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Ayana
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03:18:25 Aug 28 2012
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Should the old way of living as a vampire be brought back or should we adjust to the new wave vampires?




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Well before anyone can answer that question I would have to ask that the definition of old and new be defined for the sake of the topic.
See much of what people think of as "the old ways" or the European folklore type of vampirism, the blood drinking undead version is in fact the newer version. Go back 2000 years or more to the classical era... Back to Roman, Chinese or ever ealier Egyptian versions and the were not seen in that way at all. They were Spirits, Demons, and ghosts that came to you in you sleep. Basically vampires where Psionics or Psi... and they fed off of the soul or sexual energies like that of the Incubus and Succubus legends. The farther back you go in the vampire folklore the more you will see Psi like vampire attributes.

For me personally, a vampire is a vampire. Whether they are Sanguine or Psionic in nature the need to consume external energy is the driving force. How you draw upon that energy is semantics.
But if you are referring to the idea of taking our needs by force and getting rid of the donor or Swan relationship we have with mundanes, then No!! That would be a big... BIG Mistake.



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Why would it be a mistake ? If we go back to the old way of feeding from those who are asleep or semiconscious using our astral forms , it's not like they're really going to have any way of defending themselves against the attack. Hiding in the shadows is an excellent way to stay anonymous and by preying on those who are asleep the chances are the experience has faded into their unconscious especially if you can conduct the whole affair in their dreams , they would think it little more than a nightmare . This has been going on around the world for millennia and the majority of humanity is still nun the wiser.



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The true difference and factor which defines the type of vampire is in the energy types we choose to consume.
There are a lot of different energies a vampire can feed from. Sexual, emotional, and astral are some of the most common ones but there are really only two types of energies... positive and negative.

In modern times most choose to seek out donors or form partnerships in order to meet their needs. These psionics are usually loving and feed off of sexual or other natural energies. They respect the relationship which fuels their needs. This way is seen as positive energy because of the emotional state in which you leave the person you have fed from, i.e. there is no force involved and consent is always given prior to the act of feeding.

Those of our kin who prefer the darker energies, seem to enjoy the potency given off by fear or negative energy. They will obviously make situations which produce this type of emotional energies from those they intend to feed from... with or without approval. For this reason most dark energy feeders will feed from astral means or in dreams, never in person because the risks are to great.
Some emotional vampires go so far as to purposely cause the types of personal drama needed by constantly having those around them in dismay. That doesn't mean that all dark energy feeders use force to obtain what they need as there is a large number of poeple within other alternative communities who enjoy the sensation of pain, torture, and near death sexual experiences enough to allow a vampire to indulge themselves. these solutions are making it possible for us to come out from behind the veil we placed upon ourselves because of a lack of control. the old ways were dangerous for both sides.
The inherent problem with the old logic is that we tend to take on the emotional demeanor of the energy we feed from. If one feeds long enough from dark energies the vampire themselves become fearful, paranoid, and overly aggressive. Psionic vampires are more quickly effected by this but it will happen to Sanguine vampires as well.
They will begin to lake any self control until they themselves are a threat beyond allowing them to exist.

Well all know what it means to be burned at the stake but have you ever seen it... remember it?? Seen someone with wooden splinters forced under their finernails and set a blaze??
Create enough fear in the mundane, the type you get from being hunted (whether awake or asleep) and you may get the oppurtunity once again.

We have been friends for a long time, so trust me moon... free reign is an illusion, we don't want to go backwards!!





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01:30:55 Aug 31 2012
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I think new wave so there able to blend in with today cultures



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Sev i have the utmost respect for you and i hope my answer causes any offence , but i'm afraid my opinion differs on this one.

I feel that vampires should return to the old ways of feeding behind a veil of shadows. I think feeding should be done at the whim of the vampire without the consent of the victim.

The modern vampire image conforms to a very Gothic aristocratic image of the vampire as portraid by Bram Stoker , and the brooding emotional and romantic types as in Ann Rice's books. We seem to have adopted the aesthetic and emotional qualities drawn from modern literature. What will it be like in the near future , will we be walking round covered in glitter and drinking deer's blood. Who knows what image the human novelists will devise and what we will choose to adopt. Image is a very personal thing and is most dependent on how we see ourselves and how we wish to be perceived by others. The images created by Bram Stoker and Ann rice are undoubtedly appealing , but fictitious!

I believe the reality of the vampire is far more elusive , we're dealing with entities that do not drink blood , have fangs and wear vintage clothing or sparkle. This obsession with the outer image of the vampire is nice to lust after and try to emulate but i feel it has no real depth. I think a return to the old method of feeding for conservation of ones soul after death , learning to free ones soul from the physical body and the exploration of your own psyche and how it subtly interacts and effects others on the astral plain is paramount. These things surely hold more mystery and majesty than the shallow fictions of human minds. We should put more effort into defining our inner-selfs in the words of Neil Gaiman "learn to be an absence not a presence" and return to the shadows. The free reign of the astral realms unrestricted by the physical body , material laws and moral codes . I personally feel a vampire is closer to a demon than an angle and should take and not give! , there's no light without dark and i feel I've turned to the dark side of the force . I want to revel in the animalistic wild side of the hunt without the burden of human morality. If they burn my body at the stake (again) then so be it , they've only freed me.

I think there should be a more all encompassing acceptance of the vampire mythos going right back to the roots of it all. The vampire was once an ethereal being, intangible and elusive . I think a move backwards wouldn't be a bad one. Unless that is a 100'000'000 astral vampires suddenly sprang forth terrorizing humanity , but i doubt that will happen. I think these days if you told anyone your being attacked by a vampiric ghost your more likely to be sectioned than believed. The wider social ramifications of astral feeding are minuscule , it's the most stealth way to feed.



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02:09:07 Sep 01 2012
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Old vampires rock!!! The new creation of Vampires, written or in recent movies, portrait the Vampires as loving creatures, while the truth is, they are not. Vampires are sanguinary creatures and to survive, they must kill.



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UpirLikhyj
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06:30:12 Sep 01 2012
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No worries...real Vampires don't suffer from any of the identity crises pop culture has invented for them.



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20:55:25 Sep 02 2012
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Live how you feel you must. Sticking into a stereotype is a mistake. Why lurk in the shadows and lurk like some beast would? We are no longer beasts, we are the new generation and have the ability to blend in thanks to people who WANT to be fed on. It is a glorious thing to have people that want us to do it.

You can form your own ideas about what is the community should be doing, but it all comes down to the simple fact that as long as we are all living peacefully and not attacking people because we have reached the limits of our self control, we can stay hidden until the time has come for us to move into the sun-light in a way and let the whole world know about us.



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Doru
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14:26:35 Sep 04 2012
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Evolution consumes every aspect of life; with time there is change. With each tick of the clock, we are forever changed by the factors that pull at every fiber of our soul and we molt to our new state of being. So, even though, we may drift back to the past, we live in the present forever changing.



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SireHecate
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19:00:13 Sep 04 2012
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Why in the 21st century would I desire to revert back to some anciebt times, U'll never be able to relate to? I'm a person of my time, and prefer to live as such



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TigerMoon
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06:39:08 Sep 05 2012
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I feel that the way of the Old vampyres were driven by emotion and ethics. The New vamps are driven by Intellect rather than emotions. Lesser much so on ethics. Ethics is something that is quite overlooked by the New ones. Change is the only constant, but it still depends on the individual.



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UpirLikhyj
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07:55:33 Sep 05 2012
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So... by such "evolutionary" logic, should we next find novel or movie vampires sipping tomato juice cocktails while tanning their sparkly skins on the sun-drenched beaches of Cabo... we should consider this progress and embrace it as such?



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Doru
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12:08:10 Sep 05 2012
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We each travel a path that "we" alone can walk, so anything is possible, yet tradition is carried by those who divulge "honour" the vampyre culture.



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02:54:33 Sep 08 2012
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I think it comes down to personal preferance, some wish to cling to the old ways while others are happy to evolve. I dont think either answer is right or wrong because it's about the individual's opinion..... My opinion is the new way is better for the purpose of blending in with human sociaty



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00:11:16 Sep 09 2012
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I suppose it depends how you look at it in sometimes the new breed of vampire is a very charismatic creature that blends into society quite well and doesnt have to lurk in the shadows. So i say lets not live in ancient ways bring it all up to date but please dont sparkle



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Victorya
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02:42:23 Sep 10 2012
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How about the best for us of both the old and the new?



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Narakyndryn
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The old ways of being in the shadows, and in full Veil? Yes.

Sadly, I feel this WOULD be best-- though if it were not for places like VR and a few other choice places, I would not have the balance that I have today.
Much of the 'old ways' have been brought to light in one way or another, and its good for those ACTUALLY Awakening and fightening of who and what they are coming in to.

I still have a friend-- a very vested Christian-- who denies their self, and it seems to cause more and more unneeded problems. I've extended my hand, at least for basic questions, but they still insist it'll just go away.

Due to the society's glamouring of the condition and the over romanticizing of the culture, like everything, discretion needs to be advised. This more recent lack of discretion has caused problems, deaths, and a severe cause to fear one's given nature-- no matter what it is.

Younger generations are unable to cope correctly, or feel they are to be handed their lineage and title like it is owed to them from the start.

The old ways of having 'victims' instead of willing Donors? No.

There are far too many diseases and situations nowadays that can cause-- and DO cause-- great danger in that reguard. As the world has changed, so must we. It will always be that way, to survive and to carry on in the 'mundane' and vampire societies. Always in balance.

I've spoken on many boards elsewhere about this Donor/Vampire symbiotic relationship, and why it is so important.



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SireHecate
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07:03:53 Oct 08 2012
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While holding some ancient traditions as the foundation, we must evolve. Else we stagnate.



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Other than keeping the veil, or choosing to expose things, that is the only difference i see in modern times. Some believe in keeping tradition, while others tend to feel if we are more open to those that are not sure why they are the way they are, then it would be detrimental to their being as a whole.

I feel the answer isn't always going to be tied to 'vampire' whenever it comes to energy transferences. We all do that naturally anyway. If you know how to manipulate energies, that doesn't equate vampire. There are many others whom are very capable of doing energy work and not have the label vampire tied to them. I still have mixed feelings with these kind of terms used considering there are witches, shamans, healers, lightworkers, people of the dark arts etc who know very well how energy can be used.

So my question is, what really makes a vampire A vampire other than knowing how to feed from several sources to balance oneself out so-to-speak, or maybe i'm missing something because i have yet to really buy into the whole vampire term anyway.



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