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there is a difference between subliminal messages and mind control



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umm... get the stock?
that seems like the sort of thing that'll either get really famous REAL quick, or cause cancer REAL quick (prolly both)
It's a gamble but if you time it right..



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yes but with things like this it may not be publicly traded until after they know one way or the other



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This is dangerous ground ;The Brain-the most complex matter ever discovered
1.They assume nobody else has an interest in the random thoughts of mankind.
2.That they do not care who else is involved.
3.That those that helped create this/your reality will put up with your new technology.

For instance...A troop of smelly monkeys learn how to make fire using a box of matches a careless Being left behind. They become all powerful monkeys and throw fire sticks...the hidden Beings (in Hides, in the Trees) laugh at the silly monkeys setting each other on fire.
Then the monkeys set fire to Beings hides and steal their mind gadgets so they can control all the rival troops.
After decades of monkey evolution they have developed TV's tanks airplanes...The Beings are not amused and call in Meteor strikes to re-set their game.



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thats a lot of monkeys



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Accessing our frequancies is a natural concept and one that has been known of for centuries by our eastern ancestors. Accessing or awakening our third eye chakra is as easy as throwing on some binarual beats in deep meditation. There's no need for technology to do this for us. The hardest part is not being distracted.



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i think we're crossing the threshold with this.
Looks like we took evolution into our own hands eh



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So it seems. The evolution is one that happens very naturally. From within and external.

Although I think by doing this it's putting doubt in our own blueprint



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nah. It's just a matter of time before everything is computerized and connected to one of those things, or something more advanced.



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I hope to not be here when that occurs.



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Started off with a few hundred now there's billions of the smelly buggers, yellow ones, big ones , small ones, emo ones...They used to be popular but hey you know what?
Its like playing Packman over and over...
Time to load Resident Evil, Global edition.



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:P omg...too funny AN...*major chuckle....:P (too many monkeys jumping on the bed)

Huge difference between subliminal message (which is suggestion) and mind control? Do tell...as I've read upon the topic...suggestion is the first step to cognitive brain-washing.

I think you might be right though, Cabrion...look at everyone now already..I can't pass anyone in Wal-mart who doesn't seem to be talking to themselves to only find out it's a hands-free cellphone stuck in their ear...before long...hrmmm..who knows..headsets and thought-commands? oh..maybe it will be like a silent party where only those "connected" are in the know...;) lolz..random thought..but scary nonetheless...:P



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imagine one of those that also functions as a cell-phone, pda, online-shopping network, social network, gps, etc.
All while you're walking down the street.
That'd be funny though, i imagine a sort of Surrogate scenario.



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