nuclear science,geometry,sound,magick and space...do you think they are related? If so,how.
for my reply, i reference the Ars Sanguines page for the coven of the darkest Blood.
Nuclear science, space, and magic are most definitely connected - at least so far as I have studied them. So far, the smallest thing we have discovered is an atom, and within the atom is the nucleus. All things known to us are comprised of atoms, therefor nuclear science is necessary. Space is a word which means a set parameter. In order to effect change through magic, one should know there surroundings to an extent.
I personally believe that the idea of magic without religious ties, has a more scientific basis than what I have described above, but I don't want to hog the forum.
Actually,I wish you would hog it.Because I feel the same as you do as this goes.
It all in the energy. if you want to go the science route energy cant be destroyed so some people that do magic all people that does in pulls from this....read up on alchemy some of it science and magic...
Because everything exists and there is magic in everything. Especially the living things. Although science does passes over magic onto a more material form. Because of this it may seem magic and science are in no way related but they do exist mutually. It goes back to atomsin a way...I believe.
Einstein once said that any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic. to many, magic and physics seem to be a contradiction, but when you get to subatomic physics, the rules change, and science and magic are as one.
Magic and science are two different parts of the same whole. Both come from the ALL (the great spirit). All of space, time is within that and came from that. All things that have to do with magic and science are indeed related its just different sides.
I agree with everything that has been said they are all related because energy is in all things and they correspond with all magical things..
We use nature in Magical works, we use science in all magical works as well.. and it is all linked to one another through the other.
During the Catholic repressions of the Renaissance all science was regarded as alchemic (a species of magick investigation)... Leonardo da Vinci was regarded as a dabbler in the dark arts of science... it is only latterly that science has come to be seen as different from magick...
So being practitioners do you study all the different componenets? or are you mostly sticking to one or the other?Because personally,I have found that sometimes one simply cannot find an answer in only one area.
a complete balance i think that is one of the keys to magic and science
I think faith in what you can do is important as well..learn all that you can
I was going to give a dissertation here about my general theory regarding Astrology/Astronomy and the effects on Earth based life/energy but it seems the thread is going in a completely different direction. Suffice it to say that, while I don't practice "magic" per se, understanding every effect one has on the smallest elements known as atoms, to the cosmic and celestial bodies is the most apt way of performing magic. In order to understand that effect, one must use science.
By order of Oceanne, I am compelled to respond.
Typically, when I expound on this subject I have had time to properly compose a more understandable statement - but here goes.
Space, typically referring to any area that is not of Earth, is directly related to the elemental particles which compose our reality. If anyone has followed some of the threads in regards to belief, you'll see that this is a contradiction, but bear with me. The Earth's water is affected most dramatically by the gravitational pull of the Moon, a consequence known as the tidal force. We as humans and comprised of 70% water are not least effected.
Allow me to digress momentarily while I explain the chemical known as Oxytocin. Also in a previous thread regarding sex magic, I explained that during orgasm the brain is flooded with this hormone and neurotoxin which elevates the feeling of religious oneness and trust. My statement of "flooding" is relative. Western Medicine has created a synthetic version of this neurotoxin known as Pitocin which they use to induce labor in pregnant women. Western practitioners claim it does not flood the brain in the same manner as the natural product but overdose can lead to convulsions, hemorrhaging and death - indicating that it does enter the central nervous system. It doesn't take much to overdose the patient, either. The body, making this product naturally, knows how much to make in order to attain the proper level - and so we see that "flooding" is relative to the person being exposed.
I tell you that to tell you this. Our hormones and neurotoxins are a delicate balance and dance of nature within ourselves. Electrical currents flow through millions and millions of neurons with such precision it is nearly devine. But they being made primarily of water, as is the nature of the human body, are subject to the intricate working of the celestial bodies as well as their immediate surroundings. This, of course, is assuming that the body is still only affected by the gravitational pull on water, which would be near sighted.
The truth of the matter is that each planet and star within the sky is effected by it's neighbor as a result of force and propulsion. This force and propulsion is known as energy, and is evident in each quantum of physics, from the planets orbiting the sun to the nucleus of the atom with which we started the conversation. The effect of a series of planets upon another planet will create a gravitational or even magnetic force upon an individual human, his hormones, and normal functions, regardless of how minute. As I have demonstrated, a minute effect on a person's neurotoxin can have dramatic effects on their being.
This is my GENERAL theory of the effects of Astrology/Astronomy on the physiology of life on Earth. So what does that have to do with magic? Everything. It's best to understand exactly what is affecting all of our most intimate parts before, during, and after performance of magic.
ineed plus for some thinkin about things on a scienetific way is easy for some to understand
Anybody care to talk the relationship of sound/vibration in all this?
Thank you. I'm actually eager to see if Soulshroude will post. I'd love to hear his take.
it’s all paradigms ….. some need to change.
Herb magic was your first DR or chemist. Now they synthesize the part they think works strongest and it causes so many problems. Why not stick with the original formulas… coz they wont make so much money.
For all the DRs work they find laughing a cure, they find placeboes work as well as medicine.
Yes there will always be an exception.
Im one, I was told I had three years due to Hodgkin's disease … over 8 years ago.
True im a witch and have self medicated myself from my herb law and used magic on myself.
Paradigms shift, would I be dead now if I took the meds they recommended and followed there treatment.
The church and it’s damning of such under the rule of not altering “gods work”…. What was alchemy but the complete alteration of “gods” work to make money lol
Science it’s self is built on faith and not fact lol
It’s a power game thru n thru, im glad science has reached quantum levels and more like string theories it’s like a supper science based on more than we know right now… for dimensional work… yes science belies in dimensions.
Shamans have been viewing it for all of time around the world, astral ascending … not new to some.
So it’s all paradigms shifts
Zeitgeist The Movie!
If you are suggesting effecting change through sound, your concentrations would best be left on vibrations alone. Sound is a direct result of the intensity of vibration, combined with the objects involved. The pitch and sound themselves are byproducts that I doubt have much effect, though now that I think about it they would be a useful tool to decide how intense of a vibration to use.
Actually ,vibration does indeed correlate heavily with the body functions and can have a big affect on the health of an individual.
Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained. The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one.
Interestingly enough,he latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mindâ¬"s influence on weather patterns and more.
Just a little reading while we wait for soulshroude's post..
http://theparty.netraver.org.za/Magic.html
Alright, now for the information I had promised you all.
Bravo..Soulshroude.
I couldnt have said it better..in fact I couldnt say it at all..I have been trying to,but couldnt put it into writing.Thank you.
I do happen to have a good pic of the angels trumpet..I will post that.
Thankyou Oceanne, I would love to elaborate more, but I want to read some replies to the first post. I am sure a debate or something is going to come of this.
applaudes Soulshroude that was awesome dear you touched on each base and layed it all out there for us thank you so much there are those of us who know what we want to say but at times just can't make it make sense at all.. I thank you again.
I am really hoping there isnt one.Seems to me,that if peeps think about it some,they will find there are more pros than cons on this, and will take advantage of that aspect.And it doesnt even matter if someone believes it or not..I feel this is a subject that could go on for quite a while..but thats JMHO.
The picture you posted, looks as though it is a quantum flux of what an energy baloon should look like.
The baloon is a type of lached energy. In a way it has its own bio-kenetic properties even though it has formed from differant types of energies. One big mass of atoms, formed into a huge cunduit. Like that of what a blessing is made of. Like looking at blessed water in a micro radiated scope.
ooh pretty graphic with lots of colors.....
all those things are related. as a matter of fact, just about everything is related in terms of energy. it's my belief that all things are comprised of energy, it's the powerful driving force that makes the universe tick, whether it be light or dark energy. everything is a result of an energetic exchange and/or is representative of an energetic flow. thats my short answer.
Now we are almost ready for the placement of the color spectrum as it relates to the topic at hand.
Indeed it is.Now,with that being a pic of the angels trumpet, if it were lets say,sounded,how do you feel that would affect the human heart? With that latched energy sig.would it not in fact tune the heart to A440,therefore giving a person a sense of...peace?And also,what affect do you think it would have on superconductive DNA strands?
That goes into the subject of energy and sound. The waves, no matter how profound, decibel wise barely effects the individual metaphysically. Just physically. The amplified waves traveling through the strands of energy connect to the host, in this case, the user of the instrument. Which is why Beethoven had communications with the angelic race, and why St. Germaine always says listen to the music.
Yes,you gotta love the metaphysics.
Now the fun figurign it out begins... Because the atomic neutron is composed of various spheres called atomic alpha waves (helium atoms) and other variations of the atomic alpha wave. The atomic alpha wave is composed of 4 protons in various spins which define 4 fundamental musical keys.
I also believe it is why people are so in love with music as well.It is ingrained in our dna..communication device you might say.
Clever girl, you are very much on the right track...I do hope that in your list of 4 it includes the Ohm.
Lets see ....There are 7 colors and 7 tones in the dominant half. The 7 colors are yellow-orange, yellow, yellow-green, green, blue-green, blue, and blue-violet. These 7 colors are the tones A, E, B, F#, C#, G#, D#.
And when the atom moves out to the atomic electron section (the radioactive elements beyond the bismuth atom), it introduces a second set of colors or tones called anti-colors or anti-tones. Hmmmm wonder what those anti tones are all about..
And here go Om
http://www.planetware.de/audio/T5S13610.wav
136.10 Hz = C#
Stop making fun of my failures...This site is just plain wierd when it comes to coding. Blahhhh.
You must remember to close your tags.
STABB
Im not makin fun..hey I have my failures too..but what the heck? can we do something about that?
I like the style change its a bit discordian. neat...
But lovely site....interesting information. I found something on Chaosmatrix about something similiar...i just seem to be a bit lost in my files looking for it.
Hahah you would Infernal..I think I like the old look..You are still looking through your files for that? Cant wait to see what you have..
ya know. for people who seek to plunder the deepest mysteries of the universe....screwing up HTML coding is just well kinda funny.....
I'll have the the stuff soon hopefully....so many files....i wonder where i put it....
Hey now, mysteries I know...Html on the other hand, with this site, it is a bit challenging...I have never encountered a site that challenges code.
So in you opinion,what do you feel links vibration with the soul?
Energy.
Energy on that level is both vibration on a wave form and particles so it would be the interplay between them both that causes the vibrations to bring to the physical world the magicks that you would have.
You start with a desire....just energy, and impulse, you move this desire to will, your body becomes involved, having made known your desire your vibration comes from the interaction of the initial desire, with the steps taken to make the desire manifest.
A simplier idea would that thought of electricity in the brain causes the stimulation of the muscles which allow for the vibration of the nerves to achieve the task, an act of magick ( magick here as a term that is generic for the undeniable unidentifiable force that causes changes in the environment); be this a heart rate, the flow of blood, or the spoken word.
If it is the spoken word we correlate here with the construct of magicks, then what is had is an interplay between the microcosm of the mind, and the macrocosm of the world at large. You think, therefore you speak, when you speak you cause changes.
The act of speaking causes vibrations which are heard as sounds, these sounds when put together in constructs such as word/song what have you shift the recipient energy to being able to identify, to process and act accordingly to the thing being spoken. The causing of the macrocosm to manipulate and change the microcosm of another.
Here is a favorite quote of mine...
Phonons are the tiniest particles of sound. Phonons are to sound as photons are to light.
It takes billions of phonons to make up a sound. Phonons oscillate, echo, reverberate etc. at the sub atomic level in the quantum soup".
Pauline Oliveros
Personally i do think they are all related. as I believe that in some way, shape, or form that all religions are related. I think balance is created by all the differences that we have here between race, religion, etc. Without all that i feel like everything would be thrown off.
Just clarification for any casual observers or those who would like to dispell beliefs in this thread, dark energy is an energy that was "discovered" by the scientific community not all that long ago - yes, it does exist. It's not simply a metaphysical concept.
Now, Soulshroude - I have only one question for you (and no I don't think it will make your entire statement fall apart). I thought you said there was no such thing as Black Magic. Can you expand, for the readers and myself, what you mean by dark energy being the source for black magic? I think, but I'm not sure, that I know what you mean.
Cats in the wild and your house caqts use sound to heal broken bones and to cure themselves when thay are sick..with the tone of there purr..I read this some where cant remember where. and thank right light also have and effect. this is a cool tread
Yes it has WB..and what excellent point..I am putting a few of my links here so others might read what it says about this.This discovery was made I believe in 1998 or thereabouts?So I am sorry if my links are a bit outdated.
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/science/f_dkenergy.html
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2004/12/
so a balance between sci and magic would prob make both strounger but this is a debate because science need proof of every thing..lol.. we need the science of magic
Nice Lajah..LOL just happen to have some links on that too.
http://askascientist.binghamton.edu/may-jun/25may06ask.html
http://www.timesnews.net/community_article.php?id=185
You think there could be the reason witches have always kept cats around?
I agree Lajah,but I am thinking also,we can look at this and hopefully see and perhaps confirm many origins ....beyond bedtime stories and myth.
well alot of witches i think use cant as a direct link to the energy of magic...or cat were worship as gods so it could be old memory or it just seem natural to have a cant around. but since having cats and being a witch have been togather for hundreds o years this could just be learned behavior...maybe. plus cant are one of the worlds perfect killers i know witches use them for protection
Lahjah,
Off the topic of cats, but witches and vibration, chanting, singing, dancing. These they employ, rhythmic drumming in their circles. This is how they employ this particular current in their art.
yes it is drums and singing and chattin are a big part have been for ever and a day
I think they all intertwine perfectly, if one contradicts the others, then one of them is off, and needs to be rethinked. I think quantum physics has done more for me spiritually, than you might think possible.
Good call Infernal. One for the catlink..the vibration of the purr also promotes relaxation and other fuzzy feelings..sounds like a component to me that could very possibly contribute towards being a good witch..relaxed means thorough meditaion..or for a healing witch,tuning into the cats purr vibration thus helping her with her healing..Or the cat even being there with her on the battle field after a battle to help with its purr...so on and so forth.I see lots of connections there.
Another thing to look at would be essential oils and their frequencies..
1 Hertz (Hz) = 1 oscillation per second or ops.
1 Kilo Hertz (KHz) = 1,000 ops
1 Mega Hertz (MHz) = 1,000,000 ops or 1 million
1 Giga Hertz (GHz) = 1,000,000,000 ops or 1 billion
1 Tetra Hertz (THz) = 1,000,000,000,000 ops or 1 trillion
The frequencies in the oils start at 52 MHz and go as high as 320 MHz.
Rose (Rosa damascena) has the highest of all the oils at 320 MHz.
Clinical research shows that essential oils have the highest frequency of any natural substance know to man.Kool huh?
Another thing to note is the influence that thoughts have on our frequency.
It was proven that negative thoughts lowered the measured frequency by 12 MHz, and positive thoughts raised the frequency by 10 MHz. It was also found that prayer and meditation increased frequency levels by 15 MHz.
Essential oils align frequencies, thus balancing and harmonizing body organs.
Mixing or blending essential oils amplifies these frequencies Just what a witch needs right?.
MHz. Frequencies ..
Angelica 85
Juniper 98
Peppermint 78
Basil 52
Lavender 118
Ravensara 134
G. Chamomile 105
Myrrh 105
Helichrysum 181
Galbanum 56
Sandalwood 96
Tansy, Idaho 105
Wow I knew there was a connection but never pin pointed them .
By the way the angel trumpets would make an awsome back ground .
It is beautifl isnt it? Im glad the thread has been helpful...lots more to come.
Stabb,thank you for fixing the thread.
WOW Oceanne Great thread! glad to see theres alot of real info in it Nice job your doing!! in here !! Now back to the shadows I go!
WOW Oceanne Great thread! glad to see theres alot of real info in it Nice job your doing!! in here !! Now back to the shadows I go!
science and magik are most certainly related, infact just different way to the same end...
In old times there was not one without the other, that is until religion desided that magik was of the devil, and anyone that could creat things, or heal without the use of science was a witch or worlock... the worst part of the whole thing is that you need both aspects in order to create really effective results...
Science, math and magik...they are all needed, one does not thrive without the others...333
That might very well be true Jez,but I guess my whole point is that majick isnt something that just goes Poof..there are things that make it work and those things are the things I have listed and even didnt list.Besides,it is fun to see the connections.I also believe that one cannot truely understand majick unless they have an understanding of other subjects that pretain to it.
your mind has to be open to laern new things...a open mind is the way to the gods..the more you know the better life can be.
Personally,I would love to see more practitioners tell us how they utilize the different sciences to aid in thier majick.
well i burn herbs and chat when i am healin people. also sometimes i use a stroub light. i slow down the flashes on the light to relax people before i start to heal them
Hey thats kool..what bpm do you happen to set your strobe at?
And ,I am wondering which herbs or essential oils you might use as well?
it a old strub light i dont know bpm..it depends on the person. I wil ajust it until the person feel that it is right. herds dragons blood, potculli cant spell i know hell i got a book of herds some i will try and find it andgive a good list
Hey that would be great,thank you..I would like to have a look and see what properties the herbs have..too bed you cant determine what the bpm is,it would be very interesting to see what the the setting readout would be when they start to feel relaxed.
Actually,you could prolly just count it and post the count number here.Then I could check it out.:)
i look up most of my herbs in the naturalist herb guide also there is some good stuff in the element encyclopedia of witchcraft. can find my personal book right know back i have alot of herd wrote down in it.sorry i cant be more of a help..2 hrs of sleep in two days...lol the life of a bouncer
I also use energy like i have tired to give it to somepeople to heal them like over the phone or computer and touch
niccce..hehe get some sleep ..you can always post later..thats the beauty of it.
Thats and interesting aspect you brought up also...usinf the internet and such for your art...kool
i think they are different topic entirely.because some of it are scientific,supernatural,nature,and generation.... magic dealth with supernatural not anybody can do it. nuclear science can be acquired by learning it is a thing u can study.with geometric or wateva i think its a thing of nature that exist in its own aspect of life.with sound its a thing of generation which applicable to anyone...when u sleep u make sound,when u walk or having sex.sorry had to put it that way.lol i think they are different aspect of life if i understand what u mean by ur post
true if I am reading your post right..but you dont think there is any correlation to one another that links it all back to majick?If not,why do you feel this way?
supernatural to means,things that other people can do that leaves me amazing.like magic,spells and others. well basically if u say everything is magic that means existence is magic.eating is magic,sleeping is magic coz this things we do are something we all have in common so they are not magic. nature and magic are two different things... magic comes under supernatural.someone can be supernatural and dont know how to perform magic.some in their dreams and some alive by incantation. but in the case of nature some of em depends on science like nuclear,where we got nuclear fission and nuclear fussion,uranium and atomic. this things are science while magic is one of the things that make someone unique which is one of the things i consider supernatural
Pirate....
Your comments do indeed tie into magick.
Magick is just a term we use to concieve of the energy and laws that govern things that we have yet to define, yet to understand. Its not all spell casting and ritual work, It is the understanding and apply of the supernatural laws.
Supernatural- being above the common nature of something.
So the subtle currents that cause desired changes by thought, word, deed, all of it is technically magick.
Occult- hidden or secret knowledge.
So its nothing that truely separates us on a physical level. The natural magnetisims can be applied successfully by anyone who seeks them. It is science, chemstry, geometry, and everything else.
Magick (thanks to crowley got the -K on the end to distinguish it) is the causation of desired changes through the aplication of the directed will to cause the events that cause the desired change in the environment.
A thought, a word, an action no matter how simple is an example of changes in the world as related to the state the world was in before things were said....
If you shouted to someone to get their attention and they heard you, or they didnt they will respond, or you will get annoyed. Thus causing a form of change. Same is for spells which are by their nature meant to manipulate the nature of things.
Ritauals and rites either invoke or evoke forces of nature to cause changes....
It is science, not blind faith.
In years before science was coined as science it was called magik because the primative people at the time did'nt fully understand the genetics of the universe
and the rules of reality. Magik like anything else is considered supernatural or paranormal as these are the words used now a days to describe what was once called magik and as we know the meaning of these two words basically mean something that can't be explained. Now I am a Adept at the arts myself and I will most certainly say that now a days magik still has the same meaning however not everything fits into this catagory with scientific break threws and such but as said everything in the universe is part of a complicated web of time, space and reality so in the litereal sense everything is connected, we all know that everything around us has energy and we use this energy in our magik, thus in this sense everything has a corrolation with magik. Certain things in our plane of existance have different rules of reality then others, some can be explained and others hold their secrets. So everything in our universe is related on the level that everything has energy and this energy is part of the molecular structure of all things, eben a rock has energy and spirit, all things have a degree of intelligent wether they are sentient or not. Im not sure if I made myself clear on what im trying to say here but I hope it helps.