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Infernalmage
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Ptolemy came up with the system that takes into account the earths rotation and its placement of the astrological houses. This is the concept of Sidereal Astrology. Does anyone have an up-to-date listing of where the astological houses would be? If so since these change every 70.5 years, does anyone have a continuation of it for the next 141 years?




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Here is more information on Sidereal Astrology...

www.lunarplanner.com



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I did not know it change about every 70 years, must have made to many changes with time to be able to keep track, I mean in the past aot was not kept up to date, so probably no info will be acurate enought today.



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The last update I have found was done in 1930, from a promenant astrologer that was updated till 2002, I was looking for the next 140 is that was possible, with both shifts, however I am being led to think since it adds one day every 70.5 years that all i have to do, is adjust it by the 68.5 years that is missing off of the current information that I have. However since the chart started in 786 bce, it would be an enormous pain in the backside to calculate everything, despite away to pass time.....



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This sounds very intriguing. Does anyone have any more information on this subject



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19:00:03 Aug 02 2007
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All I know is what I have been able to find online.



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21:53:20 Aug 02 2007
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i myself have not got in any detail on this subject at hand and would love to know more about this as well...i will have to check into the link that was posted;maybe,it will shed some light on the subject.



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22:05:04 Aug 02 2007
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I don't know much about this but thank you for posting it.... It's worth looking into further...



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I was aware of the shifts, but I guess somehow figured it was closer to 700 years than 70. I had no idea my calculations were so far off! This will make for hours of fascinating research.



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18:49:25 Aug 03 2007
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Here's what I found on it. Interesting. Might help ya.

www.lunarplanner.com/siderealastrology.html



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that site says it changes every 72 years.? "". This causes the vernal axis and the vernal (equinox) points to move around the ecliptic at a rate of about 1° every 72 years, making one complete cycle in Earth's precessional Great Year"" .? didn't you just say 70.5, or was thatfor a different type of cycle.?



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02:18:30 Aug 04 2007
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To many bloody numbers......the book, gates of the necronomicon, has an updated list of the dates current till 2018......hahaha, that makes things so much easier.....i can put off the math.....



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The classical zodiac of Greek astronomy as defined by Ptolemy is tropical in nature, defining the signs relative to vernal equinox regardless of the position of constellations. Western astrology traditionally uses this system.

Sidereal astrology ties its signs of the zodiac to the actual constellations.


Changing position of the vernal equinox. The red line is a section of the apparent path traced by the Sun through the Earth's year. The red/green line is a projection of the Earth's equator onto the celestial sphere. The crossing point of these two lines is the spring equinox. In 1500 BCE it was near the end of the Aries constellation, in 500 BCE it was near the beginning of the Aries constellation, and in CE 150 (the time of Ptolemy) it was in the center of the Pisces constellation.The precession of the equinoxes, a phenomenon discovered c. 130 BC by Hipparchus and known to Ptolemy, results in a shift between the two systems of about one degree every 70 years.

The vernal equinox lay near the beginning of the Aries constellation around 500 BC, consistent with a Babylonian origin of the system.

While classical tropical astrology is based on the orientation of the Earth relative to the Sun and planets of the solar system, sidereal astrology deals with the position of the Earth relative to both of these as well as the stars of the celestial sphere. The actual positions of certain fixed stars as well as their constellations is an additional consideration in the horoscope. (Over very long astronomical time scales, these fixed stars are of course themselves far from stationary.)

Some sidereal astrologers denounce tropical astrologers for failing to relate to the "actual heavens," seeing in this a fundamental degeneration of the subject (Kenneth Bowser, The Traditional Astrologer magazine, (Ascella), Issue 14, May 1997, pp.23-27 [



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05:31:39 Aug 21 2007
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I had no idea that astrology changed so much , It is very intrigiuging, And Im looking into it,



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http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/index.htm



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