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SlasherBat
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I have heard that they are related, vampires are just angels that roam the world in human form, it is an interesting theory and i would like some feedback on what you all think of it.




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01:18:18 Jan 31 2009
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I think you are refering to the nephilim, the watcher, the Annunaki...I am sure ~Upir~ can enlighten you a bit more on this topic, I would message him if I were you.



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Might I suggest reading through Vampires VS Angels ? It's an older thread, but I think it might help you learn about the connection (or lack thereof) between vampires and angels.



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Hi Slasherbat,

The main thread of connection between the two, is within the the Judeo-Christian religious texts, particularly the non-canonical apocryphal work, The Book of Enoch.

The essentials of the story are that the 'Sons of God', commonly regarded in this case as Angels, came down to Earth and had children borne by human women.

The offspring were called The Nephilim. Many theories and interpretations have been put forth about these beings, from being aliens, to giants and as the first vampires.

They are loosly the inspiration for the Vampire Masquerade Role Play game characters 'AnteDiluvians'- the most ancient and powerful of vampires. Literally meaning 'before the deluge', they are the reason for the wickedness which caused God to send the flood, so that the Earth and the bloodline of purity through Noah could survive unpolluted, giving opportunity for the future birth of 'The Messiah' (in Jewish Prophecy. Regarded as Jesus Christ in Christianity of course).

Considered beings of great renown, super strong and bloodthirsty warriors, they would be cousins, or more appropriately, 'nephews' of the Grigori, themselves fallen Angels and tenuously linked to vampire myth in numerous works of fiction.

There are some intriguing ideas that some of the Grigori survived the flood, or came down to Earth post-flood and gave rise to a second generation of Nephilim, or as in the Book of Jubillees, that deceased Nepilim continued on as disembodied spirits, or 'demons'.



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UpirLikhyj
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stabb666's comments are largely correct; the generally accepted story of the "Fallen Angels" and their later connection with "Vampires" does find its origins in the Biblical accounts.

Indeed, while the ancient mythology of a small group of celestial males descending or otherwise arriving to native populations and instructing them in the arts, sciences, agricultural arts, and philosophy/religion fill the ancient accounts of so many of this planet's founding civilizations, yet the only written record of their having been vilified and demonized as "fallen," as "evil," as "damned," is found in the Bible and the far later midrash-esque accounts of the Books of Elohim, Jubilees, etc. Unfortunately, as only the Biblical account forms the foundation of most of the world's religions, this is also the only generally accepted view of these ancient visitors. Were this not bad enough, yet even this Biblical account is continually misinterpreted and... thus... misunderstood.

Permit me a couple key clarifications to the generally accepted account... and don't worry as I will use the Bible to point out these errors.

The first of the errors is in calling the angelic descendants of the "Fallen Angels," the Nephilim. This term cannot refer to their descendants given that where this term first appears, in Genesis 6:4, precedes the birth of these descendants to Human females:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the Sons of God went in unto the daughters of men and had children by them. These were the mighty men of old, men of renown." - Genesis 6:4 (emphasis added)

Thus, the term Nephilim could not have reference to their children. The name primarily given the offspring of the Nephilim (also "Watchers," "Sons of God," etc.), was ... the Rephaim.


The second error that has for so long needed correcting and which, being uniquely qualified as I am to do so, I shall now attempt to rectify is that of them being considered ... "Giants."

Neither the Nephilim nor their descendents, the Rephaim, were giants. This was just as much a deliberate lie, vilification, and demonization of them anciently as was the equally despicable lie against the more contemporary remnant of the Rephaim in calling them fanged, Undead blood-suckers known as "vampires." None of this was true... yet what they had in common was that both were used as part of a deliberate campaign to justify their slaughter.

The appearance of the word "giants" first occurs in poorly translated versions of Genesis 6:4 that deliberately replaces... not translates... the original term found there: Nephilim, which has nothing to do with "giants." As best can be translated, the term Nephilim is derived from the root word naphal, meaning "to fall." Thus, the term literally means "The Fallen Ones" (hence, "Fallen Angels").

Now... let's FINALLY tackle and wrestle to the ground the oft-quoted yet inexcusably misunderstood reference to giants as found in Numbers 13:33.

As found at the website referenced by stabb666 regarding the Nephilim I quote as follows:

"Numbers 13:33 the word clearly means giants..."

Yes... it sure does mean giants. Problem is... this reference was a deliberate "slander"... a lie concocted by a few of the men sent to spy into Canaan and who returned and deliberately made up the story of giants in the land so as to try to stop Moses and the Tribes of Israel from entering the land. All someone had to do was simply read the rest of the account, specifically Numbers 14:36-37, wherein it describes the specific account of "giants" as having been a "slander"... in other words, a lie, for which the men who had slandered concerning the inhabitants were then killed, punished by God for their lie:

"And the men, which Moses sent to search the land, who returned, and made all the congregation to murmur against him, by bringing up a slander upon the land, Even those men that did bring up the evil report upon the land, died by the plague before the LORD." - Numbers 14:36-37 (emphasis added)


Thereafter, as ought to be recalled, the Israelites went in and eventually possessed the land... and without encountering any men of such "great stature" that they were as "grasshoppers" by comparison, as these slanderers had stated existed there.

Thus... yet again... no "giants." Now, does this mean that there was no Goliath, either? Who knows? But he was clearly identified in the Bible as a "Philistine" and not a descendant of the Fallen Angels. He was also reputedly to have been about 9.5 feet tall... a "giant" of sorts, yes, but not of the far greater stature as described by the slanderers of Numbers 13:33.

Hope this helps.


- Upir'






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Well everything in the world which is being, the core is the soul, may it be vampire may it be ghost may it be human being, may it be other spirit or kins. daities the power of goodness and satan the power of evil both are the soul within them and soul have only one rule...

the law of karma in behaving with other kin, if you are not frightened of and have no harming mind and conscious towards those entity, they will not harm you. only human and living beings are free of behaving to this law so they deceive. but ghosts angels and other kin which are not living being, they do not deceive, they are good to person who are good to them and bad and punishing to the person who are bad to them.

human have its soul, animal have its soul vegetatons have its soul, vapires have its soul, ghost have its soul. My opinion vampire is much related to the dire not to the ghostly or immortality they are not the immortals. you can say ghost is immortal till they dont take any womb to re-birth (reincarnation).



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06:58:08 Feb 08 2009
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Well, in tradtional sense, they are opposites. Angels, being servants of God and helping mankind out, and Vampires, being servants of evil and hunting humankind.

Big difference there! hahaha.......



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I was told that there were piles and piles of angels in heaven before there was time. They were split into three armies and lead by three brothers. Satan, Gabriel, and Michael. Satan got angry at God because God was making in Satan's opinion an inferior race called man. The armies of angels were divided threes ways. Some thought “man” was a neat idea, some didn’t care and so didn’t chose a side, and just over a third of the angels followed Satan’s opinion and planned a big battle. God first threw Satan and his followers out of heaven and Gave Satan a kingdom he so greatly desired. Commonly known as hell. Now the angels who didn’t side either way were thrown to the earth and it is said that they are the fairies and so on. Maybe true maybe not I don’t know. It’s a story passed down in my family for as long as I can remember. Maybe Vampires are the angels who didn’t fall to hell and maybe a few cast into hell managed to climb out of the pit. I think there will always be speculation and lively discussion on this subject.



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I researched the relationship between Angels and Vampires and came across Anne Rice's Memnoch the Devil. I enjoyed it, and it gave me the idea to characterize the vampire as a fallen angel.


THE FALLEN ANGEL THEORY:
The first Vampires were Fallen Angels aka "The Watchers", who were cast
out of heaven for bringing sin unto the Earth [Stef Zodiak]. An adjunct
to this theory suggests that the first vampires were the offspring of
humans and Watchers. When the Children of the Watchers had consumed all
of the available food, they turned to mankind and began to eat their
flesh and drink their blood.


THE ANGEL OF DEATH THEORY:
The Bible says that the fallen angels came to earth and mated with
the "daughters of Eve" to create half demon types who terrorized the
populous in pre-flood times. God wanted to even the score and sent
His loyal angel, the Angel of Death, to mate with a daughter of Eve
in order to create vampires to control the demonic offspring of the
fallen angels. After the flood, however, the demons were gone and
the vampires (who of course survived because they are immortal and
can't drown) had no purpose and began preying on humans. [Sable Siren]



my source for the above red and blue text Source


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i do not believe they are at all similar. angels work for the greater good and vampires are more dark and sadistic... nothing wrong with either but they are no way close to the other



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUY1kCLiAq4


i think that angels others... i think the only angel is the angel of death who you can say they is a Vampire, but also the angel of rage...

Vampires are death people who walk alive in death cause they will take rage...

It is only my belief...





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Annakia
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16:35:43 Feb 09 2009
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I think there is a much higher power, I do not think that angels and vampires are similar.



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17:15:00 Feb 09 2009
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Annakia -


Why do you think that?

Both angels and vampires are said to be immortal -- both are said to be extremely beautiful (I'm going with the, of course, fictional version [only version] here) -- and both obviously have ethereal qualities about them.

Why do you think they aren't similar?



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but...wasnt satan an angel himself? werent all of the fallen ones angels as well?
seems that angels can be a force for light or darkness...perhaps also they might be neutral?
~W~



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UpirLikhyj
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LordWolf -

Excellent point... and, when viewed in the far more accurate light of history... exactly what one would expect. After all, history is replete with never-ending examples of the gods/angels of one culture being depicted as the demons/devils of the next. Thus all too often, as seen here, they are indeed one and the same... depending on your own brand of religious fanaticism.

And so also re: "Angels and Vampires."


- Upir'



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