This story relates to the article posted below.
Apparently a man in Italy attended Mass at a Church, during the ceremony he pulled out his own eyeballs.
What on earth would make somebody do this?
Angels, Deamons, some Holy Spirit or was it just somebody who had a mental illness taking the bible too literally? Your vies and knowledge on other similar incidents please?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3849743/Man-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html
Schizophrenic break perhaps. Much like the man on the greyhound bus. I would cry 'Demon' just yet, without knowing the mans past mental health history.
Intense psychosomatic pain in/around the eyes can cause this. Like people who drill holes in their heads in a desperate attempt to relieve a headache or cutting themselves with razor blades to alleviate unbearable pressure.
Has this pressure ever been measured?
Or is this a medical guess?
Reminds me of Dr's leech therapy in the 18th century, after all 99.9% of people with mental illness do not pull out out their eyeballs and why during "mass"
The two certainly seem linked, if only by a tortured mind.
I take the Bible 100% literally.
Perhaps he just thought it was a good day for eye removal.
maybe some sort of mental episode and/or maybe he saw something that scared him so bad he thought it was the only way to make the visions stop
Insane?
After almost 38 years on this mudball, what this person did sounds completely sane to me.
Elaboration not necessary. My point stands on it's own. If you missed my point, that is not my fault.
Also, my discussion is not with you nnm.
sounds like the guy was just crazy! either that or just wanted the attention..hmm maybe his eye was fake?
I'd put it down to some sort of mental illness. Sadly, strong religious beliefs seem only to add to delusions (If movies are anything to go by...) and it would seen perfectly acceptable to pluck out your eyeballs if God or Jesus told you to.
He may not even be crazy per say. People interpret religion in different ways.
I would have said sheer boredom....but that's a little over the top...then I would have said...fanaticism...after all it fits the profile...but that implies a form of dedication...so I guess I have to go with sacrifice. I think this is only a prelude to an even greater trend that will arise in the coming year.
If thine eye offend thee pluck it out as the scripture states. There's a history of sever body mortification with Catholics of certain countries. There are still flagellants who beat themselves until bloody, as a sign of their godly commitment
The strength and dedication to pull out both eyes is something navy seals would admire.
I wonder why his eyes offended god? must be a mascara thingy.
A number of personality disorders, especially Schizophrnia and Borderline personality Disorder have a long list of people who have harmed themselves in devastating ways. Not only this, but the article states that the voices had told him to do it? Auditory hallucinations.
When someone is in the depths of a psychotic or schizophrenic episode, it is almost as if they are removed from themselves, viewing their actions and body from inside their own head. Physical pain is dulled making it possible for humans to do the unthinkable to their bodies. So it stands to reason that gouging his eyes out is totally possible.
One book I read was of a woman who recounted her story about the developments, pique and finally management of her Schizophrenia. At one point she describes digging into her foot with glass until she reached the bone. Afterwards, running out into the snow with said foot still bleeding and gouged out. (The book was called 'Welcome Silence' by Carol North)
There have been other recordings of people with personality disorders on the extreme end of the spectrum, who have ripped parts of their skin off, lopped off fingers and other such self inflicted acts of harm.
I am not ruling out an evil prscence however there a lot we dont know about the dude. You would have to ask the man if he was ever emotionally triggered by Mass, or attending church. Perhaps it was one or a series of precipitating events that occured, and the mass ceremony was the catylist for this unfortunate event.
I wonder if neuro-science is now sufficiently advanced to detect if the "voices" are generated in the subjects normal brain areas or if they are generated in higher areas of the brain?
Wouldn't it be interesting if the impulses were generated in areas of the brain associated with dream state?
I believe there is research completed on that matter, something I'll look into!!! I think I have read something in the past about what areas of the brain are stimulated or shut down when a person is experiencing a psychotic episode.
Thanks for the idea. I'll post here if I find anything :)
http://www.schizophrenia.com/disease.htm
It's not from the American Psychiatric Association, but is a credible educational resource.
You are welcome, I ask as many societies do not think such disorders are entirely chemical/brain imbalances.
Many believe they are "dis-ease" of a spiritual nature, interfering third parties if you like.
Autism is also under scrutiny.
I wonder if the "dark energy/ Emf's are involved.
If so we cannot detect their presence using conventional technology.
An entity may occupy the same neurological pathways but in a completely different dimension or at an undetectable frequency.
4th dimensional parasites?
As a caveat, this would also explain humans being "turned" during sex etc
Also why some do not survive the process and why some go mad, such as this poor fellow at the Church.
It would also explain the 3 gifts...some speak of.
Not only would an entity know everything in your own mind, a superior intellect from another dimension may view this as a symbiotic relationship.
After all, some manic depressives such as Stephen Fry are extraordinarily smart.
It's an interesting theory, one that I think is totally possible, we just don't know.
What you suggest reminds me of the idea that your body mind and soul are connected. When someone experiences trauma within their soul, or a difficulty, this may develop into a physical symptom or illness. So perhaps it's possible for this to happen to the mind as well.
Entertaining the idea that a prescence invades a person's mind and brain... its plausible that a person may not survive this, or may 'go crazy'.
“If one were to take the bible seriously one would go mad. But to take the bible seriously, one must be already mad.” Aleister Crowley
I think that pretty much sums it up.
^ Your validity is off.
The somataform pain that causes people to do things like that has been measured and documented but the measurements vary. He could have been in any amount of pain, but more likely he had an imbalance.
There's a verse in the bible that says something along the lines of "If your eyes have led you to evil, it is best you cut them out to spare the rest of you". It was supposed to put things into perspective, not to be taken literally. What are the leash laws in Italy I wonder...
Well the pain itself is like an intoxicant, almost alcoholic trancing effect on some people as they see what they're doing as virtuous, and a sign of spiritual growth.
I think they exaggerate the strength required to pluck out they eyes.
Pain and suffering are a useful plea to the Gatekeeper...see my entry on E+MC2 (The crying Monkey)
Interesting, how would you know?
I,ll trust the surgeon that treated the poor fellow...i.e. it ain't easy...
No idea.. I would think the strength would be from being able to do it regardless of the pain. I wouldn't think it would take much physical strength to pull someone's eyes from their sockets, they aren't attached by much more than tissue.
he must have taken that bible verse too literal about the eyes offending and the plucking out. some religious people do extreme things thinking it will prove themselves to their god
Actually...your eyes are attached by so much more than just tissue SingingGhost...the surgeon is correct, it would take a tremendous amount of strength to rips one's own eyes from their sockets...it is more likely he gouged them and ruptured the balls...to actually rip the globes "out?"...sounds far-fetched and over-written in the news there.
Simply...the anatomy of the eyeball...it is an extension of the brain...thus attached to the brain by the rather large cord-like optic nerve and also held into place by six muscles responsible for eye movement and alignment....and also cushioned and surrounded by orbital fat, fascia, eyelids, lashes...the lids themselves are thicker than one would think.
The eye itself does not have much blood in it but vitreous...a jelly-like material that acts as a shock absorber from traumatic injury. The amount of blood reported is most likely from self-inflicted lacerations to the eyelids surrounding the eyes and not the actual injury of the eyeballs themselves. The lids are pumping with some of the smallest of arteries and can pump out a good volume in no time at all....just watch a youtube on Blepharoplasty...aka...Droopy Old Eyelid Lifts...bloody good mess if you ever want to see one...;)
God...I miss Day surgery...:P
oh ...one more thing...:P
May as well pluck your brain out through your own nose...all you need is an ice pick right?...o.O Ickkk...:P
*shudders*
Yuck. I always assumed the eyes were only connected by strands of tissue, not that complicated. Should have known, anything attached to the brain is going to be more complex than just mere tissue.
Here's something I read today though that reminded me of this discussion. Psychologist Julian Jayes created a theory that in 2000 B.C.E. humans had no introscpective consciousness, essencially their minds were divided in two and the left hemispehere followed commands from the right. These commands were in the form of auditory hallucinations, and interpreted as Gods.
On top of this, patients who under go split brain surgery, where one half of the brain is fully removed, may experience havin to battle their own hands. Alien Hand syndrome.
What if it is a combination of these two things, caused by a lack of communication between the two brain hemispheres that caused this man to tear out his eyes????
I work with the mentally ill, and I can tell you 99.9% do engage in some sort of self injury, it's all a matter of what it is. All behaviors are a result of something, you just have to be good at figuring out what the trigger is.
Sish, I've worked with mentally ill people myself and there's a lot organically involved