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21:58:18 Aug 08 2010
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A post in the Vampire Cliché thread espousing that the traditional vampire is “male and violent,” got me to thinking about female vampires. Again. I explored a bit of this in a thread from 2008:
Vampire Brides
, in which I said, “Most stories focus on the male vampire and his desire for power and sex. Women usually stereotyped as victims. Even Dracula’s vampire brides, that buxom threesome, were eternally sucking, never sucked.”


Perhaps the way to understand why there are so few female vampires (are they still few?), is to understand the enduring Patriarch: The Male Vampire

Both Twilight and True Blood have good daddies in the form of Carlisle Cullen and Bill. Both are kind of dad saviors.

Why is the vampire myth so dominated by males?




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22:10:29 Aug 08 2010
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Vampire can be said to be synonymous with penetration.

More modern screen writes have female vampires with fanged vagina, an interesting evolution to the arc typical vampire.



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22:12:39 Aug 08 2010
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Vampires with fanged vaginas, do you mean Vagina dentata??!!??

In what movie or book?



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22:14:24 Aug 08 2010
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Blade

and one other I cannot remember the name of.


There is also the "Damsel in Distress" factor, the woman in the victim role, and the protagonist either infatuated with her, or determined to protect her from the Encroaching danger.

Though this scenario/paradigm is being challenged in contemporary cinema. Often with reaching role reversals. I personal enjoy most foreign films more then American films because of this factor. The states are behind in equality in portrayal of the roles of the sexes, though we would like to have others think us liberated, and unbiased.

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one reason might be because of the large number of vampire books that are aimed at a female audience.

the fantasy then is that of the sexy vampire guy seducing and nibbling on the reader.

just a thought
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Where all forms of vampire fiction are concerned, the appeal to a female audience is, as LW points out, undeniable. It can additionally be well argued that vampires are far more attractive to females than they are to males and, hence, the reason why such fictions tend to focus more on its inherent female audience. "Twilight" is only the latest fiction phenomenon to exemplify this fact.

So... what of history? What of the historical origins that far predate all such vampire literature and movies? Do they likewise tend to focus primarily on vampires as also being male? In fact, they most certainly do.

From the first written mention of a "vampire" in 1047 CE (when "Father Vampire Insatiable" first wrote down his name thusly), most vampires were recorded to have been male. Additionally, far predating the accounts of such vampires being blood-drinkers, they were instead far more known for their "insatiable sexuality."

As I have documented quite extensively at my own VR profile, all throughout Central and Eastern Europe the vampire "attacked" females not to drink their blood but instead to have sex with them to the extent that such females eventually became "exhausted and emaciated" from their apparently quite active participation with the "vampire" in such apparent long-lasting multiorgasmic sexual congress. And it was this that had such female "victims" resemble those suffering from the "plague" of Tuberculosis. And it was this that gave vampires the reputation of being "plague carriers," which reputation they appear to have had long before their later reputation as, again, blood drinkers.

So... if "vampires" were historically and originally most known for possessing "unlimited" or "insatiable" sexuality ... why males? After all, aren't females really the ones most capable of such "insatiable sexuality" (mulitorgasmic capacity)?

The answer here is an unqualified ... YES!

In fact, it can be well argued that only females are naturally capable of true multiorgasmic ability given that they do not have a "down time" that limits their ability to continue on and on no matter how many orgasms they might enjoy. No... this doesn't mean that all females are multiorgasmic. But it does mean that all females have the natural potential for multiple orgasms. Men, on the other hand, are not naturally capable of this. Instead, for a normal man to experience multiple orgasms... he must, instead, learn certain techniques whereby he must stop natural orgasm so as to avoid the normal "down time" that otherwise he would experience after natural orgasm.

So, then... why males? Why aren't most vampires in the historical accounts female if the female is far more sexually capable?

The answer is surprisingly simple and... in fact... solves the entire question of the historical vampire at the same time: since ancient times, females' "insatiable" sexual capacity has been well documented in all cultures. From the Bible to far more ancient texts, men have portrayed women often as being sexually "insatiable." This was not anything surprising. Thus, no point at all in attempting to portray women as some preternatural or supernatural being for possessing that which was so common the world over.

However... were a small group of males encountered who so uncharacteristically possessed the same insatiable sexuality that equaled that of the female... such males would, indeed, have seemed quite literally preternatural (beyond normal). And, thus, they would have been viewed as being very strange and very suspect.

From this, it was only a small step that began the process of systemic viliification and demonization that resulted ultimately in portraying such a unique race of males as being ... evil.

This explains fully why and how the "vampire" (insatiable feaster) came to be... and why they were all originally male.

What further indicates this as the true origin of the "Vampire" is the fact that females were at about the same time also being very similarly demonized in Western Europe for the VERY SAME THING ("All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women insatiable -- Malleus Maleficarum [The Witch's Hammer]).

Thus... in those times... women who were sexually insatiable were demonized as witches. And those extremely rare men who were likewise sexually insatiable (a far RARER capacity) were even more demonized as being something far more supernatural: "Vampires."


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I believe Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles is the antithesis of this topic. Vampire origins in the books were traced to Enkil and Akasaha; a metaphorical Adam and Eve I always thought. But eventually Akasha, the Queen of the Damned, destroyed Enkil making her sole 'ruler'.

Despite this, it can also be noted that most of the main characters in the series are male- Lestat, Louis, Marius, Armand, Magnus and the list goes on. Most of them even have their respective books.

I agree with the previous comments here that this type of genre is generally more appealing and thus targeted to females than males. Authors have a tendency to make the characters someone that females can swoon over or idolize.


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15:14:29 Aug 09 2010
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Anne Rice's Enkil and Akasha are based on the Egyptian deities Osirus and Isis, which predates Adam and Eve by centuries. There's even a death and resurrection which predates Christianity. Horus is their son, and shares many of Osirus' powers.

Interesting that we have this ostensibly heterosexual couple and their offspring which - mythologically speaking - transform into Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Whoops what happened to Mom?

Then, we get to Rice and all those vampires you mentioned, all of whom are kinda gay, or at least androgynous in their vampire form. Not super hetero, by any means. Kinda like the Christian Jesus.

My point being that all fiction and mythology feeds off other fiction and mythology.



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we all know i think that the ancient hebrews (which did come from egypt) were a very patriarchal society. oddly tho, they also once had a level of equality...that is there were female goddesses as well as the gods of the hebrew people...but as the other gods were absorbed or ignored, or demonized, so were the goddesses.
i think the monotheistic thing came directly from the egyptian worship of the aton.

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16:37:57 Aug 09 2010
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I was going to point out that certain "androgynous" characteristic of Rice's vampires. But I thought that that quality was not unique of her vamps. Her vampires were more romanticized compared to previous and more popular depictions of the monster; sometimes to the point of being being sulky and wussy. It's also interesting to note that a lot of vampire films now tend to blur the lines between sexes. Lesbian vampires and, as you said, gay vampires are becoming commonplace. Personally, I thought it didn't matter since they're technically dead anyway. ;)


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17:30:21 Aug 09 2010
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Yes and Genesis is just a revamped version of the the ancient Sumerian story of Gilgamesh third Millenium BC.



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As narration of monsters progressed, it was necessary to write in a chink into the monsters "indomitable" nature. As the traditional methods faded, the monsters were adjusted to be prone to human emotions, and Human condition. So was the demographic aimed at woman?

Did the destructive Monster (gore) attract males?

Sure spook the reader, but make the monster subjugate to mere mortals.



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thank you, Waits ftmoon, Gilgamesh was 2 parts human, one part god, or was it the other way around. Anyway, it predates Egyptian mythology and starts a thread that continues today. Who the heck is Enkidu? A man? to me that means in an original form Enkidu was a woman transposed into a man by patriarchal usurpers.

lol. Sorry, I even crack myself up. Nevertheless, check it out.



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