Was lilith the real wife of adam as we are lead to believe it was eve ?
The bible says that Eve was the wife of adam, but from research it states that his first wife was lilith who was a demon and went to war with god, so it appears she was a succubus and teamed up with another demon Samael s maybe vampires and demons are not legends after all
I have done extensive research on this subject and Lilith was created as a "god" or "wife of God". She wanted the "creatures" as prey & she became superior to The Almghty.
If I understand my Hebrew research (I am an ordained minister) it says tha Lilith fell in love with Lucifer when he was cast don to become "god of the earth & air". Lilith liked the power Lucifer was given when he was kicked outta Heaven. The two decided thy would then produce "things in their image".
From the research i did it seemed that Adam was unhappy with lilith because she would not be subservient and she left him and gave birth to 100 demons per day, god sent 3 angels to tell her to return but she refused, and god killed 100 of her offsping and for that she vowed to prey upon children and young men.
I've also read that in the Hebrew belief Lilith was Adam's first wife, but during intercourse she wouldn't lay beneath him which is probably symbolic for other things too. So Adam wanted a new wife, Eve, and Lilith was punished by not being able to have babies that would live because God would smote a hundred a day. So then Lilith married Samael, who is said to be the angel of death and the venom of God, and became a full demon. I don't believe Lilith was even human to begin with. Lilith is said to prey on young men and children, but she represents strength of an independent woman in some cultures. Haha one of my friends is named Lilith and she is very independent.
Yes i agree with you that is the research that i found out also, and it does pose the question was Lilith a original or was she a fictional character.
Personally, I believe Lilith is just a fictional character.
Well from the research i have done it does seem that if we are to believe the bible that Adam did in fact have another before Eve
Lilith was the first wife; Eve was the second.
In short, Lilith left Adam as she refused to have sex in the 'missionary position', and be second to him in general. Lilith believed that she and Adam should be equals.
Eve was created from Adam's rib, to be his helpmate - and his inferior.
I'm sure others here can/will elaborate on the subject for you!
Every time this question is posted, all the so-called "researchers" come out of the woodwork claiming Lilith to have been real and justifying this not by providing actual research but, as usual, justifying this conclusion solely on appeals to their claims to being "researchers" or qualified theologians. What this boils down to is: "Don't ask me to show you the research, just trust me that it exists because I said it does... 'cuz I'm a researcher!" (BTW, this rather exemplifies the Logical Fallacy of "Appeal to Authority.")
As with the search for real Vampires, the only way to understand anything in mythology is to begin, as true researchers always do, with the primary source evidences. In other words, you must "...start at the very beginning, it's a very good place to start." And what worked in "The Sound of Music" for teaching kids to sing works even better where historical research is concerned.
The idea of Lilith as Adam's first wife is not found anywhere in ancient times. You won't find it in the Old Testament ... or in the New Testament. It's not found in the Torah or the Book of Enoch or any ancient text within even a couple thousand years of Adam & Eve's mythological existence. No... the idea didn't even occur to anyone... until as late as the Middle Ages, almost a thousand years after Jesus, in fact. And then, it was invented out of thin air to provide a convenient answer to what seemed a Biblical contradiction.
(The following is excerpted from: http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishculture/a/Where-Does-The-Legend-Of-Lilith-Come-From.htm )
Lilith and the Biblical Story of Creation
The biblical book of Genesis contains two contradictory accounts of humanity’s creation. The first account is known as the Priestly version and appears in Genesis 1:26-27. Here God fashions man and woman simultaneously when the text reads: “So God created mankind in the divine image, male and female God created them.”
The second account of Creation is known as the Yahwistic version and is found in Genesis 2. This is the version of Creation that most people are familiar with. God creates Adam, then places him in the Garden of Eden. Not long afterwards, God decides to make a companion for Adam and creates the animals of the land and sky to see if any of them are suitable partners for the man. God brings each animal to Adam, who names it before ultimately deciding that it is not a “suitable helper.” God then causes a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and while the man is sleeping God fashions Eve from his side. When Adam awakes he recognizes Eve as part of himself and accepts her as his companion.
Not surprisingly, the ancient rabbis noticed that two contradictory versions of Creation appear in the book of Genesis (which is called Bereisheet in Hebrew). They solved the discrepancy ...
... by inventing the idea out of thin air that Adam must have had two wives, and decided to call the first wife they had invented by the name of a well-known demoness from Babylonian mythology: Lilith.
And that is how (and why) they chose to solve the contradiction. After all, can't have the Bible contradicting itself. Thus, if the Biblical pieces don't fit... invent a story that makes them fit. And so they did and "Lilith" as the not-so-blushing first bride was born... errr, married?
Of course, modern Biblical scholarship has solved this seeming contradiction, which turns out to be no contradiction at all. We have discovered that (*gasp!*) the Hebrew Pentateuch (First Five Books of the Bible) were in fact written primarily by two separate authors who each wrote separate books about the same events. When during post-exhilic times (after the return of the Jews from Babylonian captivity) they chose to combine both sets of books into one, rather than edit and redact the two accounts into one, they chose instead to lump in both complete books, differences and all, together... first telling one author's version and then, right after the first, telling the other author's version of the same event... yet without informing the reader that two separate accounts by different authors were being told.
And of course, they did this for fear that God would strike them dead if they altered any of either author's words.
This is why we read two separate accounts about Adam & Eve (the author of the first account has Adam and Eve created at the same time whereas the second author, whose account of the same event was added a few verses later, chose to have Adam created first and Eve created out of one of his ribs), Noah's Flood (in one account the animals enter the ark in groups of seven, whereas in the different account a couple verses apart, the animals enter two by two), and on and on.
Thus what the Medieval Jewish scholars viewed as Biblical contradictions, we in modern times now fully understand were not contradictions at all, simply two different authors describing the same events in their own different ways... and later Biblical editors placing each author's account unchanged back-to-back into the Bible, differences and all.
Therefore, actual Biblical scholars and researchers (the real ones... not those pretending to be such) understand and agree that the only wife of Adam being referred to in Genesis was and always has been ... Eve.
- Upir'
Thank God Upir got here before I did... My friend you saved me a lot of typing.
*points at what Upir wrote *
Yeah... Go with what he just said, it's correct!!
Hey, Severus! Thanks! Always looking for ways to keep your typing down...hehehe
For any interested in where the Lilith-as-Adam's-first-wife story first came from, just do a search for "The Alphabet of Ben Sira" (ca. 700-900 CE).
Lilith stories or fables did not come around to general public untill the recent years, for where there is good there must also have evil,
Upir is well versed i see in the fable of lilith, yet alot of wiccas around here believe in the story of lilth as Adams first wife, and stories and books they keep bringing me to read up on her.
I think there is a lot of belief in that Lilith was his first wife and have read a lot in recent years about her
Upir and Severus are on the money - I didn't want to type a lot either, so thank you...! :) (Plus - my occasional sarcasm doesn't go over well, so)...
Anyway - help me here - is the collection of rabbinical texts that clarify/explain the obvious discrepancies in the Bible called the midrash? Or is it another name?
Your probably right, but i did enjoy what upir wrote it was very informative, whether i agree or not is another matter,......lol
Isis: yep...they are called (in the plural) midrashim. And most serve more as apologetics than as actual scholarly investigations and explanations. Case in point re: Lilith as Adam's first wife.
I thought so - thanks, Upir.
I sort of remembered them when it was brought up that the stories of Lilith came to light much later than the Bible and earlier Jewish writings.
I'm one of those who'd like the Lilith stories to be older...but until such info comes to light, I begrudgingly agree - lol
(Now - If some more ancient texts are discovered, or if more of the Dead Sea Scrolls are pieced together and translated, I might have some hope - lol).
All myths of Lillith from different paradigms, time periods, and cultures are worthwhile to know. Whether or not she "was Adam's wife" I do not know.
I do know that through no other thing that through my perceived birth-righ to execute my Will, I have taken Lillith as Mother and Sister; one in Being with me, shall I wish thus. Whether this is accepted by any but me, is utterly inconsequential.