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Morality Without Religion

01:02 Sep 28 2010
Times Read: 507


Morality Without Religion: An in-depth look at why one needs no religion to hold good morals.







By: NamaahFelenora aka Modesty aka LeAnn Jones



"The morals and values of Western man derive from religious beliefs that he is ceasing to hold. He therefore needs to reevaluate his values." ~Friedrich Nietzsche~



Since the beginning of time, man has done good and bad according to his own will, and through the ages, he has learned on a trial and error basis what works for some and what is offending to others; that which we call morals. These morals were the actions and reactions of man to certain situations in his daily life. Nowadays, morals are considered to be a fixed set of rules that each individual tries to live their life by, and that everyone can agree upon, but not all of society abides by these rules which ends up in disagreements, arguments, miscommunication, and in turn ending up in murder, rape, battery, sodomy, and all other forms or immoral actions and behavior. When the very first man walked earth, there was no structured religion, yet by his errors and downfalls, future generations have learned what is correct and what isn't. It was mans common sense and his own experiments that taught us fire is hot when you touch it, you die if you jump off a cliff, water is safe to drink, rattlesnakes are poisonous, and certain animals will kill you. Although most religions place strong emphasis on practicing good morals, our common sense, education, and feeling of what is right and wrong are the keys to morality and prove that religion is not the cause, nor has it ever been, for moral standards.



The worlds major religions teach that what is written in their holy book is sacred. Each holy book contains a set of morals (The Ten Commandments for example) in which we are raised to follow with our heart and soul, for if we ever do not abide by these rules we shall surely go to Hell. But we fail to realize that each of these holy books was written by men, not God. And just as man has written these books for specific religions, he has also created the religions and the faith, which show that morality and morals come from people, not religion.



There is a rise of morality throughout religion, due to a rise in the number of religious followers. No one ever said this was a bad thing in fact its quite nice, because religion does instill good moral practices in people, but religion is not responsible for these morals.



My grandmother on my fathers side, who recently passed away, has been religious all her life and was a hardcore Pentecostal woman. She wore no make-up, no jewelry, watched no TV, wore dresses only, read her bible faithfully every night, and attended church twice a week. She has also smoked cigarettes her entire life (which is part of what killed her). I remember that she would always tell me that your body is a temple because it is part of the Lord Jesus. I would ask her if this is true, then why does she smoke? Why does she fill her body with dirty substances that will desecrate her temple? She, of course, said it was a bad habit. But is smoking morally right? Is it morally right that she smokes but tells others not to? Is that hypocritical? Is it morally okay in a sympathetic way for her to tell others not to smoke, which is trying to save their lives, while she is destroying hers? Is addiction a good or bad moral? Usually when teens experiment with smoking, some of them go on to try marijuana and even the harder drugs after that. The fact that out of her nine children, five of them smoke, and two of them I know have done more, is grounds to question if religion really does teach good morals, or is it the people behind the religion whom are responsible for the good or ill behavior and actions of their offspring growing up?



In a debate between Alan Keyes and Alan Dershowitz, the topic of skeptics practicing morality came up. The answer was, Yes. But their morality in and of itself, is not defensible. (Christian Courier: Penpoints, Religion and Morality: The Connection by Wayne Jackson) Since when does morality have to defend itself? It does not, and should not matter what religion you are, your morals are no less valid or important than the next person, religious or not. In the world of morals, anything is possible, that is why we have good and bad morals.



It is true that statistics have shown that those who attend church have low crime rates, but this is largely due to the fact that while they are raised, they are told they'll go to Hell, so they fear this damnation where their soul will burn eternally. The only difference between people who believe in God and those who don't are not the validity of their morals but, the fact one believes in God and the other doesn't. His morals are not failed because of disbelief.



Non-religious people are not driven by a fear of Hell and punishment if they do wrong, but a fear of doing wrong, period. Therefore, non-religious people are more caring of themselves and others because their morals are done out of the good of themselves and not the fear of some unseen force or congregation. The fear of being immoral is not out of fear of God, but of fear of what we will suffer through society for our deeds.



Religion does not make morals it just emphasizes the good practice of them. What about the bible? God flooded the earth and killed all humans, animals, and plants, destroying everything in his path (except Noah and two of every animal of course) because he was dissatisfied by their behavior and immoral actions. Was it morally okay for a supreme being to demolish everything living? Is it morally okay for a child to throw a temper tantrum and break all of his toys because his mom won't give him an ice cream? God is supposed to be good, the creator of all, an omnipotent, omniscient being, yet he allows bad things to happen. But good and evil do compliment each other. One cannot be without the other, therefore religion echos bad morals also.



What about Christian parents who raise their child, teach them right from wrong, and watch them blossom into Christianity, a full-fledged, caring, and responsible adult? Years later this child becomes an atheist. Does this mean he does not still hold the same morals or his morals mean less or they don't hold the same relevance or validity then when he was Christian? Now turn the tables around. You have an atheist family who teaches their child the same morals that the Christian family taught their child, and their child grows up the same way, as a caring responsible adult and years later, converts to Christianity. His morals will still be with him because they came from home, through the love of others, his parents, not religion.



A belief in no God does not make you an immoral person. It simply makes you a believer of nothing, no supreme being, no unseen entity, and while man is imperfect and makes mistakes, even in Christianity, the morals handed down to us by our parents and teachers are common sense, and are not followed strictly to the T in any society.



Since God is not perceivable with any of the five senses, how do we know Heaven exists? If we say faith, then what is the difference between a religious and non-religious persons morals? No matter the religion, if you have faith in your morals, regardless of if you are religious or not, then they stand strongly, and no one, not any religion, can tell you otherwise. If religions of the world believe God is for pleasure and not pain, then why is sex forbidden in certain religions and considered immoral before marriage in others? Sex is pleasurable to all, and without it, there would be no creation of new life.



Would I commit a crime? Its possible that I could if I weren't thinking straight, but if you ask anyone why they would or wouldn't commit a crime, the likely response will be because they'll go to jail. Rarely does anyone ever say because it is wrong.



People who are religious do good because they are taught they will go to Hell, so they live their life doing good but only to satisfy their religion, not out of the good of themselves. These people are selfish. People with truly good morals do things because they want to do them. If a person has faith in them that their morals are true and caring of others, as well as themselves, then that is true religion in and of itself. One doesn't need a structured religion to teach this, man can distinguish this by his own feelings of what is right and wrong.



"And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." ~George Washington~



"as for certain truth, no man has known it,



Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods



Nor yet of all things of which I speak,



For even if by chance he were to utter



The final truth, he would himself not know it:



For all is but a woven web of guesses."



~Xenophanes~



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Unoriginality

00:48 Sep 28 2010
Times Read: 508


In reading Louis H. Sullivans essay entitled Thought, we are given an interesting view on creativity using words or other forms of expression. He tells us that beyond words are the fine arts, that which lies beyond man But in so much as we would like to believe that we are all capable of understanding this vast structure of creativity, we simply cannot even begin to grasp the concept itself. We then have to ask ourselves, does originality come from inside a person, or does it stem from creative concepts inside another persons originality? Although most of what we deem original by our own standards is, our originality, like a chain reaction, comes from ideas and thoughts expressed by others.







Our creativity comes from influence. What we see and read everyday influences us in some way. When we are influenced we start thinking, and with this thinking come ideas that we bring forth and put into action. When this is done we have something original. Or is it? We were influenced, we got an idea, and we acted on it. But this creative spark was done somewhere else. We created something that was already created. We added to someone elses originality. Changing functions or words until it becomes our own is not originality, but is for lack of a better term, borrowed originality.







If a group of people are in the mountains sitting under a tree, no one speaking to each other, they will all in some way have some kind of thought pertaining to that tree. Maybe the tree inspired them to write a story, or a music piece, or something. Now imagine these people back at their everyday jobs using this new idea. If one of these people happens to be a teacher that uses this idea as an assignment and this inspires one of the kids to write about something pertaining to a tree, then that is the chain reaction I am talking about. The child was inspired to write about a tree in which the teacher was inspired to make the assignment because they were inspired by a tree in the mountains. The very essence of nature itself can spark ideas in our heads, and every individual on this planet, though they may say different, thinks exactly the same way at some point in their life. What we think of as original already exists in some way. It could have been done one hundred or even one thousand years before we existed or it could be happening at this very same time to someone else. The thoughts we are having now could be thoughts that others are thinking at the same time, or our thoughts could be manifesting into someone elses reality as we think them. Whatever the case is, it is hard to say that our thoughts are our own. Thoughts lead to creativity; creativity to originality; but originality is not original if it was influenced by someone or something else.







The only originality we have is creativity. There can never be any originality in the world because originality is something unique and uniqueness does not exist in a world where thoughts form from other peoples thoughts and ideas. Creativity is something that everyone is capable of, but calling your creative endeavors original is like calling buttered popcorn original when popcorn already existed because of a thought that someone else had which in turn is a thought that was influenced by the ideas and thoughts of another person.



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What is Human?

00:37 Sep 28 2010
Times Read: 511


In the years I have spent debating with people over the topic of what makes a person human, most have told me God is what makes us human. That we were created by some omniscient being that cannot be perceived with any of the five senses is the result of a few lost marbles. Assuming that these people are correct that some god did in fact create us, does that make us human? No, it does not. For one, being created is just the first step, but its a very vague one. What comes after the creation is what can be labeled as human. People cannot seem to dig deep enough and see that we are human because of our actions and how we react to situations.



My poor example of this follows: If I were God and I made people out of clay, then they have been created only. What they do with their life, and how they react, and how they live and talk and walk and think and feel, are results of their own being, not my creation. I guess what I mean is, creating a human out of clay is just about as far fetched as God creating us.



When it comes to discussing humans and computers, there is an extreme difference of what can be called human. Of course some people can say that between a human and a computer, the human is obviously human. And they are right. But it doesn't and shouldn't stop there. They fail to give their reasons as to why something is what it is. A computer is an object that can be plugged into the wall and in so doing it comes alive by doing most of the thinking for us. But humans are living and breathing creatures and we can think for ourselves without having to be programmed.



Programming is also an issue that arises out of this. Some people are programmed to think a certain way, but even after this occurs, they are still human due to how they react to certain situations. Computers can react as well but not in the same way. Just as humans die from fatal diseases, some computers shut down altogether from viruses but that does not make the computer human in any way.



Back to the definition that most people seem to give about what makes us human, God. We hear people say that if it were not for God we would not be here. But how do they know this is true? That definition does not stand well and has no solid evidence of proof. What I intend to argue here is that we are humans because of our personality and our actions and not because someone said we were made by some ethereal being.



Emotions, Experiences, The Ability to Reason, Sex and Attraction, Security, The Passing of Knowledge. These are the things that make us human.



Humans have several emotions ranging from happy and sad, to angry and aggressive. If I go into a liquor store and see someone get shot, I am going to feel terrible for the person who got shot and I would fear for my own life as well. Now, if I were to go into that same liquor store where there is a computer, do you think the computer would feel bad about someone getting shot? No. It is just a computer and has no feelings. Our ability to express feelings and emotions make us human.



If I am in a car accident with two other people, each of us will be having different thoughts go through our head while the accident is occurring. This is due to differences in experiences. A computer that's in a car accident wont feel anything, but it will be completely destroyed. A person might feel bad for the computer getting bashed up, but the computer will feel nothing. Our experiences, which cause us to feel emotions, make us human.



If I am having a really bad day and get into some trouble with another person, I can reason with them (or hope I can) about things. It may not always work, but we have the ability to do this. A computer has no ability to reason at all. Our ability to reason makes us human.



We, as people, experience attraction to others. We become interested, date, fall in love, and then engage in sexual activity. Not once have I ever seen a computer have sex. There is sex on the computer screen, but computers do not, and could not have sex. Our ability to become sexually stimulated and attracted to others, make us human.



When we become adults and have children of our own, we sense a new security that comes from being a new parent. We feel the need to protect our children from harm. When we do this, we are providing our own kids with the knowledge they will need for when they are grown and have their own children. Computers cannot physically protect another person. Our sense of security makes us human.



We have learned from experience and from our parents and teachers about what is right and wrong. We have incorporated this into our own beliefs and have passed this on to others. We are able to spread knowledge to others by spoken or written word. Computers cannot do this without the help of humans. Computers lack self. Our ability to provide knowledge to others, make us human.



We are human because of our personalities. Our fears also make us human. The fact that we can physically destroy things after creating them shows that we are human. The tendencies we have towards things and the desires we show for others make us unique as people. Human is understanding.





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I hate AXE!

00:22 Sep 28 2010
Times Read: 514


Yeah thats right.



Let's see...so far, every scent of Axe makes me want to vomit turdlets. The commercials have the half naked chics sleazily groping at some dude who supposedly has the stinky shit on, thus making men in society think, "oooo if I wear Axe, I'll have a hot mama like that all over my shit." Well, buddy, no ya won't. You'll just smell like shit.



I think they go all out on the commercials to make up for the fact that they have a shitty product.


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UnInterficioDeOffesa
UnInterficioDeOffesa
00:37 Sep 28 2010

Turdlets..? I never heard that one before.. I haven't seen any of the commercials due to not really watching tv but then again aren't majority of commercials on tv like that for that sole purpose..?





NamaahFelenora
NamaahFelenora
01:07 Sep 28 2010

Yeah you are right commercials are out to sell stuff, but Axe still sucks. lol





 

People come and go

01:27 Sep 23 2010
Times Read: 520


I've been thinking back on the last 10 years of my life.



People have come and gone but yet they still linger.



There are those I haven't spoken to for a while and those that have lost all contact with me but yet they are right there online and they never say anything.



I think about some of these people frequently and wonder what it is they are doing with their lives. I think about all the great times we had and the not so great times.



A couple of them I had a falling out with and to my surprise, over a year later, they contact me online saying they are concerned about me and felt they needed to get in touch.



I responded to them to not be concerned about me for they left my side as a friend a long time ago.



People come and go, and they seem to think that with their absence all is suddenly better.



It doesn't work that way.



As far as I am concerned, the world continues to turn, I am getting older, and people are getting stupider.


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I HATE WOW

22:38 Sep 16 2010
Times Read: 526


I hate WOW. It is a mindless, useless, idiotic, boring game.



I will NOT pay to play a game. Ever! Fuck that. In fact, I don't play games at all. I READ. I WRITE. I do the things that most of society has forgot to do.



And THIS is the kind of shit that makes me wonder what happened to decent folk?



Those addicted to WOW are just like those that get brainwashed by religious cults and scandals.



Fuck WOW!



Power to the BOOKS yo!


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Fuck the mortgage company!

22:29 Sep 16 2010
Times Read: 527


So I am selling my home and the mortgage company is pissing me off. I can't ever seem to get anyone that knows English. Do you know how absolutely fucking frustrating this is?


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Here I come mom!

22:28 Sep 16 2010
Times Read: 529


I am going back home to moms. That's right. I am 35 and selling my house and moving back in with my mom. Not really a bad thing, because my mortgage was outrageous so now I will be able to save some damn money.


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Paranormally challenged?

23:43 Sep 09 2010
Times Read: 539


Ha! I am glad to finally shed my skin of the quack jobs I was working with in a paranormal group. They were paranormally challenged in my opinion. Couldn't tell the difference between a piece of poop on a hair and evidence in a picture. Rather disturbing.

I got tired of all the holier than thou attitudes and the battle of the psychics. Paranormal groups need REAL scientific approaches to their studies and investigations, NOT a bunch of self-proclaimed psychics running around spouting off that they see things that others don't clearly because there ISN'T anything there. Fucking idiots.



Good news. I have merged my old group with a friends group. Getting it back together and going to show this stupid ass fake group here in town how shit is really done.



Really I'm not conceited, I just know what the fuck I am doing.



tata


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xxBlueFairyxx
xxBlueFairyxx
03:36 Sep 10 2010

I think what you do is really neet, I would love to learn how to do real ghost hunting.





 

Getting back on track

21:20 Sep 08 2010
Times Read: 543


So I am starting to get back on track with things. It will be a slow process.



My divorce is going through finally. Can't wait till that bastard is no longer a part of any of my thoughts.



School has began again and I have a big part in both of my boys schooling. Ball games, homework, etc. I'm there.



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