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This may be a strange topic but it is something that I have wondered about. Are there any among you that can feel a change in the Spiritual atmosphere around you? Is there anyone else that can feel the difference between something that wants to just communicate and something that seeks to harm you?

Yes, very much so. I have observed flows of energy all my life and the energy change is very distinctive when a spirit, or other such creature is involved. There was a time that I did communicate with spirits, welcomed it. I found it opened a door to others to contact me too. Other things... not so pleasant. Despite what some people think, I know the spirit world is dangerous even with all the best precautions taken.

Have you ever gone into a place and instantly didn't like it? Couldn't explain it, it wasn't the room or you didn't like the design or the people, you just didn't like being there? Imagine that feeling coupled with being able to see the dark flowing energy, slowing eating at people's auras, draining them of energy. I have seen that. I have also been to places that glowed with such positive blinding light it almost hurt to look at. I have seen angels, and though I have felt them many times, once and only once I have seen a demon and I wish never to again.

Do you have a sensitivity that you would like to talk about or something you would like to understand better?

~Darken

I might agree with that if my mindset was black vs white, which it's not. So i have to disagree. I will not be the one to say what is angelic and what is demonic because people are usually quick to define energies as "evil or good". The world at one point was accepting that BOTH energies existed together. The introduction of them being seperate came later through the changes of teachings and belief systems. I believe energies can be conjured up by people who give it life, and i believe that people over-exaggerate things by putting labels on things of which they really do not have answers for, just feelings they go by. Feelings of which can be manipulated, much like energies can be. It's typically easy in my book that if you don't like the energies you feel around you.....change it. If you go into something feeling bad about it, or afraid of it, then it's a feeling that needs to be confronted because running away from it, will not fix it. If you feel something wants to try and communicate with you....clear your thoughts, go into it with a positive and open mind and allow your own energies to be the guide. You also have shielding techniques you can use before going into it if you feel insecure about it, but why go into anything with insecurities to begin with? :)

Just my thoughts.

~LOG

I definitely sense changes in a place.
I try to keep myself open to shifts or at least pay attention more closely when something suddenly alters in a room.

It happens all the time. I'll be sitting down, when suddenly something just makes me look up. So I clear my head and try to focus on it. It feels like someone has just walked behind you and the air moves a little. Odd.

Or going to a place for the first time, I always try to see if I can feel anything about it or not. And then of course everyone should try and learn ways of cutting it off too. When I'm paying attention to it, I can almost put my mind to a place where I won't be distracted by changing energies.

But if I'm relaxed or doing something else, I can't keep it up. Guess I just need more practice.

And you attribute this all to spirits?

Humans are pretty sensitive to changes in electromagnetics..sometimes to changes in Barometric pressure.

not just spirits. and i agree with you full heartedly. :)

i am sensitive to the spirit world -not alot but some
i seen a guy and instantly knew he was a molester adn i never had seen him before
and i can feel when a place is haunted or when someone wants to kill me or is stalking me
i am probably sensitive to it becasue my parents were in a cult obssessed with demons when i was 6 years old
and i literally got tortured by unseen spirits when i was 6

LegionofGabriel - Oh I never said everything was black and white. Most things aren't. Some things, like morals, are and cannot be compromised with. Just to be clear what I mean by that, let me give you an example: an adult, who knows right from wrong and still commits vile acts against a child; that is an evil act. A murderer who kills people just for the enjoyment of killing, not for self defense or some such; that is an evil act. Those people probably do have some good in them, but by their choices they choose to do evil.

Spirits and energy is like that as well. Their energy reflects who they were in life, the choices they made, the path they chose for themselves defines them. I am not foolish enough to believe I can change the energy of something, or someone, that is intent on harm. I will not try to reason with things, or people, that do not abide by reason. Excusing, simplifying or compromising with evil acts is treason to the living, to life, our highest value. It doesn't matter that someone who commits vile acts against a child may have some good in them, I still think they should be castrated.

Good and evil, it's a very wide spectrum and most of us are somewhere in the middle, in tension between the two. But by our thinking mind we choose where we will be, our choices decide whether we choose good or bad. If one chooses to do evil acts then as far as I'm concerned, whatever good is in you doesn't outweigh them.

I'm not saying some energies can't be changed, I have changed my fair share. But evil exists and to deny it gives the murderer the same rights as the victim. You want to call it black and white, fine, go ahead; but I choose to call it accepting what is for what it is. Knowing the things that you can and cannot do is to know your limitations and when going into the spirit world or working with energy, knowing your limitations is of utmost importance. Believing you have none and can change those who choose to do evil (be they people or spirits or energy) is the worst kind of arrogance, that as best makes you look foolish and at worst can get you killed.

~Darken

What I have noticed is that the more people attempt to deny the existence of something other worldly the more interest and fascination people have regarding that subject. I mean, just look at all the TV shows and movies dealing with that area.

I think we all inherently know there is something beyond here. What do you think?

I always find it interesting how some people, like you said, inherently know. And others almost inherently deny it.

I'm with you on the subject. I will listen to other arguments and debates but have yet to hear anything that could change my personal beliefs. Science and all that is nifty and I'm not about to tell someone their wrong but I personally think there is something more than magnetic fields and pressure changes.

I've interacted and seen and sensed so many things that for me, they're spirits and I'm sure there is something other than a mundane life.

"LOL true ..and by the same token,not everything we sense as "energy",*indicates* spirits.In fact,again,Magnetics and Infrasound can make us feel EXACTLY the same way as the "spirits" supposedly do.So how do we ultimately know the difference?

Actually, I'd need to be in a crowd of people in order tp gauge that. I do see s small shift in general spirituality but not enough to say there's a major shift, anywhere.

I can tell the difference when I'm reading energy whether it's a spirit, just a magnetic field or ley lines, or if it's just leftover energy from a person, an energy imprint. I've been reading it since I was very little. There are distinctions if you know what to look for. It's not just about 'feeling', for me it's also seeing, with my naked eye, energy.

I don't disagree that a lot of people, even most I would say, misinterpret what they are feeling from energy and make the wrong assumptions. However, there are those of us out there that can tell the differences as easily as telling black from white.

~Darken

I was fortunate enough to learn from someone here on VR (sorry, I can't remember who right now) that I may be an Empath. I believe it's this ability that causes me to feel or sense things around me.

I have to admit that I never heard of "Empath" until it was mentioned to me but after doing some research I have come to find out that I do have some tendencies that make me believe that I have this ability. Now that I am aware of what it is I hope to develop it.

There are many resources you can find online. In fact there are electronic books from Amazon kindle on empathic abilities. Youtube.com has videos on the topic as well.

Yes, I can. There is an area in WNY called Clarence Hollow. When I pass through, I can feel a spiritual echo you would not believe.

There is a very specific feeling to something that wants to harm you that cannot be explained through words, only emotions. I my self only have a sensitivity so far as people, not necessarily spiritual beings that have no physical body. I believe I have encountered some before as to how I was feeling at the time was very...insidious to the things I was seeing. I don't think everything dark is always bad, but I think some things take advantage of those who do journey into the darkness.

Sometimes when I would feel these things around me, projected in my head would be the forms that they took upon. Very freaky looking stuff there... I believe at the time they wanted me for a specific purpose because I was new to the art of magick.

I have closed my self off to that particular part of my self because I know if I went into it deeper I would be able to see and feel things that are not of this world. I like the idea of thinking about what it's like in other worlds, but I guess I am just a little afraid of opening my self up to it because I know how some things are there. Perhaps one day I will decide to let my self see it, but not until I know I am ready to face it again.

I know there are spectacular things to see, things I have always wondered about, but for now it remains in visions and in dreams.

Whether we like this or not,sound may be at the bottom of most of these allegedly haunted sites and outdoor spots which trigger our perceived spiritual experiences.Infrasound causes people to have odd sensations just like the ones stated in this thread.And many other threads, actually.
Unusual "spiritual/ghosty experiences described time and time again... feeling uneasy or sorrowful, getting chills down the spine,aggitation and nervous feelings of revulsion or fear .I cant help but really consider that low frequency sound is a major player and causes millions of people to have these unusual experiences even though we cannot consciously detect the infrasound.
Infrasound is produced by storms, seasonal winds and weather patterns and some types of earthquakes,..traffic and so many other things.And it travels for miles... Animals such as elephants and Tigers use it(Infrasound) to communicate over long distances and as weapons to repel foes or territorial threats.Tigers use it to induce fear and immobilize prey..


So seriously,if we are feeling these things and cant hear the infrasound,we dont know we are being affected by it,and we think its spiritual.Naturally,we wouldnt know the difference at the time.
The implications are pretty substantial and it could help explain why people also claim that they cannot" make it go away" and that they are "cursed ".

Sound, magnetic fields, ley lines... all these can explain many events and feelings people think are spiritual. But they are not all. There are many dark things, many light things, many spirits out there as well. And for those with the right vision, can tell it is not due to any natural thing like impending thunderstorm, or low frequency sound. There are many 'haunted' places that are not truly haunted but can be explained. But there are many places that are.

~Darken

And you tell how again? I understand you explained it above,and I thank you for taking the time,but when I think of the validity of what one feels when they experience a spiritual event when under the influence of infrasound or magnetics,its just as real as a "real" or "right" as in" vision." So really,theres no way of telling fopr sure.

For most people, yes, hard to tell. For me, and others like me, who can SEE, not hard to tell at all. When I say SEE, that's exactly what I mean. I mean literally, with my eyes, SEE it.

Example: Walking through the woods at night, you feel something watching you, stalking you. But you don't know for sure something is, it could just be the environment playing on your fears, or it could just be a bird watching you. You don't have any real way to know. But you feel it, so maybe you pick up your steps and walk a little faster. But then you SEE the eyes and dark shape of a mountain lion stalking you. At that point you KNOW. For me it is that. I know, because I SEE. Understand?

~Darken

I understand more than you think.
Sigh,and thats just it.SEEING isnt all believing,because it can affect eyesight and cause visons as well.So,yes,while I do understand what you have told me,it still stands that we have no way of knowing whether it truely is a spirit,or a result of an enviromental element.

Gor me spiritual sensitivity as always been a matter of what you do to affect others positively and will enhance and change their lives and yours for the better.

Can you give me an example of a magnetic field or low frequency sound causing visions? Or what about the fact that I've been like this for as long as I can remember? Are you suggesting that a magnetic field or some such has been following me around my whole life? No matter where I go, like the cartoon cloud over someone's head?? I suppose you could suggest that perhaps it's the area where I live, maybe I'm living on one big magnetic field of some sort. Well that doesn't work either, since I've been to most of the states and traveled across the US, from ocean to ocean.

Just because YOU don't understand something or can't know for yourself that its' real and exists doesn't mean that it doesn't. It's fine if you want to say that you can't know for sure, but don't say that no one can know for sure, because that's not true and that's trying to place your own limitations and beliefs on someone else. I can accept that for you the spiritual may be shrouded in mystery and doubt, but that doesn't mean that it is for everyone, so don't suggest that it is.

When I was young I thought everyone saw the same, but by the time I was 6 I started to realize that they didn't and by the time I was 8 I knew I was different. For a long time I questioned whether it was all in my head or not. Until I met other people like myself, who saw the same things I did.

Maybe you need to get bit by something you don't believe is there before you accept its' reality. I don't need to question what I see, I know what is there.

Explain this one for me: Many years ago when I was still into visiting haunted places and searching out ghosts I was at a place called the Gatehouse, with several friends of mine. Some awful things had happened there which I won't go into any more detail other then it involved an old man and a bunch of kids. At one point myself and two others were in the basement taking pictures when all of a sudden a girl with me gasped. Turning to look at her I saw what I will describe as moving black tar. It was so dense I couldn't see through it, but it moved like smoke. No one else could see it. It was wrapped around her middle. She didn't understand what was happening other then she couldn't move and something was hurting her. I cast out a chant of protective energy, which made it release her (though I have no delusions that it got rid of the thing for good), and we got out of the place in a hurry.

Outside in the light were bruises around her middle and on her sides. Now, I know what happened there, but how would you care to explain it.

~Darken

"Can you give me an example of a magnetic field or low frequency sound causing visions? "

18 Hz is the resonant frequency of the human eye Darken.And being exposed to it causes the brain to go "WTF" in its attempt to make sense of what is going on. This extra processing can cause a mild headache in the area of the brain responsible for processing sight, which result in odd uneasy/queasy feelings and mild visual hallucinations.
Seriously. I know guys who live in "haunted" Salem, MA and have they have found ta standing 18 Hz signal in quite a few of these "haunted" sites.
Also,you might be interested in work thats been going on at Laurentian University in Canada, by Michael Persinger. There is quite a bit of information and plenty of accounts,and they are finding that this is the case when we are subjected to magnetic fields and infrasound.
As far as it following you around? No,I do think that happens.But the Earth is covered in a magnetic grid so Im pretty sure we step into these fields often.Not only that,but our world is polluted with things like leaky transformers and sources of infrasound that might be hundreds of miles away from a person experiencing a "ghostly " encounter.
I hate to say this,but your assumption that I dont understand shows me just how much you DONT see .If you TRUELY had "vision" you would never have even said such a thing.FYI,Ive been going through and experiencing strange things all of my life too,Not just in the United states,but all over the world...so lets not go into that whole "you are mundane and dont believe cause you talk science" BS k?
The difference between you and I is not that I do not have these experiences just as you do,but that I look for and consider ALL available possibilites.Expecially when they have merit.

As for your demand for an explaination for your episode.
Not sure about the brusies,but I can tell you that people DO experience mass hallucinations from time to time.Ive had it happen myself,with my sister.Its a form of entrainment and is a natural mechanism .So really,all the embelishments are most likely products of our own thought processes.
LOL And hey,Im not saying that this is it people!But I am saying these things are the source of 99% of it .

I cannot express enough how much this planet and its direct space is governed by physics and cycles...shapes and resonance.
Darken,Im not so sure you have the right in this debate to personally take into account and point, on assumption, MY personal belief system when you do not even know what it is.
I have never cared who believes what here,still dont. Please know that I dont assume about yours.
You claim them openly.
I dont claim mine .
However,I do enjoy your posts,and know we can go farther with this topic without going into personal assumptions .Hopefully anyway.

With that said..

Wouldnt that be the point of our souls being here in the first place?Depending on what one believes?
To BE and experience the physical?
Who are you to say that the ghostly and spiritual things we experience are not directly triggered by one or several telluric process ?




An example.Sedona,Arizona.Look how the magnetic vortex affects people out there Darken.Almost everyone who goes there feels it in one way or another...
Especially the "spiritually" sensitive.
I just feel it is directly related and have been presenting evidence for the past 5 years demonstrating why.

LOL Oh yes! I almost forgot.
You state .."Some things, like morals, are and cannot be compromised with."

May I suggest reading a little about that small knot of nerve cells known as the right temporo-parietal junction ? ;)

Ok, let me address what you said one thing at a time.

First, it was not my intention to suggest that I know what you believe Oceanne. I don't pretend to, nor does it matter to me. The only reason beliefs were brought into it was because it seemed as though you were stating that various spiritual events/phenomenon were happening for this or that reason, as though it was fact, trivializing another thoughts about it. You quote science, which is fine, great in fact because science is a wonderful thing and can explain a lot of things. But you were not allowing that it can not explain everything and the possibility that some spiritual events/phenomenon are just that: spiritual.

Also, as I stated before Oceanne, I think you are quite right that all those kinds of interference can explain many, if not most, supposedly haunted places and the things most people experience. I was not disagreeing with that. I was disagreeing with your statement that made it sound as if it was all inclusive and that none of them are spiritual. That's a rather one sided opinion, and it's fine for you to have it, but don't make it sound as though it's fact when it isn't. I was not discounting your viewpoint, you were discounting mine.

Secondly, for your theory to work for me, I would have to be stepping on a magnetic field or experiencing some kind of interference my entire life, and that doesn't fly with me. It's not logical. That would be like rolling the dice a thousand times and always coming up with snake eyes. Mathematically it doesn't, can't, happen that way. Especially when there are other people, in various parts of the world, who are just like me in the 'seeing' regard and have 'seen' the same things.

Different peoples brains work differently, I'm sure that doesn't need said. And no one uses all that their brain is capable of. Just as one person can be born with amazing art skills with no training, or really good at math, this is just the particular part of my brain that developed.

Thirdly, mass hysteria certainly doesn't explain the bruises, never minding the fact that there was no reason for the mass hysteria. None of us were on anything, or hyped up at all. We were there just taking pictures and this thing that took hold of my friend surprised us. Even if you discounted what I saw as some type of 'vision' produced by interference, there is still the physical evidence. She didn't have those bruises before we went, and she didn't fall or bump into anything to cause them.

Fourthly, as for the purpose of our souls being here? That is an entirely different discussion Oceanne, one I'd be happy to discuss, but not here.

Fifthly, as for 'physics and cycles...shapes and resonance', I don't discount those. I'm not dumb and I've done my research too. Science is one of my favorite subjects and I'm always interested in the new things they are discovering. But it can't account for all of it, even science allows for that fact.

And lastly, about morals and the temporo-parietal junction. I stand by what I said. Morals can not be compromised with. Realize that I'm talking about morals in the extreme. Not like lying or simple things that different people have different ideas about morality. So what if that junction has some damage and the person can't determine right from wrong. There are all sorts of brain issues or mental disorders that can interfere with judgement. Does that make it ok for them to rape and murder people Oceanne? Where would the compromise be? In how many days of the week they can rape and murder? In how many hours, how many people? No. Regardless of what caused it, direct intent or damaged brain, there can be no compromise and they must be separated from those they would hurt.

Please don't mistake me for being angsty or negatively argumentative. I enjoy discussing things, especially with people who see things differently then me. I take every conversation as an opportunity to learn something and hopefully to teach something as well. I look forward to more discussions.

~Darken

Ghandi in my mind was a greater example of spiritual sensitivity thatn others, although many of them came close

In other words,youre getting bent because Im not stroking your ego by acknowledging how special and different you are in order to support how you feel about yourself .In other words,by my simply presenting something that doesnt go along with YOUR beliefs,Im trivializing everything that anyone posts here.
Get real.


"it seemed as though you were stating that various spiritual events/phenomenon were happening for this or that reason, as though it was fact"
Kindof like you did when you stated that morals cannot be changed.Fact is,it has been demonstrated thats they can be.

So yes,indeed I am stating certain things as fact,because it IS fact.And another FACT is that we cannot truely tell if it is or isnt one thing or the other because we dont even realize it is happening.
Now,if you "Inherently know"that all of which happens to you has nothing to do with ANY other influence other than a spiritual one?
Well,I inherently know things too.

Thing is Darken,You dont know for certain that magnetics and or infrasound are NOT at the roots of spirituality .Or that they ARENT the CAUSE of it.
So.With that said,please know that Im sorry,but I cant really equate presenting evidence of something that is based on fact,to getting into an argument over something that is opinion based on ones own beliefs and faith.With NO evidence whatsoever other than testimony..

MasterMel,I agree that Ghandi was the perfect example of spirituality as we know it.
But his spirituality really didnt involve spooks and ghosts as we in the west view them.
Great poiint bringing him up though,I must say.

Anji13,there was something you posted earlier that I wanted to touch on sooner.And that was
"But if I'm relaxed or doing something else, I can't keep it up."

I wanted to tell you that it is this time especially that seems to be easiest for me.When ones mind is relaxed and not reallly thinkiing of anything.Stuff starts to happen.
I like it so much, I have activities that are really condusive in allowing one to enter that state.Horses and animals being a big one.Music being another big one.I even go so far as making sure I work doing it so I can get paid.
Watching firelight being another..Once you learn how to "rest" by resting different parts of yourself at different times it comes almost effortless.

Oceanne - Don't flatter yourself. I can count on one hand the number of people that have the ability to get me bent out of shape, and you are certainly not among them. If anyone is getting bent out of shape it seems to be you because someone dared to say that science doesn't have all the answers. At least not yet, and I doubt it ever will.

I never suggested that what I know to be real for me, is or should be real for anyone else. I'm free to speak my point of view just as you are. I also never suggested that your view point, of science explaining it all away, wasn't a valid one. I merely stated that it has limits, which it does. Every day those limits gets pushed a little more with every new thing we discover, but any scientist would tell you that we are far from knowing or understanding everything. Stop patronizing me by saying things are fact which are in truth only theory. Good theories, yes, ones that I agree explain a lot. But still only theories. You are not presenting facts, you are presenting theories and naming them as facts doesn't make them so.

Perception is everything and what may be one person's reality is rarely ever anothers. I can accept that there are things that I believe I KNOW, and that there are things that you believe you KNOW, and that those two disagree with each other. That's fine, that's part of what makes us human; thinking differently from one another.

As for assuming, you are doing a lot of it. I never said that EVERY thing I experienced is a spiritual event. Many of them are not. I have felt electricity in the air, magnetic fields, stood on ley lines, all of which made me feel 'weird', but I did not jump to conclusions that it was spirits or spiritual in nature at all. I said that sometimes, it is spiritual. Not always, not everytime or everyday, just sometimes. Nor did I ever say that I was some all powerful medium who sees and knows all. There is always more to learn, more to understand.

Again I will say that I AGREE that natural interference accounts for much of it. You seem to be missing that I'm not disagreeing with you on that. THE ONLY THING I disagree with is that natural interference accounts for ALL OF IT. That's it. You seem to be tryng to turn this into an argument of beliefs, when it is a discussion of opinion.

And I will always stand by what I said about morals. I will not ever back down from protecting the value and santity of life. Whatever someone's reasons for raping and murdering someone, it's wrong. In. Every. Single. Instance. It's wrong and if you choose to argue that morals can be changed and that somehow there is a way to excuse the viscious act of murdering and raping, somehow that makes it ok, then you will have demonstrated yourself to be someone who does not abide by reason and I see no point in trying to discuss anything with someone who does not abide by reason. If you jump off a building with nothing to support or catch you, you can argue with the sky all you want as to why you should live, but it won't make a difference. You're still gonna hit the ground.

You don't have to think anything of my personal testimony, it makes no difference to me. However, you will not be able to argue and subdue me into not voicing it.

I have already stated that I accept that natural events probably explain a lot of it. Are you willing to accept that something spiritual might just explain some of it?

~Darken

Yawns~ Im sorry,what was all that?
I did read the last line though and all I have to say to that is that I have over 3000 posts in this forum.Not one of them contain any statement from me saying that I did not accept or contemplate that there might be "something more".
Even so,we still do not know for certain what "spiritual sensitivity" really is because there are too many things that produce the same effect.And when they do,they affect us in such a way,we dont ...CANT really know whether it is spiritual sensitivity or the result of something else.

"Yawn" - Really? Interesting. Would that be your way of showing disrespect and that someone else's opinion isn't worthy of your attention and therefore not worth reading? Or is because you actually didn't have anything to say to the points I made. Either way is fine, it tells me something about you and that's good. I like learning about people.

You go on believing what can and can't happen for you, and I'll go on believing what can and can't happen for me.

And the world keeps on spinning round.

~Darken

The original topic of this thread did not question whether or not 'spiritual atmosphere' really exists as spiritual, it assumed it does and asked if others could feel differences in it. Questioning the validity of the 'spiritual' should be an entirely different thread.

How about this one get back on topic hm?

~Darken

I yawn not at your opinion ,Darken.
Your opinion I value.

It was your tirade.
I dont do tirades.
So no, I wont be replying to any of your points because of what they are dressed in.
Plain and simple.




The whole point of my mentioning the magnetics and infrasound in the first place in this thread was to share something I had found myself wondering about quite some years ago ,about individuals who are sensitive to them.
Might these individuals also be considered spiritually sensitive or inclined?Because of the affects they experience when subjected to magnetics or infrasound?
Both have also been found to stimulate the pineal gland ,which is considered the third eye etc.
I felt it was worth a mention.




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So because I have a lot to say it's a tirade, but your previous three posts in a row weren't? My definition of a tirade is angry and nothing I said was angry. You were the one saying that I was 'getting bent' and to 'get real'. Sorry, but I don't do hypocrisy. I replied to the points you made, and as far as I'm concerned, you didn't reply to mine because you either didn't have anything to say about them, or was simply being disrespectful, though I'm sure you don't see it that way. But that's ok, to each his/her own.



~Darken

You both need to chill or I will give you a few days time out. Take the personal digs out of it, if you wish to keep it up go into your message centers.

Now- don't make me come back into this tread.

*stern look*

:)

LOL, I was wondering when you were going to show up VW.


Anyway,I think it would be a seriously disturbing proposition for so many people if it turns out that ALL spiritual sensitivity turned out to be simply a result of phenomena such as the ones Ive mentioned above.

Likewise, I think it would be a seriously disturbing proposition for many people, especially the scientific community, if they were to discover undeniable proof of a spiritual world that was, in fact, spiritual and not the result of any of the things you've mentioned. It goes both ways.

~Darken

As that I am one of those of God and faith, I can say that for me personally, it would not be devastating or disturbing. Speaking for myself of course, and no one else. But I don't think religions would fall or that all people with faith would lose it, though some surely would. I don't need to see what I see or feel what I feel to believe and have faith in God. For me, the proof is all around me, in the trees, the animals, the sky, us humans. For me the proof that God is real is everywhere in the intelligent design that He created. I don't need to see spirits or energy to believe in God. After all, there are a lot of people in the world of different religions that don't believe the spiritual world interacts with ours at all and they still believe in God (by whatever name they give Him).

So if someone found undeniable proof that what I see and feel was no more then magnetic waves or something that I was simply 'tuning' into, I think I'd honestly be relieved. I like the idea that the dark things I've seen could just be some manifestation of errant energy. Seriously, I would prefer that. However I don't think they will ever discover that kind of proof. Just as I don't think spiritualists will ever be able to present the kind of proof scientists would accept. Some things I think are meant to remain a mystery.

~Darken

Thing is,it might not be more than magnetic waves and such...And those magnetic waves and infrasound are simply conduits..from the physical to the spiritual.Conduits that allow us as physical beings to exerience the spiritual/ethereal.So much current data is leaning toward that very thing .
Look up the Pineal gland and DMT . Note their relation to spiritual world.

I'm familiar enough with the pineal gland and very familiar with DMT since I've studied herbs extensively. I'll say it's a very interesting theory and will be more interesting to see where the research leads.

~Darken

I agree .
In not so sure it is a coincidence either.Its like the human body is built for it.

The human body is an amazing creation. The things that it can do, almost effortlessly, astound me.

~Darken

One of the most interesting things that I have noticed in my own life is that I can sense "evil" (for lack of better word) without any even being in my proximity.

I can literally take two steps into a town or city and feel an overwhelming sense of dread or a heaviness.

The last time I felt this was when I landed in Iraq, when I was deployed there over a year ago, besides all the normal fears of war and death I had sensed two things: hate and loneliness.

I was happy as hell to get out of there.

I imagine you were. I can't think it would be easy for anyone to be in a country torn apart like that. Especially for one spiritually sensitive.

~Darken

simply put, yes: it's called empathy.

unfortunately, few make the effort to listen Now.

OR/ to try and show empathy, too often confusing it with sympathy.

Interestingly enough Ang,Empathy is also a natural mechanism.We as humans start developing empathy when we are babies.

As you mentioned already people want to be viewed as special , but they don't want the hassle of actually having to develop themselves as extraordinary. The allure of metaphysical is strong because just like you mentioned all one has to do is make a claim, rather then demonstrate anything substantial.

Perhaps people are too busy looking for a talent or spiritual gift that is a little bit "sexier." Meaning shows about people with Empathy are not being flashed all over the TV. However many do not realize how powerful this gift truly is. I don't believe we can just turn it on or off. I believe it's always been in us we just have to get "us" out of the way and open up those spiritual and metaphysical lanes.

Sure, Empathy is not like TM, or the ability to speak to ghosts and spirits. However, I believe the Empathetic can create such a positive in the lives of people around them by just understanding (really understanding) their pain, sorrow as well as their joy and happiness.

It's a wonderful gift!

It IS a wonderful gift Victor..one that is gifted to every human..that is unless there is some underlying reason such as an illness of somekind and a few other maladies etc..

It just comes across as rude, to assert ones self as just knowing how people feel, when to really get to know a person one must develop, and learn to apply social skills, to present ones self as being able to bypass that is so artificial, and inconsiderate to the person being "Scanned".

It might seem rude Dab,but in reality,it is a natural part of what we ,as humans do in order to help ensure our very survival.
I mean,how many babies would even survive if the process was not in place to ensure the empathetic bonding of mother and baby.Empathy is not some magical "gift" only for the chosen.It is a VERY natural part of who and what we are.

Empathy really also has not to do with being spiritually sensitive ,because it isnt paranormal or really spiritual to begin with .

I understand that but my point is that it is an applied ability, and people who declare themselves mystically gifted are often found to be assumptive, its like why not just ask a person how they feel? Rather then "sense:" it.

I, for one do not make the claim of be spiritually gifted. I feel it must be something you do as opposed to what you claim TO BE

I do agree in part Dab.
Regardless of what we might believe personally,it is important to provide all aspects and known causes of things some might consider spiritual.After that,it is up to the viewer to decide whether what they are experiencing is a result of some natural , man made phenomena or of spiritual nature...Whether they feel they are spiritually sensitive or not.
And for all we know,it could be one in the same.