I am going for a really good discussion with this one, so here goes. Have any of you ever read the 10 commandements and compared them to the 11 Satanic rules of the Earth. What similarities and differences do you see?
I see that the bible teaches god said, "thou shalt not", while satanism teaches do not unless, or "thou shalt not without recieving consequences."
My personall belief is that 90% of the population of Earth lives somewhere in the middle of these two sets of commandments. The other 10% are the extremists of each religion. I believe a person's morales play a lot into the religion they chose to believe.
Anton Levay was an extremist to a point. That point was to convey to the world that in his mind, he really didn't care about religious beliefs. His concept was a self conscious decision that wasn't based off of a, "God" head established "order me around" shtick. He went by a moral compass if anything that taught people to literally think for themselves. Do what you will, but be prepared to face the consequences for your own actions.
If you read the 9 Satanic Statement it clearly gives the thought that you are responsible for everything, not some deity, who command and controls. Nor, should you live as such. Be responsible, and be free. As a Deistic Satanist Satanism is the idea of being free w/o fear of reprisal from a God character.
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
In response to your post, ~MasterMe~.
And yet, Satanists worship themselves rather than the Satan deity. Shouldn't it be called Narcissism, instead? Rather than Satanism? Damned those -ism's!!
In the same way Id and Ego represent our own internal struggle with light and dark, the notion of God and the Devil serve to represent our need to polarize good and bad. They need each other in order to fragment our concious choices.
SS: Again you've beaten me to the punch; great observation! And as narcissism is one of the defining hallmarks of sociopathology... well, you can all take it from there. For the Satanist (as also with spoiled children who likewise haven't yet grown in emotional and spiritual maturity)... it's basically all about him/her.
As regards the Bible and its similarity w/ Satanism... I'm really not seeing it except, of course, in making the obvious observation that as Satan is a Biblical character, Satanism is entirely derivative of the Bible having taken its eponymous "hero" from that ancient tome to begin with.
The LaVeyian style is of complete disgust to traditional Satanists who abhor the material greed and ego seeking filth that such sheeple indulge in.
I agree that Levay is and exstremist, but I believe he took the ten commandments and twisted them to meet his requirements for his personal religion of satainism. I feel is is nto the true version of satanism because it does not worship satan, but self. There are many followers that are blind to this because they have not studied any other religions.
There is nothing extreme about LaVey or his church.
It is mundane magian crap.
Can we please get back to the topic, instead of bashing Laveyism? This thread is regarding the similarities between the Bible and Satanism. Not Satanism's many forms. Blah.
SS, If you want to get back to the topic, try answering it to begin with yourself. You mentioned Levay bringing him in to the topic, no?
***What similarities and differences do you see?***
The 11 Satanic rules were borrowed then twisted to fit Levay's niche, serving a polar opposite, one he knew would draw a following. Similar opposites? An oxymoron, in my opinion that fits all of Levay's work.
If this audience really wants to get into the, "meat" of it all. It is all crap, but theologically as well as esoterically.
The mind wants to either follow or to be followed, period. Thus, the 10 commandments from someone who wrote about a Jealous, "God" persona. Since no one really knows who wrote the Bible or the 10 commandments, then I will play around with that assumption of a, jealous "God" persona.
Since we are discussing the 10 Satanic commandments that Anton Levay wrote about, then my previous post stands and shouldn't be contested. I did answer the thread accordingly and thoroughly in my perspective, so I would appreciate it if I weren't proverbially talked down to like a kid.
Anyway... to get back on point, Levay did create the Satanic Bible which has the 10 Satanic commandments in it, of which this subject is about. It is not about how Levay-ism is different from any other, "Satanic" cults that are out there or to contest the difference between each.
The main difference like I said regarding the commandments of the good vs evil is the fact that one is a rebel commandment list while the other is for those who choose to follow a doctrine brought on by someone who wants the world to perceive the Hebrew god as a jealous, "God" in a nutshell.
All arguments aside. Try pondering the EGO vs Sheep for a moment.
The one major difference I see when comparing the two, is ,the bible teaches sacrifice and selflessness ,whereas The satanic bible teaches selfishness.
I also might say ,while the bible was compiled by several people,the satanic bible was put together by a depraved skidmark, who wrote it with nothing in mind but to justify the things he did.
Hay,if its part of your faith,it cant be wrong...lol right?
Anyway,the only real similarity I see at this point in time? They are both declarations of how we should all live our lives.And what will happen to our immortal souls,depending on our choices in life.
I am sure there are more,but thats what comes to mind first.
..I will love someone to tell me who wrote the ten commandments of satanism. Was a person who under the influence of human's desires for power, make them up. The same go as the ten commandment of the bible. If by following either of those commandments, the after life of the Humans depends, no of them should reach their destination, because no human follow any command to the point of perfection. so, my point, they are just sentences created by a genius mind to suppress the mind and control the though of the readers.
Ahh,but you have forgotten one important aspect about that Markus.And that is forgivness.If Im not mistaken,while the bible lays out the ten commandments as a guide,it is also made known that,while we are expected to adhere to the guidline,its understood that "God" knows we cant.Thus forgiveness.
Haha all gods are tyrants and villains masquerading as heros, sad but true as for the 10 commandments, the bible ones for they are the only ones I am familiar with personally, some of them are great like respect your mother and father and some just scream childish selfishness from a whiny being like "have no other gods before me"
I would have to agree with your thought on that ,Hunter.I have always thought it a little weird that even with all of the " love your fellow man" stuff,when it came to glorifying any other God,it is clearly stated that Yaweh is a jealous one.It doesnt quite sit right with me because we arent supposed to covet or be jealous in any way.
It makes me wonder if that might have been thrown in there just for the benefit of Yaweh's followers,BY his followers.And really,it sounds a bit like a control tactic ...Like Markus and others have mentioned before.
in effect, the satanist being referred is merely a humanist that uses satan as an icon for his beliefs that man is in fact the highest thing on the food chain, so to speak
Thats it in a nutshell.
I am not one,and it isnt my area of expertise,so I do have a question for those who might know...If this is a "humanistic" religion,why is it called Satanism? Is it because the dieity is eliminated from the equasion and propels man into a "God' like status?
If I am correct then it is because he uses satan as his icon. He said numerous times he believes neither in satan nor God.
He was, in my opinion, very showy and kind of Hollywood. Using satans name was a way to get attention.
Well in the book of Job, "God" uses Satan in the role of a tester. and allows him to create havoc in Job's life.
What they both have in common is that they were both written by humans and is used to influence them, however, I have to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with selfishness, it is natural and a part of life and so I would favor the "devil" book over the "god" book anyday but it is wrong in assuming humans are top of the food chain as they are not even in the middle of the food chain.
The bible is hypocritical and it does not care about what is natural, it simply condemns certain behaviors whether it is natural or not. to me, it is just a book for a self-righteous prick who likes to oppress life.
I don't know much about the Bible but I can infer from general "godly" scriptures.
Thing is, the Dark and Light are intertwined in one book. Likewise for all religions.
This is when beings who read it are able to exercise what they know and exhibit what they can do by deciphering or/and interpreting that book. Therefore it lies in the Will of the being who reads it.
Dark from Light or Light from Dark.
morality and defining between good and evil are just purely physical part f the brain designed to ensure the human race and our food sources. there is no such thing as right or wrong, it can all be explained by the basic functions of the brain, not spiritual or god or satan or anything. (sorry to enlighten anyone againt their will lol, but being a religious nut you can happily ignore me anyway)
I'm not sure I've actually found similarities. I was an Evangelical seminarian and involved in ministry. I found the vivle not to have similarities however was more of the thou shalt not, especially if you fear eternal nourishment. Being both Pagan and satanist I live without those fears.