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I have often wondered about the origin of Goth; from which style and/or era had it descended from. when and in which country did it make its initial appearance.
also, where we may have seen stibbits of it before its proclaimed existance -Mortisha, Wednsday, Elvira etc. ~which i feel may have partly contributed to Goths birth.

~Your Input Please. 'Goth Pretty'-please~
with Goth mix on top (any gothic recipes u like) ; )




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well many teachers has told me about the origin of gothic literature which suprisingly if i remembered correctly is connected with the romantic movement and also the whole industrial movement we had. its hard to explain without my books near me but yeah there is an origin to the literal sense of the the gothic as for the others i have no clue. well cept for the architecture. yeah haven't read on this subject like for 3 years now sorry



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01:56:54 May 08 2005
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Cute. Guess i could/should of entitled this Gothism 101 or even report after all that i am wearing Gothic Colored Underwear!



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Empress
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02:26:32 May 08 2005
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Historyofgoth.com

There is the answer you seek



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Empress
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02:31:40 May 08 2005
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Sorry that was music

this is what you want

www.obscure.org/~vlad/gothic/history.html



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so you are refering to the visagoth and ostrogoth is i am not mistaken. yeah i did listen in history class yeah i usually don't use that reference to make a connection to my self because i am a lover of literature lol. but yeah they are another major part of the gothic culture



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02:47:21 May 08 2005
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oops miss spelling its visigoth. and here is some info on that http://www.ancientworlds.net/44798



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Empress
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02:54:21 May 08 2005
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screw those other links

this one is the bomb

http://www.brianyencylopedia.com/encyclopedia/g/go/goths.html

That link is awesome.
Tell from the start of it all.



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CorazonMuerto
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03:04:08 May 08 2005
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:(( that link isn't working for me. NOT FAIR i wanted to compare notes lol



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well my teacher said the original word "goth" came from the scattered barbarians in europe and some were known as Goth Barbarians which is where the term first began... now correct me if im wrong but i think im on the right track.



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04:53:33 May 08 2005
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the so called european baberains were the ostro goths lol. and the germanic barbarians are the visi goth



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06:25:09 May 08 2005
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waa haa! thier ya go thats them the VIsi Goths thats who i was thinking of thanks ^_^



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Little known origin m'Lord always laughs about...

"Goth" is one of the German invaders of the Roman empire in the third and fourth centuries.

~I giggle~I figured Empress would have remembered that one...



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12:06:13 May 08 2005
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Know what? The tittle doesn't fit the content...
And TO THINK this was a job oppurtunity!
whatever!



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Flux: The Goth world is a lesson in history in itself, and the term Gothic was first used during the later Renaissance, and to quote the great artist Giorgio Vasari, who was commissioned by Rome to assemble a catalogue of artists and their work. Goth was used as a term of contempt, “Then arose new architects who after the manner of their barbarous nations erected buildings in that style which we call Gothic"

The Goth world goes back to approximately the 11th century, when a great deal of ancient Greek and Roman architecture was destroyed, or vandalized, and replaced by Gothic structures and styles and this gave birth to the Gothic Culture. The west door of Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris, France is a fine example of Early Gothic architecture (begun 1160)

To reflect the mental attitude of the time, it was said by scholars and artists then “That the new architecture contained certain fantastical and licentious manner of building: congestions of heavy, dark, melancholy, monkish piles, without any just proportion, use or beauty."

Therefore I conclude, throughout time Goth was beholden as a culture that was different and non-conforming in its styles and appearances. Modern day Goths have adapted this attitude into their own sub-culture of dress, moral codes, music and behaviour.

I adore the old Gothic architecture, it is really prevalent throughout Europe, and the inside of Notre Dame Cathedral is just as wonderfully amazing as the outside.



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16:19:11 May 08 2005
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also www.gothicsubculture.com is a good site.
For me gothic is not being depressed,white make-up etc....this is what a lot of people think.

Gothic can be literature,building,clothes,music and beauty,there is nothing more beautiful than goth.And ye even goths can be happy.



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20:31:56 May 08 2005
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thanks emearald thats what i was trying to get at when i refered to goth literature and stuff and they is like a connection to the romantic. GRR ANY ENGLISH LIT TEACHER IN HEEERE.. i am getting a headache trying to recal



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09:29:12 May 10 2005
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Welcome, well glad I explained it clearly. The earliest Gothic literature that I can think of is the work of Horace Walpole who lived in the 1700's and thashed out , "The Castle of Otranto", and without research, I believe is the world's first Gothic novel. Correct me if I am wrong folks!

Another beautiful piece of literature dated, is the poem, "la belle dame sans merci" that you can find here in the database at VR.



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13:57:13 May 10 2005
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I believe in the Germanic tribes the most...



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14:11:04 May 10 2005
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I teach Lit!

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14:33:38 May 10 2005
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Only a teacher can help ya. They know more about it then anyother person in this world.



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14:59:21 May 10 2005
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Germany I think



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well la belle damme san merci was written by keats who is considered to be a romantic poet. but I did remember that the gothic did spring out of the romanic movement or something similar. I know what i am going to do i am going to email my recent english teacher. If hes not too busy listening to old school rock and so on he'll help us. LOL



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16:14:52 May 10 2005
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did some research :)

Gothic Literature, covering the period from approximately 1764 to 1840, features the works of Lord Byron, Mary Shelley, Ann Radcliffe, Edgar Allan Poe, M. R. James, Emily Bronte, and more writers.
-from about.com
and from Joyce Carol Oates: American gothic tales. she connected the "american gothic" with writers such as hawthorn and things such as puritan extreemism and thier fears of god and paradoxes such as god and jesus being fatherly yet somehow tyranical. The american gothic acording to this writing sprang from puritanical paranio. (I found a hand out from my 11th grade english teacher yeah kept it for a few year but you need a user name and pw to access the site he got it from, which is not free sad no say :(.)
My analysis to clear something i said up: Well keats did hang with byron and Mary Shelleys husband Percy who is also a great poet so yeah... I guess you could say that "la belle damme sans merci" has gothic elements in it but I am in no mean saying its a purely gothic tale.



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16:29:31 May 10 2005
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In the Aug 2003 issue of Acrimony this issue is covered by moi.

http://www.acrimony.org/issues.php



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Emaerald
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LOL, King.. I don't think that there are any school teachers in here ;) nor that Flux was advertising for one. However, a teacher does not have to be one that teachers in school. A teacher is someone who has knowledge of a specific subject and able to share it with others.



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actually em we do have a few actual school teachers....
but anyways....
the goth subculture is an offbranching of british punk from the late 70's....the peole who were into the same sort of idealisms as punk without the violence attached and in a more intellectual manner...
check out a book called the goth bible
it looks into the whole history of the subculture



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All I am aware of is that gothic culture was once referred to as "cool". Not cool as in, 'hey man, that kicks ass!', but cool as in a culture of interesting people with brains, not mushy brains, intelligent brains. But unfortunately mommy and daddy showed up with their cute little girl dressed in a pink tube top and a baby blue mini-skirt, smoking weed and getting straight A's and STD's and said now this is cool



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Thankyou Daermon, as I said I wasn't aware there is any professional english literature teachers in VR..it is super to know that we have now. This was my favourite subject whilst I was at college :)

In June last year we used to have a U.S. University professor here also, but sadly he has left due to work commitments, although we are still in touch.



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