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As far as Im concerned,Nikola Tesla was one of the greatest minds of the 20th century..And quite possibly,ever.
However, many believe that he was an extraterrestial,and that his inventions...such as HAARP and several others, will eventually be a source of , ultimate destruction because of our own choices.
I would like to know how others might feel about this assumption,and do you feel that aliens intervien with mankind's development from time to time?
Or that he ,like Leonardo Di Vinci ,were simply men who were ahead of their time?

I honestly don't see why et's would bother with us. I'm pretty sure they'd have their own problems and worries, families... societal issues to deal with, yeh? Why bug humans? Besides, we breed geniuses every so often. Just because they're uber smart and other people can't keep up doesn't mean they're aliens. It just makes other people feel inferior. The guys were ahead of their time and humans are headed for destruction just from their own stupidity anyway. They don't need help from any kind of inventions.

Here's a thought...

It's evident that past human history is filled with not only colonizations by ET's (For lack of a more specific word) but also fraternization between them and humans. So why not hold to a theory that there are those humans among us who have these alien genes just waiting to kick in either at birth or at a time of terrific trauma.

Even though Earth is still being visited...and wouldn't it be interesting to find that all of what we are experiencing now is part of a larger agenda.

One more thing. I know there are some people who do not believe in re-incarnation. But for those of you who do...just think...if you were an ET and died here, on Earth, you would re-incarnate as well....But as what or possibly even...whom?


Maybe Tesla falls into one of these categories.

It's interesting to note that the very government that utilizes the technology doesn't deny or confirm either way the existence of ET's. And if this is supposed to be a Christian country...and the Vatican is preparing people for the acknowledgement of ET's...then one hand is actually working against the other...OR...they are both working toward the same thing...only one is taking the high road and the other the low road.


Also one very, very important thing to remember is that WHAT you KNOW and WHAT you DO NOT KNOW IS ALL CONTROLLED BY THE MEDIA. So before making a final decision, you might need to research a little. The Media can to a degree supress the truth by not revealing it. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't real. Sometimes you have to not only think OUTSIDE the BOX but also challenge the dis-information and non disclosures attributed to the Media.

These bans of free press, and that is exactly what SOPA, & PIPA and the rest of these new bans are representing, will attempt to outlaw what ever the government feels is offensive or detremental to it's on-going existence.

You need to take advantage of what's there on the NET NOW!!..learn NOW!!. Research NOW!! Download and save files that can, may and will be removed to maintain the continuity of government.

He didn't invent HAARP and I don't recall him inventing anything similar to it either, if so please elaborate.

As for him being an ET, not a chance in my opinion. People like to discount humans as stupid, mindless, violent beings and while the "group" may be little more than a mob with an IQ of 20 who has nuclear weapons the individual human can be incredibly intelligent.

It's fun to imagine the possibilities but there's no evidence Tesla, Einstein, Da Vinci, etc were anything but human.

What Tesla came up with was very much in the realm of discovery for that time, at least as far as the technology. His mindset however was beyond the average person's and in reality that's just about the only way true jumps in understanding can occure...from a single person having the ability to put 2 and 3 together and get 5 instead of 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 1+3=4 etc the way most people work. Non-linear thought is great, but it is far from being an ET only gift.

You're right Zav,Bernard Eastlund holds the patent and many say it was developed by the military.But I've heard over the years from various sources that it was all based on some of Tesla's papers.
Its said his technology would split the planet.The earthquake machine.HAARP.ect..

I would think it would be pretty cool if he,and others like him were aliens.
Thanks for posting all,excellent posts.

On the other side of the coin though, many say that HAARP is not descended from Tesla technology.
But thats why I brought it up,to talk about all that.:D

Ok, following on Fallensatrs thread, we need to break new ground.
Oceanne has raised a very very interesting topic, albeit a stumble.
The individuals you mention above were all great thinkers, but just like Mr Holmes there is also evidence they dabbled in intoxicants.
The poison is irrelevant, from the Sulphur gasses of the ancient Oracle to the fictional Mr Holmes, they all manipulated brain power...even Master pothead Mr Tolkein.

I have discussed this at length with aleading mathmetician, she asked me this
"Is there a Place you Go..."

I believe this place is where you will find your E.T. or higher functioning Minds.

Oceanne: Here's an interesting article for you concerning Tesla and his belief of Mars. New York Tribune 1920.


MARTIANS & TESLA

There are 4 listings. You want the third on. A copy of it is below:

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Look for the Tesla article all the way over to the Right.

That's a funny clip from the past but -science- doesn't agree at all, a few scientists from 1920 agreed. Martians don't exist end of story. It's like pulling out a news article claiming "the Milky Way is entire universe" because in 1920 that's actually what they thought.

Anyway, breathing in gases, taking drugs, it makes zero sense that it would connect you to some higher being. You're doing nothing but inducing hallucinations and delusions based upon your own desires, understanding, etc. Sometimes they can facilitate non-linear thinking, allowing the then unstructured mind to run off in different directions and come up with any number of things.

There is no difference between me taking LSD and a couple of anti-depressants when it comes to the pharmacodynamics except that LSD saturates more of the receptors...it isn't opening some mystical gateway.

As for HAARP, it very well could have been influenced by his ideas but to say "thus it came from him" doesn't work. HAARP is something I've studied for years, talked to people who've worked there etc and my current conclusion is that it's less sinister than most think...less than I thought in the beginning. Of course that isn't to say it couldn't be used for bad simply, it isn't being used for bad. And HAARP is only 1 of many similar facilities around the world.

I am sorry Xav but on this one you are totally wrong on this one.

It IS possible to accelerate the mind to increase perception, to become hyper sensitive through intoxicants.

Indeed perception of time is slowed right down, to the point that the brain can split the wavelengths in light or take apart the fractional clatters of a hammer drill.

Yet science fails to deal with this phenomenon, why? its Tabboo...

Science isn't some monolithic behemoth, I'll never understand why people think it is or act like "science" did/didn't do something.

Scientists have studied this for decades, including the military and while there have been interesting results at times the overall result was....nothing special.

Being able to increase perception and awareness is one thing, being able to commune with the spirits and ET is something totally different. As if the main way we reach them is by getting high, silly.

I'm a scientist and I would like nothing more than to see something compelling showing drugs can increase our ability to connect with "out there" but it doesn't make sense in the physics and no god, no spirit, no alien is above physics..not even my own god.

Thank you DavyD for the link.
I have read that article before and it raised even more questions in my mind.I had also read an article ..I forget who it was by about the conclusion that HAARP tech couldnt have come from him due to his concept on wireless device.But anyway..
I should have worded that differently Zav,but yes,many think that the technology of HAARP came from him.Who,incidently, said many times that he got his ideas from ETs and that they contacted him etc..I found that aspect pretty interesting.
As far as drugs and its connection with ETs or the spiritual realm... What about DMT? I would say its a pretty good candidate for a chemical that could serve as a conduit to the spiritual or ET realm.

I wish theBBc would get their own news instead of reading ours.

Sorry Xav but it seems this profeesor agrees with me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16678322

Fallen, what on Earth are you talking about?

I said nothing that would disagree with that article and I think research should be allowed into drugs like LSD, DMT and many others.

I simply see no evidence that there is any legitimate connection between mind altering drugs and any real other-worldly entities.

Speaking of DMT, many believe that DMT is a gateway to god. A good many neuroscientists feel that it's more likely the idea of god came from our own minds based upon that incredibly common chemical. It raises the question, did god create man or did man create god?

If god made man then an argument could be said that DMT is the physical property of the mind which allows for communication from an energy being to a physical one.

With regards to it, the research is so new we haven't a clue and to say it is or is not is very foolish. In the US and most countries the federal governments have been totally, well, retarded, by preventing honest and open medical research. It's impossible to know if pot has a positive affect on the body (currently it's listed as no) if you can't have proper study and the "study" that was done on these drugs happened during a time when all drugs were being vilified. Government needs to get out of the way of good science.

Xav you said, I qoute
"Scienntists have studied this for decades, including the military and while there have been interesting results at times the overall result was....nothing special."

Given you know what you are talking about and not just spouting off..

They missed the whole point, why would world leaders across the globe descend upon the Oracle if she did not get some of right...? These were well respected worldy leaders who led millions not hippy wanna bees who knew nothing. Every town and city had a thousand mystics and bullshitters, yet she shone through.

Of course she impressed and got a great deal right !

You would say it was chance or "willing it to be true" I am sorry . That is the REAL B.S.

I have said it once, i warn you again, there is something else goiing on...Look around you.

Oh as a caveat, the film "The Keep" explored this notion of where evil came from?
Who am I? I am You...1970. (the Holocaust)

Dude, you're just wrong, I'm sorry lol. And before people start yelling at me he & I have had many convos in private and I see the same thing there.

The article you linked to said NOTHING about the supernatural, it only said these drugs can make life better for some and that research should be allowed. And I agree.

The studies I was talking about in your quote were, obviously given the thread topic, about paranormal powers and spiritual gateways etc. A few "positive" results mixed with hundreds of negatives equals a negative generally. And the positive results weren't communing with the gods or aliens, its was ESP which doesn't need to rely on drugs and it's something within the realm of possibility if you're just looking at the basic human being...it doesn't need voodoo science or LSD, although some drugs may allow it to work better.

Back to actual evidence of gifted humans being ETs...........


(Didn't mean to hijack your thread O, you know I can't help myself bring a little logic into things and show more reasonable explanations without everyone always claiming its something "beyond" just because we or they don't understand it now)

No,I understand how subjects can get a little sidetracked ...Its ok if it connects ,albeit a round about way to the subject at hand..I appreciate everyone posting their thoughts on the matter.

Im still sitting here wondering about Tesla's claim to being contacted by ETs and their telling him of certain technologies..So many pros and cons and what ifs..

As for the use of drugs in science, why not? It's proven useful in the past =D The double helix, if i remember correctly, was a concept that came to a scientist using cocaine.
Drugs should be used responsibly, of course, and probably devoid of the assumption that the things you hallucinate while under the influence of those drugs are real (DMT - case in point).
Turns out that everyone has a bit of DMT in their brains that's being saved for death. When your body thinks you're dying, it releases your store of DMT, which often causes the visions of heaven and hell you hear from people with near-death-experiences. It's a chemical reaction not dissimilar to dreaming, not an ethereal world reaching out to you. (At least, that's what i would say taking all that i've experienced into consideration. I could be wrong).

It would be fascinating to hear that Tesla was an alien, and the motivation for an alien to come to earth would be fairly simple.... see.... what if alien races have adolescents and banishments? Adolescents could probably come here and mess with us (Crop circles, whatever) "Haha, these guys will totally flip out. They're so primitive, they'll probably start a religion!"
Banishments could come here as a second chance, disguising themselves as human.
Of course, this is all purely hypothetical and highly fantastical. A truly open mind might be willing to accept it as a possibility, but it is in no way backed up by science or reason ^__^

That being said, Xzavier, Fallen, Ocy, 'tis good to be in a discussion with you again.

This reminds me of the film the Life of Brian, being Scottish I am sure you know it Xav. Remember the bit where Micheal Palin confesses his life story whilst dacing down some shitty backward alley. He stated the truth about how inconvenient it was that jesus had cured him, Brian ignored him, he was too worried about the scientists, I mean Romans.
"Half a Dinari for my life story..." Ditto...still it was fun chatting, Cabrion, I did not know that, but seems to gel with the Victorian fascination with opiates. Remember, a basic principle, the candle that burns half as long burns twice as brightly...or vice versa.

I am sure there are beings on other planets BUT if they had visited us I think it would be a little more obvious and they wouldn't hide or if they did it would be for war which would have already happened. If anyone is beyond there time or more advanced they would more likely be from another dimension or realm. Just because something is from another planet wouldn't mean they are any better than people from this planet

For us to believe that we as humans are the only life in a vast universe is ridiculios, for life as said will find a way to live and adapt to all things. If we put in perspective that we or are fore fathers were originated from space is not hard to believe for life is said to have crawled out of the swamps and become us . For if life came from an asteriod and grew we too would be the ET's of life. Life does exist yet we have not seen the proof to allow us to concieve the possibility.

people like tesla and turing and da vinci turn up in human history from time to time.an alien civilisation would just conquor earth and make it into a colony.the fact that it has not happend means that no alien civilisation has found earth.so we are lucky

Well if you go back to creation myths and stories, there are cave depictions of beings that doesn't look humanoid. Even now with modern science, they found that up to 97% of DNA is "junk" DNA. Junk meaning that they don't know what it is and what it does. And, now they are contemplating it may be of unearthly origin. Stories of the "gods" interacting with man are in all cultures all over the globe.

Well if the "junk" DNA (which is more colloquial than accurate) is from aliens, or even partially, then we're all ET to some degree.

I must warn you though that a vast portion of junk DNA has been introduced via infection, from bacteria and mainly viruses. It happens all the time, in every species.

Of course since the mathematics of evolution are astoundingly implausible as a stand alone theory just based on Earth the idea that some of the early components to all life, the "original" DNA as it were, might have come from space. Now, that doesn't mean aliens, just asteroids etc which do carry organic compounds in some cases.

In the end, alien or not, we are ALL children of the stars. Can't deny that.

Born of the stare? gestated in a chemical soup...
we are humans and E.T.

well if you think about it if et or what ever you want to call it affected human development in the early stages of life with dna than aren't we all a little alien.

First, I find this subject very interesting. Good job!
Second, I apologize for my english... I hope you'll understand what I mean.

A strange theory, which is in many books of Erich von Dankinen (elvetian writer), holds the fact that aliens visit our Earth from prehistoric times. And the strangers who came from sky have helped our ancestors to develope. Such a theory has various legends - like the stories of Atlantida, Lemuria, Nazca – and encourage us to believe that every legend has something true in it. Dankinen has succeeded to put forward many ideas about the suspect visits of some alien civilisations on Earth and the fast evolution of civilizations disappeared from long time ago. All of these are based on historical, scientific, religious and biological dates.
Dankinen was convinced that the astronauts from the past have landed on the Earth, have interacted with peoples and have succeeded to induce them a special culture and an innovator spirit.
The theory of Erich von Dankinen try to explain the myth of Ark of the law (the Ark of law is a chest of drawers where was put the decalogue). In Dankinen’s opinion, this myth was a transmitter that the aliens could communicate with the earthlings.
And an another theory is The Orion theory supported by Robert Bauval şi Gilbert Adrian. They believed that egyptians came down from heaven. The Orion theory asserts that the three egyptian pyramids are correlated strangely with the three stars from the Orion belt.

These theories won't be maintained officially because the goal is to manipulate the people. Even if the modern people couldn't discover yet the truth about the life origins on Earth, these theories can change our entire present history and our mind.
The truth is near by us but so far away...

Thank you for the great and informative post Bendis! To be honest,I lean towards the et theories,as I do find myths,depictions and other evidences very compelling..you mentioned the Ark.I know the theory you speak of,and would like to add another little tidbit to that.I opened a thread some time ago about the manna machine.At this time,I am of the mindset that this manna machine could be in the Ark and that one of the reasons people perished when in close proximity,is because of possible nuclear aspects of things contained inside.the manna machine being one of those things.
When we look closely at myth and the story of Moses,it becomes evident that something kept his people alive in the desert ..the manna machine? Which incidently,when built according to descriptions in the Zohar,produces a pellet of a very nutritious alge.Now,to go a little further with this,if we think about it a little,we can see possible connections to sabbath..which could have been originally the day chosen, where everyone took time off from daily chores to disassemble the machine and clean it.
One other thing that I have found interesting about the whole thing is why would the peoples of the day come up with a saying like "Passover" this has been a special day from early on,and really,it could have been the day when the ets would fly over where ever certain groups of people would have been at the time.If this is the case,it also lends credence to what you have presented above.
On a last note....space travel takes time to get from one planet..or system to another.So it isnt inconcievable that when they left,with the promise of return,it would take hundreds..or even possibly thousands of years before they did...

They couldn't have cleaned it on the Sabbath, no work.

It still doesn't answer "why" they came either. When I see a group of chimps, my instinct isn't to give them the tools to kill themselves more efficiently, but to leave them be. Did they look at us and see some grand potential? We remained basically the same, unchanged (except in cultures), for thousands of years and the moment we get real technology we kill hundreds of millions of people within a few decades.

So they gave some tiny minority a manna machine, why?
Have you ever looked into the history of the Jews? They came together from groups of nomads basically, hardly an important group or "ancient line" at the time.

They gave some civilizations the knowledge to build pyramids, a knowledge that would be lost (even the existence of the structures lost) for thousands of years. Why?

Nothing they allegedly did back then survived to aid us today in any way we couldn't figure out for ourselves. Even the supposed flying machines, lost. Only myth and legend remain from any of their interactions with us, not what I'd call a success story.

I put forth that a human 2,000 years ago was exactly the same as one today in their ability to think. It makes little sense to say they couldn't, by pure observation, create any number of wonders that wouldn't be seen again for millenia. Just look at De Vinci, he made tanks, flying machines, robots..all by studying the natural world. It was only politics and ignorance that kept his ideas from being the basis of our advancement today.

I LOVE the idea of aliens coming down, interacting with us etc. I just see no *real* evidence. I do see speculation and miles of factual and logical fallacies put forth as fact like on the show Ancient Aliens. Give me real proof of alien involvement. Not the lame story of "the uncivilized man couldn't have possibly done...."The only difference between a man 5,000 years ago and today is they wouldn't understand English or know what Twilight is...thank god.

No work in the normal sense..the day to day stuff.
Pick a day,stay at home and clean the manna machine.LOL So it becomes a ritual,even after the original meaning is lost..Seen it happen all the time .There might not have been any "special" lines either,they might have been selected randomly or based on the toughness of nomadic peoples..
As far as a reason? Already WE think about terraforming a planet so we can migrate our species...why not ets doing the same?

That's the thing, they're not even allowed to do the normal day-to-day stuff. Even Jesus scolded the leaders in a parable about not being able to save an animals life who fell into a ditch on the Sabbath.

We want to terraform another planet, another one a few million miles away. Why would they travel light years to work on a planet with a native species, only to not really do anything?

Unless we're part of some genetic experimentation (of which there's little proof, almost all of our DNA can be found in other animals across the globe), then I don't see the point.

Could they have come in the past and watched us, sure. Did they help us build things, I doubt it fully.

One other thing. IF we are made in their image then it's likely they are more aggressive and warlike than us. One of our distinguishing features is our love of killing one another so it stands to reason these ET's could care less about curing cancer for us and more about using us as some sort of slave labor or cannon fodder when the time comes.

(Note: I do think aliens exist. I don't think they came from this solar system & if they are here its not for any good purpose)

Tell me more about that please? How did he scold them? What are they allowed to do on sabbath? Pray only?

Hey,for all we know,they could be breeding the hair and tough skin out of us for easy slaughter/food scource..

eek,spooky thought.

But anyway,maybe they have to go a long ways to find a planet good for terraforming...

I know we have thought right along the same lines right here.WE would be considered ets to a planet we might eventually terraform and left for thousands of years,then returned.WE might even be considered Gods at that point.

Luke 14:1-6, specifically verse 5 "...Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?"

The point being that the rules were so incredibly strict they kept a person from doing even important and urgently needed things. Remember of course Jesus was a Jew. Jesus' views on the Sabbath was pretty different than the mainstream.

This is an interesting page about the topic
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~cmadd01/healsabb.html

See that's my point, I don't think that aliens would work to do good here unless humans were either directly created by them (little to no evidence) or somehow were say, children of God, and needed protection. Otherwise I'd imagine a species coming here from thousands of light years would rather kill us all and take the planet or use us for their own gains.

Or we have two sets..ones who might want us to do harm and others to protect.Im going to follow the link you provided.Thanks.I did not know how strict it all was..

I find so many correlations though Zav,in the stories and such to many of the things we see today.Even I have to admit its compelling.

That reminds me of the older Sumerian stories of Enki and Enlil. One wants to use humans as slave labor mining gold and other wants to free humanity ala Prometheus. This story is by Zecharia Stitchen.

Exactly. And the kicker is, that it reminds us of many of ancient myths and biblical stories from all over the world.

That's a good point. All these different and diverse cultures essentially tell the same story. I don't think those older civilizations would lie or fabricate stories like that for kicks lol.