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What is it about the human condition that engenders a desire to believe there is more than this Now, of this Moment?




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Perhaps that inherent engendering in Humankind, that deeper sense we possess that there is more than just... this mortal life... that is one of the stronger evidences of the fact that there is more.

Additionally, I have found that those who lose that deeper sense, truly lose it, tend to be those who do live only for today, whose choices... as a direct result... tend to be short-sighted, more focused on instant gratifications and desires. And, understandably, as a result their lives are less fulfilling, less successful and more prone to unhappiness and hopelessness. Again... almost as though life, itself, were inherently also attempting to teach us this fact and reinforce it throughout our lives.



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Upir...

"almost as though life, itself, were inherently also attempting to teach us this fact and reinforce it throughout our lives."

A curious choice of words!!
When you say "lives" what plural of the phrase do you refer to... A group of people or a single soul living via karma and reincarnation??



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I think it's an evolutionary response that coincided with the development of human consciousness. The human realization of death would have caused so much psychological damage that the mind had to invent an inborn defense mechanism of an afterlife
to compensate.



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I think people have just gotten used to the lives that they lead now that they don't think of anything else, as in is there something else out there for me... a different job, a different type of life that I would like to lead, a different anything.

I constintly think of the other out there, and have been thinking about it a lot more now that I'm a grandmother and feel like I have fallen into a rutt and do the same damn thing everyday.



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I think we are born with an awareness that there is something more. To live in the moment or be present in each moment is admirable. However you have to think about the next step for your being/soul/existence.

When Upir says 'lives' I think plural as in everyone because we all share the same consciousness and world.



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Fear of being alone?

when ever disaster and war strikes, church membership goes up...



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...if perhaps we were to stop and think how small we are, in reltionship to the rest, some of us may consider our own importance, in relation to...?

that something else...???



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No one person is insignificant because everything they do effects the world around them to some degree. A single being interacts with a world that each individual interacts with on some level, in some way. This makes us important the same way people think god is important.



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aye.. but remove a piece of an equation... there is often still 'an' answer.

meaning, if someone wasn't there... grant you there's be differences... but, that vacancy would be filled.



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In our arrogance, we cannot believe our energy (soul) cannot last for enternity.



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Is it arrogant to want out energy to exist for eternity??



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Moreover, it is our anticipation of the world that is so terribly bad, one would doubbly would wish for so much more.

Satan is the one who hangs with you when it gets too Much.
Anyone ever felt this?



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pits of despair is not 'Satan', to me.
a personal answer.

aye... 'eternity'.

well, I feel we're part of The One, which infers we are as eternal as IT is. Which is.. everything that is, Now, yesterday and... well, Eternal.



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There are multiple reasons behind this, now not getting into religion let's take a step back and look at what now is. If you are the average person now is a repeat of then(yesterday, last week, last month, last year) but that would be depressing so we instead either look to what can be right now or what has yet to come. The other side of the same coin especially looking at what has yet to come is the unknown. The unknowingly/dark is a fear of all living things so we do what we can to shine a light. All religions whether new(scientology being from this century, Christianity being no more then 2000 years old) or ancient is used to either explain many and all unknowns or used to do away with the biggest and scariest of unknowns, death. Now whether they are right or not is not for me to say, I am an observer not the a person who can answer on the unknown. Now on a side note a humorous side effect of religion is control. You think not so much anymore, but its more a not as directly. Just look at the presidential candidates, one is not wanted cause he practices an off religion to the norm. Even our current president(sorry for nonamericans, this is just an example that's easily veiwable atm) there was much fear that he was Muslim, not because he showed any Muslim beliefs but because his name. We are ingrained with the beliefs of our parents and before the internet and other medias that was usually the only real taught way, so we look from what's not current because of fear, safety, and upbringing.
Oh and a final note, this includes science, for with science we state there is no unknown just undiscovered



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I was going to write this post mentioning how easy it is to reach the Now moment but also mention it's not simple to do. I deleted it.

The Human condition that prevents the Now moment is the Ego. It's hardwired into the human being. It will do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to call attention to itself.

Understand what the Now moment is and you can figure the rest out. The rest is practice.



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Is it not, instead, the Ego that seeks its desires in the present rather than the future, that seeks satisfying its selfish drives ... Now ... rather than later?



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there are four quarters in the whole, the Ego is just one part; to find the Now one finds balance within the four, not by ignoring the ego. for without it, we are little.



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...and, whilst my Ego thinks one thing, my Id another, my fore-concsious is very aware of the Now.



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..what if there is nothing after this now...what if everything that the intellectuals teach us was wrong...well, the face of of many will be: Astonishing!!! A Kodak moment!!!!!



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i have found myself in deep disagreement with upir from time to time, but in this case i agree and think he has phrased it well.
in my own words, ill put it this way....atheists seem to have their beliefs as well....and i think it takes more "faith" not to believe than to believe.
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wolf, I'm not religious. my Faith is in something more tangible, this Now.

as for whether there is no 'tomorrow' as it were: it hardly matters, if one has learnt to live well, Now.



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I think this type of exploration is normal. I would think everyone wansts to search outside of their linear, and mundane existence. Nothing wrong with that, unless you use that exploration as a basis to commit something as fact, opposing others as fiction. This is where organised religions have failed greatly in this respect.



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in my opinion, religion, whichever... always promised a brighter tomorow, so people would look forward to something other than their Now.



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The more intelligent the species, the more developed the capacity to see beyond the Now.

The less able a species to think beyond the present, the "Now," the less likely that species will survive. The animal that thinks only of the morsel of food directly ahead, the "Now,"... yet doesn't think about the far-reaching questions of whether there might be predators about or considering other factors and variables of danger that might be present beyond the "Now" of getting the food... the exponentially higher likelihood that such an unintelligent animal won't be alive for long.

So also with us, too, even though we're at the top of the Food Chain. Whether we're talking something as innocuous as playing Chess or starting your own business or contemplating the mysteries of the Universe... all require greater and greater proficiency in thinking much further than just the "next move" ... beyond the circumstances and the desires of the "Now."


And as regards Religion... like Astrology, both are manmade mythological means of falsely interpreting far-greater Realities beyond the Here and Now... Realities that far predate either manmade mythology.

It was not Astrology that caused us to first look up and contemplate the vast unknown Reality beyond this planet. Instead, it was our intelligence and the fascination such evoked in us about the immensity and import of the Universe above that caused ancient Man to create Astrological mythologies to try to explain the purpose of the stars and planets.

So also, it was not Religion that preceded our ability to look beyond the here and now to the immensity of Time and our potentials beyond this life. Instead, it was our capacity to think beyond the Nowof this life that led us to create false mythologies to help us at least put some sort of explanation to that farther-reaching capacity.

Yet in both scenarios... the Universe upon which Astrology is based, despite the falsity of Astrology's premises and assumptions, is very much real and largely incomprehensible, just as the reality of the Eternal Nature of Life, is very real though even more largely incomprehensible despite the falsity of the man-made Religions attempting in vain to explain it.


- Upir'






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Some people are more prone to think of the after, not the here and now... people worry about what could/would/should happen in the future or what they can't control, because they want to be in complete control of their lives.



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let's get this spelt out.

there is only one thing we can control and, that's our lives and our own small universes... ie: the one we inhabit. the rest? well, worry as one might, it's out of tyour control.

so, just revel in the Now of the moment.



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Angelus, a great premise, but we here are on the cusp of something greater, something awesome..

Will mankind reach up beyond the bigots and haters and grasp the Galaxy, it is there, walk outside your backdoor and look up.

That, is our true reality, our minute importance.

Do we reach out and embrace it or moan about another country getting new technology?

Passion is King, you can have your nukes and missiles...but KNOW THIS...the moment you harm your fellow man we will turn your cities to Glass.

This Passion, not action is internationally accepted.



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Then permit me to spell it out ...

Surely even you, Angelus, with your shocking refusal to acknowledge that investing in and thinking about tomorrow is crucial to your very survival, must have at least learned that if you spend all your money on what you want "Now," you will have none tomorrow to pay for your needs and wants, then... now will you?


Thus, even you have learned (because Life, itself, universally teaches us all this basic principle) that some degree of patience, some degree of thinking about tomorrow and PLANNING And INVESTING for it rather than only living for today, is absolutely necessity for your survival.

Or shall you argue that you can spend every paycheck "Now"... and magically still have money left over -- Tomorrow?


As apparently the higher examples I used in prior posts were unsuccessful, I finally resorted to the lowest animal level to get this undeniable fact across: that even you must plan out your basic life resources into the future or else you will not survive. And this example of the need to both acknowledge and plan for the future... for beyond the "Now"... is irrefutable. You CANNOT simply live for Today, for "Now"... and expect to live Tomorrow. Well... that is unless you, like a child or a pet or a slave, live instead off the resources of others who DO plan for tomorrow (e.g., parents, the welfare state, the Dept of Corrections). And... not surprisingly... the majority of those who feel as you do tend to be those who do indeed live off of others in exactly these ways. Think about it. ;)


And ridiculously these same lazy selfish people are always the first to become jealous and resentful of those who DO think beyond tomorrow, who DO plan for success and then... as a result of investing the effort in planning for tomorrow... actually have the nerve to achieve it.

How DARE such farther-thinking people sacrifice the momentarily, fleeting pleasures of gratifying shallow "Now" wants and desires... and instead plan and work hard now, investing their "Nows" so as to ultimately achieve much longer-lasting, farther-reaching fulfillments, potentials and achievements... Tomorrow. How DARE they, indeed.


- Upir'



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Upir., you seem to be saying it is incumbent upon folks to plan ahead and invest?
I disagree, freedom from William Walllace and his descendants shows me this way of thinking stifles freedom.

As a free thinking entity, I reject this notion. Men may plan ahead or they may not. It's called FREEDOM!

Screw the big bucks society, good luck when it all goes tits up... I am guessing you will not fare so well when this occurs?



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Upir. I have seen pension plans scuppered by the rich and their theft of them, wiping out overnight their saving's. and, this from politicians who sit on the front bench, which one can call millionaires row. simply put, it does not pay to plan for a future, that someone else can take from you.

just one of many, many examples I can cite, for living in the Now Upir.



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I agree with Angelus. There is only one thing that we can control, and that is what we do Now.....the rest, whether we plan or not, IS out of our control. Appreciate what you have in the Now, because NOW is your life....and that is the only thing that is certain.

Forsak3n made an interesting point...the sense of an afterlife may just be a defense mechanism.....maybe that is the deeper sense that Upir is possessing.



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Investing in the future, whether through gaining education, saving money instead of spending it as soon as we have it, considering consequences before acting, and/or learning to "look before we leap" are foundational principles for a longer, more fulfilling and more rewarding life.

That was and remains my point. And it is valid, time worn and history proven... rare anecdotal exceptions notwithstanding.



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Living in the NOW doesn't mean squandering ones fortune today. Is it not possible to appreciate what we have in front of us......while also planning for tomorrow? Only someone that is shallow, or poor, would contribute living well with a monetary value.



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The problem is the Laws on the land have been twisted and perverted by a rotten few. 2 good examples...health care will be rejected even though 66% want it, the democratically elected want it, the president wants it, but because a few Judges have " sold their souls" it will not pass.
Secondly, the great property scandal. I recently represented a friend of mine who paid way too much for their home in 2008, the valuation was way out and the bank were complicit. I challenged them to prove their valuation was not reckless. Neither the valuer nor the Bank answered my letters and said sue us if you can.
The lawyers tell me it is not sufficient to prove negligence I must prove the valuer and agent took back handers.
This is non-sense, it any other case in law you only have to prove "beyond the balance of probabilities" i.e over a 50 % chance they were indeed negligent.
But the Court system is protecting the banks and valuers, in other words the Judges no longer represent the people as they should ! So, is it really worth saving when the big boys seem to have it all wrapped up?
I have also discovered 401K money is being illegally gambled on high risk bets, again, the attitude is..."you prove it" where as it should be...
We will look into that by getting court orders to reveal their bank accounts.
Yup, that'll be the day...



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I have been responding to the topic's original question and using common-place examples to illustrate such. No more and no less.



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rare anecdotal exceptions notwithstanding?
whoa...

thousands of people lost millions, through planning for a pension and, politicians thieving it...

Now THEY would hardly plan f't theft, would they/us?

Nope.

Yet, the end result is a poorer system...

and Now, people don't trust pension schemes.



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The Camelia is a beautiful delicate flower, with an exquisite light colour, with a short Life, that looks exquisite, for awhile. It lives for the Now.

Why can’t we be more like the Camelia?


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If one lives only for the "Now"...one is likely to be like the flower, indeed: with little brain and lifespan to match.



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The Orchid that blooms once in a Millenium is worth a thousand weeds born to servitude.



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Didn't know weeds were born in servitude. Whom do weeds serve, do you suppose?



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They serve "the Gin" and he laughs.



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Actually, yes, I did laugh. Very cute. :)


Flowers, plants and weeds aside, the point here is that there is far more to Life than just the "Now."


You mentioned William Wallace a few entries ago. Imagine how Scotland would have fared had he only lived for the "Now," never bothering to think of tomorrow and how he might improve upon it. And unlike so many of us, rather than sit around thinking only of what next to eat or what activity to next amuse himself, or what desire or passion to next indulge, instead and at the sacrifice of ALL his "todays," he strove and fought for his countrymen's "tomorrows." William Wallace, like ALL great men, had a vision of Tomorrow that they used their "Now" to ultimately achieve.

In Dr. Martin Luther King's memorable "I Have a Dream" speech, he prophetically declared that he might not make it to "the other side" of the mountain with his people, but his vision and his efforts and his sacrifice of his "todays" were what ultimately brought about the success of the Civil Rights Movement in the future. And there can be no doubt that he knew beforehand that his efforts toward that Tomorrow were likely going to come at the sacrifice of his Todays... and he was right. Yet, thanks to his depth of thought and vision, he made the right choice... and paid the ultimate sacrifice so as to obtain that Future Vision.

Every freedom fighter, every Humanitarian, every scientist, every inventor, every person of greatness has sacrificed their todays, their "Now," so as to ensure a better Tomorrow, a better Future... for the rest of us.

Thus... I again propose that one of the most telling Hallmarks of Greatness is thoughtfully pursuing Tomorrow rather than thoughtlessly and selfishly living only for Today.





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true. but like many, I do my voluntary work for those who need hel Now, as did may of the famous social reformers: who wanted a better Now, than they had for those living in squalor and deprivation...



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true. but like many, I do my voluntary work for those who NEED HELP Now, as did may of the famous social reformers: who wanted a better Now, than they had for those living in squalor and deprivation...


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You are both right.

Live with an appreciation and awareness of the now so that you can create a better future.



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Upir, I concede the point.
William Wallace was the walking dead, he did not care if he died since he felt an important part of him was already dead and that mindset made him a fearful foe.
I do see a brighter future, with alot less people. I think mother Earth is gradually getting her own back, the next 18 years is going to be awesome.



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Not sure why people are confusing the Now moment, or living in the now is selflessness or greedy. And yet, people believe preparing for the future instead is a good thing. It's backward thinking. And a trick played by the Ego.

Freud had three levels of conscience, Ego being one of them. Forget them. There is only one trickster here. Some call it "the inner child" and treat it as such. The ancient Hindu text call it "Maya" and can fool you with more hidden veils & illusions than you can count.

"The soul is willing but the flesh is weak." Singular.

We're all brainwashed into duality since birth.

Our brains are set to look for patterns when there is none.

We are doomed from the start.

No other species on Earth has what we have. None.

The power of the Now moment is just that - power! It gives you and enables you do do anything - now. The future people worry about begins - and can only begin in this moment. That's where the strength is. Not the past and certainly not the future. You should never worry about the future. Nor can you control it. This is another trick played by your inner child/Ego/Maya.

You can rationalize it all you wish. Justify it all you wish. But you are only fooling yourselves. Ego is playing you. It is what it does. It knows every trick in the book. It's a scared child that is afraid of not existing if you don't play attention to it or playing its game.

The Now moment gives power of your life in everything you do. It is not to be confused will the "Still-point" which brings peace of mind with meditation.

People run around like a chicken with out their heads. Worry and prepare about their future, or their families, or..fill in the blank. Because it doesn't really matter. It's a shame later on in their lives when they look back and wonder why they wasted it.

Life is an experience Now. Not later.





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Billy...chill. You're ranting again...all blustering pronouncements masquerading as facts yet offering none. No evidences, no reasoning in support of your statements...just emotional ranting. And such is exactly the result of living life simply pursuing whatever impulses strike...living solely in the Now: one never bothers learning to actually reason, to think.

Obviously, one needs to stop and smell the roses life has to offer, to enjoy life in the Now. However, as stated in the original topic post, what is being stated here is that Life is nothing BUT the present, that nothing else matters. And it is precisely against such literally short-sighed thinking (or rather the lack of thinking, period) that I have been responding using the facts and evidences of history as well as common-sense wisdom to argue this point.



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And the only proof to all of this is after the fact. When you personally (you in general) look back and say, 'I wasted my life.' Or say to the other person, "I told you so." Both have and will happen to all of us throughout our lives.

But which one will experience or enjoy life?

People fall for the "What if." I would get a wet noodle out if I knew it would help. But it wouldn't. People worry and/or prepare for the future. A 401k plan that they'll never collect because of a heart-attack. Their children grown up without the parents never realizing were the time went.
The list can go on with facts.

Survival is basic. First Chakra. We can't fight it. Doesn't mean we have to but blinders on the rest of our Chakras.

I can explain this a thousand ways but it doesn't make any difference. Does it?

Maybe it is me. But I do know not to worry and certainly not to worry about something I have no control of. The inner child can be trained. That happens in the Now. The future can wait.



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...yes, let's those little humans have their dreams and fantasy about more than this now...because they are entitle to believe, even if everything is just a dogma.



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"yesterday I showed
someone my world.
they brought a ps3
so there was it, him
...and me."


simply put; nevermind a debate, some people just cannot accept the Now of The Moment.



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There are a plethora of terrible things that MAY happen, but most will not.

My advice to the Looney Preppers,

To live in fear is to die a thousand times.

Do NOT be so worried about Lifes twists and turns that you forget to enjoy the ride.

Most Importantly-I WILL DEAL WITH THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS!



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In some belief systems and philosophies, the soul is eternal... in the Karmic stream (re-incarnation), the body can live on, die, then come back either with a few memories of it's last life or through past life regression, regain an extreme amount of memories.

More than this could be experienced through dejavu as a reminder that our minds are equal to our souls, that our souls communicate with us through our super-subconscious. What dreams may come is a good example of this. Or the way our through process works from when we are children, up to the point where we actually realize our true selves.

I love this thread.



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I believe that due to an innate disposition individuals seek to know what is veiled. The level of what is sought would be very unique to individuals. Some individuals in accordance to Desire, would not be satisfied with a glimpse of what is delegated to the here and know.

These would be concerned with what is not easily found, here and now. What is of the here and know may not satisfy the Desire of some individuals.



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and, those individuals may never find satisfaction.
The Now is All.

yesterday was... tomorrow is not.

The Now... is just that.



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Angelus, you attempt to honestly pretend before all here that you never think or plan for tomorrow?

No appointments? No future plans of any sort? No bills to budget for? No future aspirations? No future hopes? No dreams?

Nothing but, as you claim... the Now?



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Soulshroude
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Unless of course, Upir... that Angelus is just metaphorically speaking in a philosophical sense of the term.



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I haven't noticed anything metaphorical in his statements. Have you?



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~Angelus~, would you like to clear this tiny debate up? What say you?



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planned to marraiges, fiancee cheat.

planned a future many times, people scupper them, for you.
I take responsibilty for my Life, my mistakes, BUT ...
am also aware that too easily one can lose that control of one's own Life and, one's planned future.

so, tomorrow I go to the dentist... after that.

no. no plans. things I'd like to happen, on a given date... sure... but plans, no.

I have no definitive plans. who can?

Plan too much... and, many do... you do not live Now, you live for a non-existent future.



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Anyone can plan too much... or too little. Both are extreme points of view.

I have not advocated the former, despite attempts to paint my words thusly, for I have never stated that there is nothing but the future and that the present matters not. However you, on the other hand, in declaring as you have coninually throughout this thread that "the Now is all," you most certainly have advocated the latter.

And as any rational person knows well, extreme points of view are rarely if ever logical.



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Upir, it is well known that stress and/or depression can lead to those extreme perspectives. Sometimes society in general should take a look around, realize that life is their choice of what to do with it, and either live it or loath it.

Once the individual realizes that stress is only a choice, in certain areas... then they could realize that life goes on. That moment of stress what just that, a brief moment. The next week could be vastly different.



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Upir has a point of view, no matter how much I diagree with it... I respect him for voicing it... but, IF he had my Life experience, then his point of view might be different.



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But that is just it, ~Angelus~... everyone's life's experiences are vastly different, but this doesn't mean that one should take those experiences to the extreme in judgement.

If one takes life too seriously, they will always be stuck in mire. Not going anywhere. With that kind of lack in motivation, they are doomed to procrastinate until they decide to just... move on.



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true. but, if one looks to the future... too much, you ignore the Now...

and, if you choose not to make plans to far in't future, how can one be overly disappointed.

No, give me The Now and, the beauty of a sunset, rather than the promise of a possible wonderful tomorrow.



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Well put, ~Angelus~ ... there is always time for a good sunrise or sunset.



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..Many people live today putting too much emphasis in yesterday, while others live life putting too much effort in creating a future. Both, pass and present are extinct; One happen and the other is just an illusion in the time of life. those who live the present are the one who always are smiling and living life to the fullness..



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I believe that it is innate in many to seek what is unknown. It has always been thus.

I have to say that I agree with Soulshroude's remark, in regards to his comment made to no action/stagnation.

This is how I view the topic. .If one does not try different approaches to any circumstance whatever, the chances that it would remain stagnant and unchanged are great. However, I feel that such a dread can be avoided if we Will it. As it is us who can create any circumstance to change.

And I dare to say with confidence, that we can actually bring about the change that we would desire. Or better yet, increase the possibilities of the sought outcome. The variables are huge, however. As long as we do not seek to attain what is not feasible within one's paradigm or try to violate the laws of physics.

That is to say, if the sought change has to do with something in regards to what is of this realm, earth; space and time, etc.

Thus, this herein stated would in no way apply to what is esoteric and of the higher realms of one's being. Not at all.

Victorya



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Perhaps, Angelus, you and Marcus and all the rest who likewise choose to believe that the moment, the "Now," is all there is and that living in the moment is all that matters can provide for us a few real-life examples of this philosophy in action. After all, any philosophy, any theory for that matter, is only as good as its application in real life (i.e., experimentation) to situations designed to specifically test that philosophy's/theory's suppositions?

Thus, I would be very curious how such a philosophy finds application in the real world. Here are a few to which I would appreciate your responses using your "live-in-the-moment-only" mindset:

1. You see the latest release of the latest piece of technology you want... badly (e.g, television, computer, game, cellphone). But, of course, living in the moment as you do, you haven't saved money for it as that would be thinking about the future. So... what do you do? Pass it by... or go into debt to get it NOW?

2. You meet someone exciting, someone who instantly ("in the moment") turns you on incredibly, who is just as attracted to you, as well. This person, like you, wants you, too... badly! Neither of you have "protection" with you (that would be thinking about the future, after all). So... what do you do? Pass the "opportunity" by... or indulge your immediate desires of the moment, giving no thought to the future or possible consequences of your actions.. emotionally, physically or spiritually?

3. It's been a rough work week. You need an escape, something to make you feel good, now (of course). A drink or, if such is not your substance of choice, something ... stronger. Thinking only in the moment, not of the future or the consequences of your actions... what do you do according to this "live-only-in-the-moment-and-future-consequences-be-damned" philosophy?







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Upir, rather than 'prove' myself, might I clarify that my own rational is based on experience, much of which I cited... the Now is... Tomorrow isn't.



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I wasn't asking you to "prove" anything. I was asking only that you help us understand how this philosophy of living only in the moment translates to real life...in the real world.

As the common-place scenarios I provided apparently displeased you, you are welcome to choose your own. How's that?



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Life isn't a test. And, it was Life that taught me how to be... to survive best.

I was not displeased, nor see the need to validate a belief that has stood me in good stead for nearly seventeen years Now.

...Notice the capital? The Now, is all there is.



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I see. Well...I shall trouble you no further with logic or facts; you're mind is made up, your beliefs set in stone. It matters not to you that daily you live life proving your foundational premise wrong by preparing for tomorrow in any of a number of ways that life requires of all of us.

Even your volunteer work has as one of its key purposes working toward a better future for those you serve. And each time you give of yourself now...rather than simply do whatever impulse of the moment presents itself in that moment... You are sacrificing your Now so as to benefit others both now and in the future. You are striving to make the world a better place by, to some extent at least... "paying it forward."

Forward...into the future.



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...my voluntary work provides a hot meal, Now.

...when it's needed. All the best of Life... is Now.



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...which meals had to have been planned for by someone and provided somewhere previously planned into the future for that purpose, and then served by others who have planned to be there to do so (such as yourself) so that others less fortunate will have food to eat...at that future time. Without that food planned for and provided by others who have prepared for that future...you would have no food to offer them in the "Now."

It is only from the seeds sown today... that we reap the fruit of tomorrow.



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All our tomorrows are based on what we do now and for the next few years...go figure.
Why? because we are not the only ones watching.



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...perhaps, but only one opinion is worth following: that of the path learnt by onesself.



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