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Today, I had an interesting and thought-provoking discussion. It all began with the words, "Bloody Mary". I was trying to explain what the drink can contain. So naturally, we veered off-topic and it ended up a discussion on our Inner Being. A religious person stood up and said that our inner being should resonate with God's will and that all other inner beings are and should be Reptilian in nature. What he meant was that anything contrary to God's Will is to be considered "Evil"... Like the Serpent. What he couldn't explain was why it should be so. The discussion ended on this note.

So that comment on the Serpent being evil made me think. The only Reptilian inner being I can think of is the Serpent. Across the many cultures, mythologies, and legends, the Serpent has held a special place in people's beliefs. And possibly, sprouting from this Serpent stories are that of other Reptilian creatures, like the dragons, for example.

My question is this: What is it about the Reptilian nature that common people could possibly be afraid of and over time, come to abhor, and viewed with much revulsion?

Why do these stories of cold-blooded Reptilians put so much fear into us? Is it wired in our DNA (so to speak) that although we are warm-blooded creatures, there is what they call, the animal in us? And should this inner being be (for the ones on the LHP... or even those on the RHP that can grasp this concept) be Reptilian in nature? I have read about how the "good" people are the ones more susceptible to these things.

What could this possibly speak of our spiritual evolution?

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its probably a race memory refering to when humans co existed with dinosaurs.in beowulf gendrel is described as having a pot belly ,a big mouth with lots of teeth,big hind legs,small front legs and a long tail.its a carnosaour.the bible describes a diplodacaourus.the lethiahten

Maybe that if humans evolved so can everything else?

I donno anyone who is really afraid of reptilians,
then people down south where they drink and
see too much to understand anything,without a
flaming torch or shot gun.

Our spirits can be different though.
That's more understandable.....
and that's all i got to say about that.

I only ascribe to my own hocus-pocus mumbo jumbo heretical system of beliefs. I will say this much, though, if given the opportunity, I would totally go to a conspiracy theorist convention, with reptilian eye contacts, appropriate sinister sunglasses, a business suit, clipboard, and a pen. I would claim to be from The Intergalactic Census Bureau, and I would like them to answer some questions, and if possible, speak into the pen.

I would also carry a box of twinkies for just such an occasion, as I've noticed that a lot of gung-ho conspiracy nutjobs tend to be conveniently, and hilarious overweight/obese/out-of-shape.

The conspiracy theorist mob would chase me out of sheer rage, huffing, puffing, and babbling incoherently. To the bystander, it's a bunch of fat people chasing after someone who has a box of creme filled snack cakes. Hilarity will ensue.

Well, what I asked was a valid question. It's probably something you've never thought of, idbeholda. Many reports of possession, even the fake ones, report reptilian behaviour by the possessed. In some cultures, when someone goes into a trance, he/she exhibit snake-like behaviour.

My question is simple. Why such reptilian behaviour? Could it all be linked to the parable of the great Serpent. There is also the Leviathan if one thinks about it. It's nothing too profound, I hope. If it is too profound, then I should have simplified it for people like you.

To answer a few of your veiled questions that I'm seeing here, and feel free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting any of them through perceived ignorance from your end.

In regards to possession, most of the time, possession is often faked and used by the victim as a cry for attention. In almost every case reported, the person or persons claiming to be under the control of an invisible entity, tend to demonstrate lower intelligence, lowered self esteem, and last, but not least, a high susceptibility to suggestion AND co-dependency with moderate to severe schizophrenic and/or schizotypal personality traits serving as factors of comorbidity.

That's not too say possession never happens, but it's usually overreported, and more reflective of some other underlying cause such as poverty our mental illness. Mass hysteria also shares many common traits with these circumstances. There have been a handful of documented cases where there is no scientific empirical explanation regarding the circumstances in a case of possession, short of suggesting that the human mind taps into some sort of collective psyche as Carl Jung suggests. You're more than familiar with Jungian and abnormal psychology, I would assume, but in the off chance that you're not, Google it.

Next on the list, the serpent. Adam and Eve. Garden of Eden. This one is actually pretty easy to explain. Biblically, Satan manifested himself as a serpent, and tempted Eve with forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge. Disregarding God's quite apparent mistake of leaving the metaphorical liquor cabinet unlocked, and acting angry and surprised when his latest creation imbibed those "evil spirits", which I believe to be nothing more than critical thinking and creativity, Pandora's box was opened. I shouldn't really need to explain much further as to why reptiles are associated with "evil".

Some cultures viewed the Serpent and Dragons as wise. It only became "evil" when someone did not like the idea of people having such wisdom. The kundalini which is described as a serpent coiled at the base of the spine in the base chakra is innate in all and when awakened leads to enlightenment and self realization. Evil is subjective.

Excellent posts, idbeholda & Lylia... and mirrored a few of my own thoughts on this topic. In addition to those expressed, I would add a couple of my own:

Only if your background isf fundamental Christianity is the reptile considered inherently evil. We use terms like "cold-blooded" as a synonym for being sociopathic, cruel and/or unfeeling. Yet this is our hang-up, our emotional misinterpretation of their physiology that has absolutely nothing to do with how reptiles might actually feel. There is nothing in the reptile that has him/her being at all "evil" or cruel or wicked. In fact, cats far better fit this definition as can be observed anytime they are found toying with and slowly killing their prey for sport; something reptiles never do.

And as Lylia points out, in cultures that are not Western, reptiles and reptilian forms were interpreted and understood to have just the opposite significance, representing goodness and wisdom.

Yet again... considering reptiles to be wicked and evil is evidence not of the validity of such a charge but, instead, only evidence of ignorance on the parting of those making that charge.

Thank you all for your posts. They definitely shed some light on the topic of the world having a somewhat Reptilian origin... Our primal tendencies... considering there is a romantic notion of something called the Cosmic serpent and all that jazz. The East and West difference again. It is very interesting and humbling to note that the difference has dwindled in the past years. In the Chinese culture, the snake is one of the 12 Zodiac signs, in Hinduism, there is also the curse of the Serpent when one has the "mark" of the Snake refelcted in his/her horoscope! Even in the West, I assume, the Serpent is frowned upon in some esoteric circles. I mean there will always be people who would laugh at this notion. But yes, it is interesting, nonetheless.

In the Book of Genesis, man’s dislike for snakes resulted from a divine intervention: To avenge the snake’s luring of Eve to taste the fruit of knowledge, God instituted eternal enmity between their descendants.

Also wanted to throw in a lil something for one to ponder. The term cold blooded is used to describe one who is unfeeling or non emotional in their actions or reactions. This is often associated with reptiles and deemed all too often as "evil"

Let us consider something for a moment though.. that emotions are some of the primary culprits for most crimes. Consider the one who murders out of jealousy, pride, lust, and dare I even say love.

To detach from ones emotions and not react from them but out of wisdom is something I personally would consider Divine.

Problem is that, Lylia, is that sociopaths do commit heinous acts and... think or feel nothing of it. While others react primarily or only to their emotions without bothering to think, first.

Point is, emotions one way or the other are not the issue. What is... is not thinking and acting based on thought more than on emotion. And that is far too rare in our world, today. Con-men (and women) are continually... now more than ever... duping people out of their money, their votes and their freedoms by appealing strictly to emotion at the expense of and directly contrary to the facts. And all because the masses never bother to stop and think, first!

However, all of this is rather beside the point and focus of this discussion.

The point here is simply that the term "cold-blooded" as relates to reptiles has absolutely no connection with the term "cold-blooded" as relates and applied to evil. And the only reason people think it might, is due strictly to their Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious foundations that unjustly and ridiculously vilify reptiles as inherently evil.

Once again... this is the result of people NOT actually thinking but, instead, reacting emotionally, only, to their religious and cultural upbringings.

As a note of irony, in some circles it had been said that Latin, the root form of a significant portion of modern spoken and written languages central to Europe, is the language of the demons. Also, a misconception, as Hades was the God of the afterrealm. Hell was a concept applied after the Roman empire had consolidated and omitted various Gnostic texts from original Christian traditions, both written and oral, as a way to exert political and financial control over the masses that were, at large, poor and/or illiterate, thus at the mercy of an oligarchy with near limitless military power.

Modern Christianity, unsurprisingly, bears little to no resemblance to its original form, which was mostly interpersonal Gnosticism, while still greatly tied to the same structure and hierarchy that comprises our current concept of Greek mythology. Just like the game of telephone, everyone who was in power at some point or another would typically add their own personal spin, whether factual or not.

Case in point, King James, and as much as it may piss a lot of people off, next to L Ron Hubbard (creator of $¢ientology) and H.P. Lovecraft's (elder gods/outer realm/Cthulhu mythos), categorically, and undeniably, is one of the greatest fiction writers in the history of the human race. The point of this statement is to bring to light the fact that any religious manuscript, no matter how old, or divinely inspired it may or may not be, is ultimately tainted by human intervention with some ulterior motive.

This is why I have major problems with organized religion of any kind. And yeah, I know it's kinda off topic, but I felt it was something that should be considered in any philosophical discussion regarding religion or spirituality. One of the greatest quotes I can paraphrase comes from the movie K-PAX.

"Doctor, every living being knows the difference between right and wrong. And this policy of eye for an eye that you ascribe to is universally known for its stupidity. You see, both Buddha and Christ had a much different view of the world. The problem is that nobody every really listened to them. Not even the Buddhists or the Christians."

I should probably stop before I appear too crazy or off topic, but seriously, it's best to educate yourself in any manner possible before really accepting prefabricated religious or spiritual information. Point is, most everyone is blind in some way. The question is, to what extent, and if the ignorance is willful or not. In most cases, I believe that it is.

As many have already pointed out the Serpent as evil is portrayed mostly in Christianity.In Ancient Egypt the Serpent Apep swallowed the sun.In the Bible the Serpent tempted Eve.But if we look at the Chinese Dragons(which were serpentlike in form),we find that they were considered gods,children of the sky.People prayed to them for luck,for rain,for health;just like Christians pray to their god today.
In Ancient China to be called a Dragon or a Serpent was an honor,it meant that the individual was strong and wise.In martial arts for example the titles of Dragon and Serpent are used to Show respect for individuals that have mastered a forbidden of fighting.A Dragon is an undisputed master of his/her forbidden who has bested all the challengers in his/her Region,but has also achieved some sort of Enlightment.A Serpent is Kind of like a First Disciple of a Dragon,or differently put the Dragon`s successor.

As Sangreas has posted in all the cultures snakes and serpents are seen in different ways. Which I find interesting. I love legends and lore of cultures.

In my own culture there are many legends of serpents/snakes. One that has always been my favorite is about a Omahksoyisksiksina which translate to Big Water Snake. This warrior must kill it and remove its heart and it is said the heart will tell him the future. No other warrior had killed it to date. He has to go see this old shaman to get 3 special arrows to kill it. I won't post what happens because it is a really good story to look up and read. Shamans believe snakes to hold power and many medicine pouches are made of snake skin.

In my vision of an iguana it was magnetism and shock.

Kudos to you Idbeholda, its good to see not all humans blindly accept everything they are told. Anyone willing to think first and check out all avenues, deserves some respect.

As for the term "evil"...well its something humanity loves to slap on to things they either dislike or get killed by i.e man gets eaten by a shark, the shark is now a monster that needs to be hunted down and killed.

Humorously its mankind that is the world's evilest monster, they kill and steal for just petty reasons.

Back to the topic though, I can only say what others have said quite correctly, that serpents were demonized by christianity, its all just bias and demonizing there.

Anyone with a decent brain knows reptiles are just instinctual creatures that just kills to feed themselves, there is no malice in it. As someone here who put quite well, Cats are more malevolent than reptiles.

When I first saw this post, I thought it was going to be about that, (somewhat new), conspiracy theory regarding "reptilian people." I'm going to start a separate thread for that as it is a totally different topic.

Also, I think it is wrong to consider an entire species "evil" just because of one bad apple. And if you really think about it, Eve was not tempted by an actual snake. She was tempted by the devil who just chose to appear as a snake. It was Satan who was evil. The snake was just an illusion created by Satan.