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through out greek history they have believed in the gods on mount olympus.Especially in the battles of troy & thermopylae. here are the examples of it with these particular battles:


In Greek mythology, the Trojan War was waged against the city of Troy by the Achaeans after Paris of Troy stole Helen from her husband Menelaus, king of Sparta. The war is among the most important events in Greek mythology, and was narrated in many works of Greek literature, including the Iliad and the Odyssey of Homer. The Iliad relates a part of the last year of the siege of Troy, while the Odyssey describes the journey home of Odysseus, one of the Achaean leaders. Other parts of the war were told in a cycle of epic poems, which has only survived in fragments. Episodes from the war provided material for Greek tragedy and other works of Greek literature, and for Roman poets like Virgil and Ovid.

The war originated from a quarrel between the goddesses Athena, Hera and Aphrodite, after Eris, the goddess of strife and discord, gave them a golden apple, sometimes known as the Apple of Discord, marked "for the fairest". The goddesses went to Paris, who judged that Aphrodite, as the "fairest", should receive the apple. In exchange, Aphrodite made Helen, the most beautiful of all women, fall in love with Paris, who took her to Troy. Agamemnon, king of Mycenae, and the brother of Helen's husband, Menelaus, led an expedition of Achaean troops to Troy and besieged the city for ten years. After the deaths of many heroes, including the Achaeans Achilles and Ajax, and the Trojans Hector and Paris, the city fell to the ruse of the Trojan Horse. The Achaeans slaughtered the Trojans and desecrated the temples, thus earning the gods' wrath. Few of the Achaeans returned safely to their homes and many founded colonies in distant shores. The Romans later traced their origin to Aeneas, one of the Trojans, who was said to have led the surviving Trojans to Italy.

Ancient Greeks thought the Trojan War was a historical event that had taken place in the 13th or 12th century BC, and believed that Troy was located in modern day Turkey near the Dardanelles. By modern times both the war and the city were widely believed to be non-historical. In 1870, however, the German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann excavated a site in this area which he identified as Troy; this is now accepted by most scholars.[1] Whether there is any historical reality behind the Trojan War is an open question. Many scholars believe that there is a historical core to the tale, though this may simply mean that the Homeric stories are a fusion of various tales of sieges and expeditions by or Mycenaean Greeks during the Bronze Age. Those who believe that the stories of the Trojan War derive from a specific historical conflict usually date it to the 12th or 11th centuries BC, often preferring the dates given by Eratosthenes, 1194–1184 BC, which roughly corresponds with archaeological evidence of a catastrophic burning of Troy VIIa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War


Carneia festival
Herodotus writes:[19]

The force with Leonidas was sent forward by the Spartans in advance of their main body, that the sight of them might encourage the allies to fight, and hinder them from going over to the Medes, as was likely they might have done had they seen that Sparta was backward. They intended presently, when they had celebrated the Carneian Festival, which was what now kept them at home, to leave a garrison in Sparta, and hasten in full force to join the army. The rest of the allies intended to act similarly; for it happened that the Olympic Festival fell exactly at this same period. None of them looked to see the contest at Thermopylae decided so speedily; wherefore they were content to send forward a mere advance guard. Such accordingly were the intentions of the allies.

During the Carneia, military activity was forbidden by Spartan law. At the Battle of Marathon, the Spartans had arrived too late because of this requirement. On this occasion, the ephors decided the urgency was sufficiently great to justify an advance expedition under one of its kings (Leonidas), which can be used to roughly determine the time of year. The Carneia took place in a late summer month (July, August or September) from the 7th to the 15th ending with a full moon.[20]


[edit] The oracle
The legend of Thermopylae as told by Herodotus has it that Sparta consulted the Oracle at Delphi before setting out to meet the Persian army. The Oracle is said to have made the following prophecy in hexameter verse:[21]

O ye men who dwell in the streets of broad Lacedaemon!
Either your glorious town shall be sacked by the children of Perseus,
Or, in exchange, must all through the whole Laconian country
Mourn for the loss of a king, descendant of great Heracles.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae


basically with the battle of thermopylae it is saying that because the 300 spartans went against the festival of the gods they were doomed to loose.

my question is that with their beliefs in the greek gods do you think that one side was favored over the other or that the gods were rooting for the destruction of both sides?




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i guess that could be a possibility, but didnt the 300 spartans hold their own for quite a while before they finally lost the battle? either way, things happened as they were supposed to be it by the gods will or some other factor.



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I haven't read much on mythology I haven't been interested in it for years.



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yes indeed you are right that the three hundred spartans did hold their own for a while.however, the gods had to have had something to do with there loosing the battles.king xerxes claimed himself a king of the gods,for this zues must have taken offense and made him lose alot of men in the battle but at the same token leonidous went against the festival of the gods.it must have angered the gods alot more than xerxes.



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yes the gods did take an interest and often caused these issues lol

each city also had its own patron god IIRC



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Zeus, very untypical of a Greek

god in his lack of involvement in the Trojan War for selfish reasons, was

portrayed as the father figure, being impartial and fair to both sides of the war.

He remains this way to serve as a check for each god's involvement in the

war. Without his presence at the head of the inner circle of Olympus, it is likely

that the activity of the Trojan War would become chaotic, possibly even

becoming a playground of war for the gods.

Info copped from:http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=17008



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i see, i did not know that he claimed himself king of the gods, zues would have been extremely upset over that fact. so it is a possibility the gods took offense and helped them along their way to losing



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Who claimed themself king of gods hun?



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king xerxes, as said in the previous post by pyramid



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oceanne, xerxes claimed himself a king of the gods.thats why the people in his control called him the godking xerxes



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Oh yes,ok I understand what you said now.Well as arrogant as Zeus is or was he would most assuredly have taken offense to a claim like this.

Some scholars maintain that the battle of Giants, at least early on, was symbolic of the struggle between good and evil.



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oh yes, oceanne i have heard that as well



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yes in most cases of battles there is always a side that takes on the good and evil portion of it.



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It seems that every god/goddess has thier own agenda. And while the people may seek thier favor. They will always do as thier whim desires. But this does not always effect the bettle. Size, strength, planning, skill. These are what truely determine a battle. Not the gods and goddess'.



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Good point,but to the Greeks and Romans Gods and their involvement were very real,and since thats what we're talking about ..



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exactly oceanne, to them the gods and goddess' played a huge role in all aspects of their lives.



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yes your very right to a point oni, but what you dont realize is thatall those things were given to the combatants by the gods and godesses.so it is all linked into the gods and their wishes.



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some talk about the food

the spartans eat it



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I think there is only one God and anything beyond that is the work of Satan himself.



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well hun this is just about greek mythology, we are not saying anything against what your beliefs are. or that there is more than one god or anything like that



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I know this, thats just how I believe. Not trying to push it on anyone else, to me "myth"ology is a big word.



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I understand. And back them the role of the gods and goddesses were much more potent then they are now. But they are task specific. A city ruled by the goddess of love can not expect to win a war. It wasn't her gig.
Its like my goddess Macha. When two armies fought. The heads of the losers were mounted on pikes in large circular formations known as the "Masts of Macha." Whether or not she actually favored one side over the other didn't matter. She was a goddess of war. The Battle Raven. She enjoyed he carnage and bloodshed. Only the strong who did not require her assisstance were truely wrothy of her favor.



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LOL nks534 Look at it like this. In the Bible it is said that every heavenly being was given a task by God. Each programed with a specific job. After the war of heaven over 2 thirds of the heaven was cast out. Not all of them evil. Now lets say that those that continued to do thier job were worshiped my our primative ancestors. They then turned them into gods. But they never stop doing what they were made to do.



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I think they rooted for destruction honestly.


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but like troy, did he really care about the wife or was it just a reason to gain more land?



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to clear all misconceptions, this thread was started as a mythology and battle only type of context,not a religious thread.



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Your question, and thus your point is moot. Xerxes of the Achamenid Empire didn't EVER believe in the Greek or Roman gods and thus there is no mutual pre-supposition of the "gods" favoring either side. Perhaps one might be able to argue the "issues" of the gods from a Greek point of view but not from a Persian point of view. Therefore, your question is flawed. Culturally and religiously speaking, Xerxes successor, Artaxerxes I institued Zoroastriaism as the religion of the state. Zoroastriaism proclaims that only ONE prophet has divine authority, Ahura Mazda. Significantly different from either Greek or Roman belief.



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too many of you are taking the grasp on this subject and turning it into a religious debate.it is not a debate of religion.its a debate on whether or not in mythology that the gods were either rooting for one side or they were rooting for mass destrction.due to the vast oversight of this i am closing this thread down.



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