I was curious as to how many of you actually practice blood consumption, and those who do, I wonder what type of safety issues you have with your donors... also if you have only one donor or many.
I have practiced blood consumption for many years... and I feel that safety must be a major issue.. thats just me, as I am not immortal, i wish to take care of the body I do have by making sure my donors are healthy, happy and clean and clear of drugs, and disease.. your thoughts on this matter I am eagerly awaiting.
Interesting thread.... we're always talking about how we drink other people's blood, but we never mention that most of the people's diseases are actually carried by the blood... so transfer of blood = transfer of diseases. Thankfully I have never had the need to feed off anybody's blood... although lately I'm getting a craving for somebody's blood in particular... I guess that before you accept any donation you should check out if the other person is healthy.... and just asking the person is always enough...
This is soo true.. many people don't think about it.. that is why i was so curious to see what people had to say on the subject.. because I know that some diseases can actually break down in the digestive tract, and that there are others that cannot ..such as hepatitis c... and while awareness is definitely down about this disease, it is almost as destructive as aids, just a longer suffering disease.. and yes it can be passed this way.. maybe by talking about things like this in the vampire community, we can bring about awareness... because while blood consumption can be many wonderful things, it can be a miserable experience if you walk away with a life threatening disease.
most people probably can't really post in this without lying more than likely.
Safety in such a procedure is pretty obvious. depends about how you got about obtaining the blood. how much you want. your experience with blood consumption and of course choice in donor.
from those you've got a lot of side-shoots.
it's pretty damn obvious to be honest.
basically... it's a case of trust, knowledge and common sense.
true.... but sometimes common sense fails to prevail... and trust is not easily obtained...
that is quite the point... but the funny thing is people still do it... and then there come extreme health complications.... and it's taken pretty lightly.... wake up people... vampires or not... viruses are not something you can play around with.... they're stronger than you are...
i hope you meant "can't" :P
that's what i mean. most of the people on this site don't take things too seriously, don't go over the facts and every possibility.
and what it seems like to me is that loads of people are just pretending to be something they aren't and possibly passing on incorrect impressions to people who are very new to the concept.
this could be fatal.
everyone knows about the suicide websites that several governments are trying to get shut down.
through wrong information kids could get diseases and die. if this happens on a bigger style... many vampiric or blood related sites would be in jeopardy.
many people don't stop and think before posting false things.
and many people don't stop and think before posting anything that's trollop
Everyone has good points about this subject... I find too many youngsters out there who simply say.. pffft why worry? I am immortal! can u believe that? to say such things only makes true sanguinarians look bad, and they spread this devil may care attitude that they can do whatever with out consequences... i think if they are going to even experiment with the concept of blood letting, and consumption, then they need more than the bs that is out there ...especially the "im immortal, why bother being safe" attitude.. I may be wrong for bringing this issue up, but honestly it needed to be said by someone.. because lets face it, children rarely have a concept of any major implication until faced with it... and as long as children are going to be on this site, perhaps seeing comments on such topics as this will make them pause for a moment and think.. even if they "only tasted it once" during role play... it's never too early to let them know about the seriousness of blood borne disease.
it's not just the "I'm Immortal" concept... it's also a case of the "I'm depressed" concept...
too many kiddies looking to impress people with their darkness and depression (HA) it could just go from there.
too many morons with lies
too many kiddies who don't know better
kinda sums up the population of this site
I have to agree with you Gorey on the point that there are too many of those on this site... I was kinda hoping they wouldnt really post as I honestly feel that they would have little to contribute...but there are indeed those of use here who have and do , and frankly the posers give us a bad name, but it does seem to be an equal opportunity site...allowing everyone, I can only hope that those who read this will take a moment to ponder and become more informed before they do something stupid like like a friends cut finger trying to be cool or trying to call themselves vampires.
I wouldn't worry too much at this point WillowshadowfoX. most members will see posts longer than a couple of sentances and skip over them.
It's only later on when the thread is near death that the one-liners will be posted
"I agree, i always use common sense"
"I've been doing it for years"
"blah blah blah blah blah depressed"
lets just hope the intellectuals keep posting.
personally, i feel trust (possibly even more, friendship or love) would be needed. blood for humans isn't a neccesity and in most it is a preference. adding friendship, trust or love would make it feel more special, rather than just a want for blood. and of course in those categories, you could get even better situations that could elevate the scene to something even more.
safety, take every precaution. you drink the blood of someone with a cold and you'll probably get it. So even if you trust someone, they should still understand the need to be tested for diseases. and they shouldn't really have anything to hide or be against it as you should trust each-other.
what i mentioned earlier as well was quantity of consumption. it's like alcohol. the more often you have it, the more you work up an immunity.
If you're new to blood consumption you could well end up having too much and end up throwing it all up and never doing it again because you'l take that one bad experience and apply it to the entire process. When in reality the thought of pace just didn't enter the minds.
if you aren't sure. start small. just like lifting weights... start small... do to much and you'll just hurt yourself.
I hope THAT is good information.
That was GREAT info.. it is always refreshing to see someone who is also intelectual, and not afraid to delve into the deeper issues... thanks. :)
And I know all to well about the dreaded one-liners that will follow.. and that will que me to close this thread .
it's a shame that the good threads like this end up getting closed and other rubbish threads to do with movie-vamps and fiction stay going for days...
i'm waiting for somebody to post something i forgot :D
I'm waiting for anyone else to post on here lol.. personally i think the thread may have died before it could fly so to speak.. but then again, alot of people really hate to face their own mortality. I am hoping to come up with good ideas for other posts, as I am just now getting to the forum section of the Rave.. and I have been here since November! Maybe something I can say will make a difference somewhere, if not.. its a good medium to express my views.
i only drink the blood of partners or trusted blood dolls
This is why i do not consume blood of others unless i have certified paperwork of the donor, nah i just dont mess with it.
I don't drink blood too often, but every time that I do I make sure that it's from someone that I know and trust and also have proof that their blood is clean. I make sure that they're not into any heavy mind altering substances and that they're healthy, not just physically, but mentally as well.
Its almost like choosing your sexual partners. You use your damn head and if they have diseases and such.. don't fucking do it. Except unlike sex, you don't get any kind of protection. Unless you're claiming that you're immortal or some kind of BS where you're above getting diseases... guess what, you're not.
thats why i stick to sanguine light...same great taste,half the calories as regular sanguine.
i stick to my own known source for blood....ME,my womans,or a nice extremely rare steak...but then again i am NOT a vampire
Ya know, I did an experiement once...
I used to hang out with a group called the New World Vampires, who actually are the basis of my characters in the book I'm writing, but that's not the point..
When I was researching the book, and still in the group, I found that despite the number of people who claim to drink blood, the population of actual blood drinkers was very low.
It was a statis thing. Like highschool boys and sex... everyone says they did.. but did they?
I don't consume blood.But if I did I would do it with a partner who I really trust or already done the both of us blood tests before.
I've only done it a few times, and it is very much like safe sex. Pretend that every person you're thinking of doing this with could potentially have HIV. I would only do it in the context of a COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP (for safety as well as personal reasons. I find it to be very intimate. Not something I would want from a stranger even if it was safe.) . And even then, that person and I would have to be dating for quite a while, and I would have to feel rather confident of their past sexual habits, and their present fidelity. That's all there is to it. There are too many funky diseases out there waiting to make you sick or end your life.
THINK BEFORE YOU DRINK!!!!!!!
it hard to find a donor that you can trust as well as who accepts you for the person you are..many cant get a donor and have to rely on themselves or animal's blood to give them what they need. myself, i had a donor once and they cheated on me..and i was lucky enough to find out that they had an std at one of the regular check ups that i ask to be done and since then, i have to rely on blood obtained from butcher's or specialty stores that are around where i live.
It is always great to hear what you have to say about your choices, preferences and experiences..and it is relieving to see that you use good common sense... however I think that there could be more of us out there who did,..alot of the kids are indeed claiming to drink... and indeed, not doing it.. i definitely agree with that... its like smokng pot..alot of kids say they do to be cool... but not really all of them actually do it.... I have done this most of my life... and i find that the few people i have known that claimed to do it too, would get down right sick when they actually saw me do it... I have lost alot of friends that way *sigh* ... My donor is tested every 3 months, and lives a quite solitary lifestyle, and while i really dont share any affection for her other than my gratitude... I do treat her well and keep her in things she likes.... and rich in good healthy foods... we have discussed the possibility of one day her no longer being my donor, but she would never just up and leave me cold... she would help me find a new one.. i think things are less complicated this way as there is no cheating.. no jealousy... just a mere understanding of need. I wonder if there are others who have donor relationships like this? see for me it is fun to have a sexual blood lust, and i do that from time to time with another donor, but for me the need isn't a sexual one...anyone else with a non sexual blood thirst? I am eager to see what more is to be said of this subject.
i get the lust from it, but need it more like someone would need food..see, i cant eat most foods and blood seems to ease the hunger,*shrugs* the doctors have tryed given me pills and have performed test after test..still have yet to figure out why i cant eat foods with out the bad afterfects
I too... suffer from many digestive problems.. i wonder if perhaps there is a link here to this? lol could be a new thread coming on.
from what i have learned and read, there is a link between the need to drink blood and many stomach ailments...its rather interesting that doctors cant explain why it is or how to treat it
Zuberi! this is most interesting,.. i think i may do some research into this, and see what i can come up with... im curuious as to if others experience any other digestive/stomach ailments... this is something worth learning more about definitely.
Doctors cannot explain oh so many things! Science is making progress though and some day the correlation between the urge to drink blood and digestive problems will be figured out. So please do not come to early conclusions on this matter which are based on speculative considerations. This is dangerous, too.
It was merely a research it for myself sort of thing.. not for specualtion.. i had not considered a link until just now.. i am curious as to what i may find.. after all there are so many resources for reasearch out there, why not use them?
there is some interesting studys done on it willow, just as there are studys that deny the links...its all a matter of what your willing to believe...i was able to find a doctor that had several years of study on the subject at UCLA and it was interesting what he said about the symtoms that corralated with the need to drink blood and the aliments of the stomach that people who need to drink blood suffer from.
and i can understand what your saying michen, i dont let just one theory lead me to believe in just one thing..its a learning process and one that people should look into
The question is not 'Why not use them'. I encourage you to use them, but don't be mislead. The information offered on the internet is not to be given trust at first sight. Anyone on the internet can post anything, which makes it hard to sort out between true information and utter crap. That's something everyone should be aware of. Internet research is also a scientific approach, but chose your sources wisely.
I definitely agree Zuberi.. i think when it comes to ones need for blood.. with as little thought is put into it by society, we as individuals should definitely investigate possible links when it comes up, to satisfy our need on a personal level... personally i wouldnt put any specualtion out there, unless it was in the form of a question to merely see what others had to say.
very true..its like the link with people who have defiencies of certains vitamens (cant spell) of the body...children who have suffered from starvation have eaten bugs, ashes, mud, ect. to get what it is that their body is lacking...such could be the case with those who need blood to live on...maybe we are lacking the fundamental element in our DNA
I would either get by on my own or have the confirmed paper work of somebody I really trust to do it safely and the other person has to truly want it, otherwise, I won't do it (personal ethics) as with many things that may be of close or intimate nature- for example, I would only put my arm around a girl's waist if she specifically ask me to.
Basically, I would put the needs and desires of the donor ahead of my vampirism.
I apologize if this seems lengthy, but felt that it might be useful:
FACTS ON BLOOD:
As you already might have guessed it, this section is all about safety precautions to be taken regarding blood. I tried to make it as thorough and as general as possible, I hope you will take the time to read what has been written in order not to put yourself or others at risk because of mindless use and manipulation of blood.
1. Make sure you are old enough.
People under the legal age of majority in their own area should NOT engage in bloodletting, bloodsharing, or any type of activities, whether they be vampyric or simply fetishism-related. Vampire-Awakening and its owner(s) can NOT be held responsible for any injuries, discomforts or disadvantages caused by unwise or inexperienced blood-related activity of any kind.
2. Do you really need blood?
The first thing to ask yourself when coming to this point in your life when you are about to engage in blood-related activities is: "Do I NEED to engage in those activities?". One should not engage in bloodsharing activities unless there is a physical or psychological IMMEDIATE need for it, such as the need to ingest blood that a sanguinarian vampyre may have, or for blood fetishists to calm their sexual urges.
3. Screen your bloodsharing partners carefully.
Even if you have known your bloodsharing partner for years and years, it is always recommended to go for a medical test and ask for your partner to do the same. This will automatically detect if any one of you are infected with a blood-carried disease. This simple step can help save lives, so do it today, BEFORE you engage in blood-related activities.
4. Use clean and sterile equipment.
Remember that being a sanguinarian vampyre does not make you immortal or immune to blood-carried diseases, especially not evidently the most hazardous of them all, AIDS (Acquired ImmunoDefficiency Syndrome). AIDS is carried via the bloodstream and can also survive outside the human body, namely in used medical equipment, contaminated fluids, as well as drugs of most kinds. To ensure the safety of all people in direct or indirect contact with blood, ALWAYS use sterilized and unused equipment. If possible, try to ensure that it is indeed sterile by buying said equipment in a drugstore, a hospital, or even from blood-drivers around the country, such as the American Red Cross, Hema-Quebec or the Canadian Red Cross. NEVER use the equipment to pierce the flesh or put it in contact with a wound, closed or opened, unless you are absolutely certain that it is indeed sterile and safe to use. This procedure, though it looks overly complicated and thorough, if applied correctly, will dramatically reduce the probability of infection.
5. Be careful about where you open a wound.
If you want to pierce the flesh of a donor, you have to be aware of the vital parts of a human body. For instance, you have to know where the major arteries are in order to avoid cutting those. Also, you should not cut into a muscle, as this could create very nasty infections, not to mention being very painful to the donor. Don't open a wound near the wrists, the rib cage, the heart, the jugular or the carotid, as this would most likely result in a dramatic loss of blood on the part of the donor. Forearms near the elbow are a good place to cut, as a soft spot on the inside of the forearm creates no or very little pain the donor, as well as maintaining a good integrity of the vital parts of the blood distribution system.
6. Direct or indirect
You have to decide whether or not you want the contact between you and the blood to be direct. Each has its pros and cons. For instance, if one is willing to "go direct", there would have to be a medical examination and tests done on both sides of the line, but the euphoria gained when directly bloodsharing will, for some, compensate the wait for medical results and the discomfort created by the testing of one's blood. The indirect method would be, for instance, via a syringe, which would extract the donor's blood, in order to be drank after by the vampyre. This technique has the advantage of having only one person to be tested, as well as the fact that it greatly minimizes the risks of infection on the part of the donor.
7. If you go direct, don't suck out the blood.
Though some people obtain some kind of euphoria or ecstasy from literally sucking the blood out of an open wound, it is not recommended to do so when bloodsharing. The sucking of the blood could result in a nasty infection over time, and may create a scar that will never disappear. It is more recommended, if you do draw blood directly from the wound, to only cut the flesh and lick off the blood that will flow.
8. Respect and appreciate your donor.
As stated in the Black Veil, and as understood and acknowledged by the overall majority of the community, donors are to be cherished, for their dedication keeps our community alive. Don't scare the donor by taking more than what he or she freely offers. Don't take donors for granted; it's not because he or she is bloodletting for you today that it will still be the case tomorrow. In decisions regarding the use of equipment, the method of flesh-piercing, and the amount of blood to be taken, the donor ALWAYS has the overriding right of veto. NEVER force a donor to give blood, as this might be interpreted as a hostile action towards him or her. Understand that you are in no way superior to him or her, as he or she is in no way superior to you. Understand that THEIR needs come first and that they are the vital source of energy of our community.
All responses are welcomed.. lengthy info is likely to be good info... and I am extremely pleased to see how much it has people thinking about this subject.. awareness is key.. in theis case ignorance is NOT bliss... Thank you Dom, for posting your lengthy information :)
i agree, the information you have provided will hopefully make some people stop and think before they do any or all of the above said...its not a game..nor should it be taken lightly..its a life style not a thing to do cuz everyone else does it or because it seems arousing
FromNothingICome-
You have a very good hilosophy on the subject.
Gorey-
This is exactly why I love you.
Its a trust thing, and I dont know why it is seen as so desirble to view "humans" as "prey."
Grow up kids, were all mortal here!
I do drink blood, but not very often, and I am careful, only doing it with one person (Gorey.)
It does make me feel better, and I wouldn't do it for the absolute sake of it, which I think many people claim.
This is a much of interesting forum for I have taken what humans like to call such thing as "culinary" place where you might learn safety and methods of preparing and handling such feast.
I am thrilled with the number of responses I have received to this thread... it does seem that the only ones who has read it tho, are the ones who practice safe blood consumption. I was hoping to hear different sides. ah, well I shall leave it open a day or two longer then, in hopes of differing views.
very informative for myself
i am thankful for the experience and knowledge of others
Consuming blood is the equilivant of having unsafe sex....
except you can't get pregnant that way...
so if you won't have sex without a condom, then you shouldn't drink blood.
"so if you won't have sex without a condom, then you shouldn't drink blood" o_O - Lilly, condoms are not the only type of contraception available..there the pill & a couple of other stuff... if it were only for condoms half the males here would die of thirst LOL
both very valid points.. except for if you have the need to consume blood, it merely wouldnt be as simple as just saying no... however the point about condoms was that with other methods of protections such as the pill, do not prevent the spread of disease, just prevent pregnancy.... more thoughts? i wonder how many actually need to consume it , and how many just do it because they want to?
Im thinking this thread may have played out...so i will leave it open one more day, if anyone else wants to add their two cents.. i'll keep it going, if not ill close it tomorrow night.
i do feed on blood and if the person is not clean or is even question i will not feed from them