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Ok everyone i want to deliver some info on what i believe is a lost art . To me its a branch of wicca which is rarely talked about. I have two ppl in my bloodline that has practiced it below is some info on the art and some descriptions of the terms. If anyone else knows anything about this feel free to share some info.

The Onmyōji (陰陽師, lit. Yin-Yang Masters) were court diviners in the Heian period (794 - 1185 AD) of Japan, and may have been active at other times. The organization they belonged to was called the Onmyōryō. Their court responsibilities ranged from simple tasks such as keeping track of the calendar, to mystical chores such as divination and protection of the capitol from evil Spirits.
Their practice was based upon the Tao. Yin and Yang ruled everything. They also studied the interaction of the five oriental elements: wood, fire, metal, water, and earth. It was said that an Onmyoji could also summon and control Shikigami.
One of the most famous of the Onmyoji was a man by the name of Abe no Seimei (921-1005). After his death the emperor had a temple erected at his home in Kyoto

the philosophy of Tao (literally the Way or the Path), often translated as The Principle, is a basic element in the Chinese philosophy. It is the ever-lasting essential and fundamental force that run through all matters in the Universe, living or not. It is most famous through Taoism, but Confucianism also refers to it.


description of shikigami In the Japanese culture, Shikigami are Oni, or Demons, summoned to serve or protect an Onmyoji, like the western concept of a wizard's summon or familiar. Shikigami can take the forms of birds or other small animals, and the more powerful of the Shikigani can even take possession of a person.


*dust self off * whew more info soon




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Wow, this is pretty interesting, I'd like to find out more about it .. I'll have to look it up and see what I can find .. do you ahve any links you can recommend????



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I agree.. this is a very interesting topic!! I would love to read more about... Very good thread hun =)



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Yeah, awsome thread. I definately want to read up more on this topic, and cant wait til you post more info =)



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I have heard of this group, just don't know alot about it. I am going to check it out and see what I can find. I have a few old books that may talk about them.



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kamui i have look it up but can't found much on it...need more infor...or help plz



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cool info....reminds me of a book i came across a couple of years ago.....since i
am wiccan...and in my earlier years of learning the craft...i seen that energy
around....the i chi and the five elements
they used..... and the book on where i
seen what i am saying is in... Full Contact
Magick ...... (a book of shadows for the
Wiccan Warrior) by Kerr Cuhulain ...
and mainly works with the energy within.
.the ....i chi ..... hope this is any help of an idea..... ^_^ or at least of interest



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I was able to find a bit more .. not much, but a bit, about teh Onmyoryo.

Click here.



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Also a small blog type bit here, with a few links inside. Unfortunately (for those who do not read Japanese), one of these links leads to an article solely in Japanes. *sad face*

Very interesting topic. Thanks for posting this thread!



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Here's a few links i found pertaining to this that can give someone a little more insight I guess ...

ONMYODO - TAOISM IN JAPAN

Onmyoji Movie

Seimei Shrine



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ah the onmyoji movie seen it some of the principles in it was right. What was funny about the time period they lived peacefully and werent feared for the practices. Why do you think this is so?



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Ok i have researched abit and found some info on one of well known onmyoji here is a small back history on him

Abe-no-Seimei
921-1005. A famous scholar, and (according to legends) the most powerful Onmyo-shi , a court magician, in those days.
The history records that he made plans of many imperial buildings using his knowledge of Onmyo-Do . He was also an excellent astronomer and a calendar maker.

Legends say that Seimei were skilled at divination power, based on astrology, calendar, and direction. He could foresee disasters and report to the emperor. Legends also say that he mastered twelve Shikigami , familiars of Onmyo-shi . There are numerous legends that he conquered the monsters in Kyoto.




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I think this can be bumped...



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Dude i watched both of them the other night and i liked 'em.The whole eating a person thing still made my skin crawled but they were still good.



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*Bump bidie bump bump*



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23:37:03 May 20 2005
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wow i would like to find out more on that form of wiccan.... time to search on it



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this seems very intresting *turns music up a bit* time to do some research on it



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21:35:18 Jun 17 2005
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I have some friends that believe in that!!!! ^_^ I don't know much about it myself though.... lol.



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Definitely time to do some research, thank you for sharing!



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I'm going to research that. It sounds quite interesting.



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Wow... pretty interesting stuff!

Thanks everyone for the links and information...

Looks like I get to be a google whore again! *does the jig*



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lunarvampiress
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wow what was that agai awesome thread



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I have heared some things about this practice... i'd like to read more about it though, thanks for reminding me :D



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hahahahah you guys should get more info and then just share in stead of everybody talking about getting more info....



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Ok this is some info found from site that I came aross while researching. It states some of the ideas and jobs of what they do over again. But then again it kind of explains the history of Taoism is which the practice is built around.




Taoism first came to Japan during the sixth century A.D. though, while elements of both 'Religious Taoism' and at a later date, 'Philosophical Taoism' have had an unmistakable influence on Japanese religion, Taoism as a distinct, institutional tradition, never really gained a following amongst the Japanese people.

However, beliefs concerning the 'Taoist Immortals' and Taoist Paradises were 'adopted-in' to various streams of Japanese folk belief and mythology, along with Taoist mystical and medicinal practices.
For example, the koshin-machi, a popular Japanese all-night vigil undertaken as part of a longevity disciplines, is based on Taoist belief.

Also, elements of Taoist magic exist in Shinto practice, and more noticeably in the mountain-centred ascetic disciplines of Shugendo.

But probably the most important expression of Taoism in Japan was the ritualistic tradition known as onmyodo.
Central to onmyodo were the disciplines of astrology and Taoist Five-Element theory.
In onmyodo philosophy there was no particular concern with (or belief in) life after death. It's primary focus was on the identification and avoidance of troubles and disharmonies in the here-and-now. Through an understanding of the natural laws of the universe, and through the application of ritualistic practice based on yin-yang/five-element theory, onmyodo sought to bring order to a world perceived as being, in the main, completely chaotic.
Originally, onmyodo was closely aligned with the Imperial Household, and matters of state.

The onmyodo practitioners were consulted on everything, from the siting of the imperial capital, to the performance of state ritual, the interpretation of supernatural signs, and, most importantly, divining the fate of Emperors, Courtiers, and the nation.
Possibly the earliest of the onmyodo disciplines to reach Japan in the sixth century A.D was that of jugondo.
Jugondo was concerned with issues such as the vanquishing of monsters; curing of disease; freeing people, places and objects from possession by spirits (evil or otherwise); dispersing of apparitions, etc.
A highly ritualistic discipline, it incorporated Chinese medical practices, Taoist spells and charms, magic invocations, and forms of hypnosis to induce mystical states in the practitioner. In these altered states, jugondo practitioners would undertake feats such as fire-walking and pouring boiling water in their bare skin without harm...


Over the centuries, however, the various arts and practices of onmyodo gradually became absorbed into Shinto and Buddhist tradition, and also into the disciplines of the shugenja, and other ascetic groups, to the point where onmyodo - as a distinct tradition in it's own right - to all intents and purposes ceased to exist.


Today, the term onmyodo is unknown even amongst many of those people who, under a different name, practice the various surviving elements of this ancient mystical, curative, and magically ameliorative tradition.


*sorry if some of this info is vague I shall explain some of the shinto beliefs soon*



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Epitaph
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Here is a couple pictures of the semei shrine which abe lived in.

This is the front of the shrine


the courtyard




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dude!!!!!!!!!!!i went there on one of my tours.It was when i went to see the giant buddah and shrines in Kamkura and Enoshima.I took a tour that lasted 3 days.
SHIBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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very interesting. i now know something new which means i've got something new to research now.



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*bump bump*

*smiles*


Can't let a good thread down!



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Epitaph
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Sorry everyone I kind of screwed up with those last pictures here are two more.

The first on is the front of the shrine



this is the bridge at the shrine not a real good pic of it though.



And this last one is a priest during a ceremony at the shrine.




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Seems pretty interesting. I love most of the Eastern philisophies and ways of life. I think if we used a little bit more of an eastern way of practicing medicine [i.e. using herbs instead of harsh drugs that usually cause worse side effects than the problem for taking them] we'd have a lot less malpractice suits, hospital care would be a lot cheaper and people over all would be a lot healthier.



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interesting, i looked in my books and couldn't find anything....some of it sounds familiar though.
-ecstasy



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Wow very interesting.......I will check this more into detail



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omfg, i need to make a travel now...



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Epitaph
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Mystique I would have to agree with you on that. I do think think if herbs were used here abit more alot People would be more healthier. Its better than taking medicines sometime with a million sydafects. As for those that can't find anything on it. Reason being this practice wasn't recorded by western culture much. So to get more info most likely you will have to read japanese. (then again I could be wrong)



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dam!!! this is good stuff, thank's



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* bump bump*

*smile*



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lunarvampiress
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not a clue what this really is plese write me and explane im inter rested in it



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Epitaph
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Um sure I will be happy to explain it to you.



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18:36:24 Jul 01 2005
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Interesting thread, some good information on Japanese philosophy and religion, but what in the bloody heck does it have to do with Wicca?



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AnnLee
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vampkamui, this is very interesting, I wonder does it have any relation to the scientology we hear so much about these days?
Thank you for sharing this.......its a great class. *winks*



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thats cool tell more



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Well Toilet duc***
It does seem to have a connection it is majick may it beelemental or spritual but it is majick...i believe closer to Shamanism but that is just my opinion.



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leah
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wow i really dont know anything about that.



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Gylanah
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Quite interesting... I do not practice wiccan myself, but I am always willing to learn more... I hope more information is discovered soon....



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mistertricky13
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reading this is better than history class was :)



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LifeIsKillingMe
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Buddha kicks ass.... seriously....lol



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Epitaph
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Um AnnLee could you be a more specific in your question.



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AnnLee
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hum, well I dont know alot about either of them however I have heard that in Scientology they practice the use of herbs and have similar ideas as what you have found here.....so I guess I just wondered if they maybe on the same path with some of their practices....natural healing, they rely on the stars for much and mother earth for other things.



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