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Would like to hear your thoughts on the Vampire Otherworld. Shamans are only able to travell to otherworlds if they believe they exist. Do you believe ?
Have you ever travelled to or experienced the vampire otherworld and what if any, influence do you think they are influencing modern vampirism?

Before i start sorry for the spelling mistakes .

The other world is documented in almost every major religion . The documentation of such experiences is vast if you care to research it . Shamanism and whichcraft are undeniably linked to practises of the more primitive cultures . I think there has been a distinct shift away from such things with the development of industry and more material values of modern society . However with the development of technologys ,science has also made massive progression , and the mindset to reason such things as vampires and other unexplaned phunomenon has been disregarded as myth . Confined to the vaults of history , and regarded as endulgences of a more primative mind set , that lacked more advanced reasoning ability , these things have been set aside . That is not to say they do not exist . With the onset of cinema and film the vampire legend , that has existed since the earliest recorded civilisation of man has been transformed into a vision of beauty and refinement , sympathetic of the aristocratic classess of a bygone era . I do belive however that the vampire has become an attraction to all those of a darker persuasion . That what society does not except has been downcast as something dark and sinister . I think we have the church and the Mallus Malficarum to thank for that in part . But people who do belive in whitchcraft and vampires , amongst other things have of course been intimidated by the massive , and have hidden what they percive to be real , to avoide riddicule and punishment , I think sites like this one alow people who have exsperienced the other world a sanctury . The vampire has become synonYmose with other worldly phunomenon , and now becomes not only something of fantasy portraied by modern cinima , but a very real vestige that can adapt to the many theorys of the metaphsical belifes of modern people . Psh vamps , Whitches , now all find common experience that can be linked to that of the more shamanic traditions of old . Yes i have experienced and yes they do exist . lol Leax

This would coincide with the ages of man IE the Golden Age, Bronze Age etc. Other worldy entities do exist and come into our realm on occasion. Such as the Unicorn, Dragon, Fae...And or whathaveyou.

The Vampire is no differant then any other metaphysical entity. Thus the "mara" is born as well. Spiritual vampire. A vampire that has reached its final death and now haunts from the other side.

moonbubble you end your post with lol, as if it is some simple majority accepted reality, lol speaks of leisure intent, smug is a word that comes to mind.

If a few of the self proclaiming creatures in this site just answer my thread, i think we wouldnt be debating this in all the threads. Lol this is a constant misunderstanding everywhere.

The ambiguity of their claims depends on vague responses to attempt to " stump" those who seek clarity, once one sees how conveluted each subsiquent claim of vampires existing, and the degree if conviction.

Yeah, I loath that as well, I mean at least post something with a bit of merit to your convictions.

By the by ~Ravenous~ which thread were you talking about?

I made one called "the real meaning of a self proclaimed vampire" that will hopefully separate the sanguinarians with the folk and show people that vampire is one thing and human/sang lidestlyers is another thing apart, because people tend to say they are vampires here everywhere and other confuse what they really mean.

And when i say i get confused , I GET CONFUSED, haha if i could find a page i read like 2 days ago you could understand my point perfectly. I read this profile where the person said he/she was bitten by his/her mate, and was turned and aquired special abilities as well as a thrist for blood, and then he/she turn another person. I was like "For heaven sakes wth is this"... some claims that they were turned, other born vampire, other awakened one day vampire, other came from a past life and is in a new body vampire, and thats when i miss the train...and i think many people dont believe it because of that, and thats when everyone here fights over the same subject in every thread.

To dabbler i,am sorry i didn,t mean to come across as smug , i really meant nothing by it . I,ve only owend a computer for a few months , this is the first forum i,ve ever been on i made a mistake sorry .

La6Muerte66

"we understand how the world works , and we,ve fefined and established the scientific method ? Nowadays we need something called "evidence" to belive in something ."

I was thinking of posting this as a new thead , but i,am not sure i can take much more of this forum stuff . I think it would fit in quite nicely here as a possible link between science and the metaphysical .Can the quantum theory of non-locality possibly support metaphysical phenomena such as extra-sensory perception , voodoo dolls ,of the Haitian -African peoples and teleportation ?.That was going to be the question , but it can also be used to support the theory of another unseen reality .

Interactions under Non-Local Reality.
1. The interaction does not diminish with distance .
2. It can act instantaneously ( faster than the speed of light .
3. It links up locations without crossing space .

"This means that in spite of the local appearances of phenomena , our world IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY AN INVISIBLE REALITY which is unmediated and allows communication faster than light , even instantaneously ."

From book "Introducing Quantum Theory " J.P Mc Evoy and Oscar Zarate .


This invisible reality is the astral plane , theres no need to cross through space , because places can be linked by thought , Thought can also create things on this plane , it is a plane of emotions and thought . Not things that at this time can be quantified by science . I do belive it,s real and that science will soon be able acknowledge this .

Levi:

To answer your question...It never occurred to me to try. I've studied a bit of celtic style shamanism, and the idea of a vampire otherworld never even crossed my mind, even though they have appeared from time to time in dreams.

I might have to try now.
;)

Thankyou DecemberNemesis Celtic Shamanism is were I,m coming coming from. The Underworld is a vast place and governed by a completley different set of rules to ours. To understand these rules based on whats real in this world is a bit like pissing in the wind..