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Some Super Heroes are more Anti-Hero then hero. What makes an Anti-hero? In my studies I find Anti Heroes are usually out for personal gain (with bad guys bugging civilians in the way).

Most Anti Heroes are scorned by other super heroes, and civilian authorities alike. Hancock is a modern example of this.

How attractive is the Anti-Hero to those who follow them?

Are they a break from the stereotypical valiant characters?

When does an Anti-hero "cross the line", and become a Villain?

In todays culture and society with cameras on every phone or at hand, super heros(aka Role Models) are now the targets.

and dirt no matter how well the house is kept, you will always find a speck under the rug.

So we tend to seek flaws in Role Models, a keen observation Cadre.

I recall a few Issues when a Super Hero was dragged through the wringer for saving what people considered the wrong people in a them-or them-situation, Anti-Heroes appear less perplexed by such "heated critique".

Punisher is a fine example of such a cheer, then despise character.

are we talking fictional role models or super heros or todays culture. It does not matter the more in the spotlight seems that everyone looks for that bog story to give them a 10 minute fame as bringing down the super hero.

Look at the news lately with all the super heros(role models) are being targeted and are losing at a fast rate.
nobody is perfect and skeletons in the closet are with everyone.

I'll use Batman's Two Face character as an example. The superhero turned antihero is merely an extraordinary person who cannot overcome a tragic flaw. Had he been able to deal with his emotions and vanity properly, he would not have turned to a villain. Harvey Dent, the protagonist, turns into the antagonist and we lose the hero completely.

He questioned, the action of Bat Man, he built his response on the coin. I can see your point though meepers.

Questioning is never the problem. If anything he wanted Batman to work within the system of laws and justice and not as a rouge agent. Dent had the potential of being a real hero and not someone who rampantly destroyed property and violated individual’s 4th amendment rights.

I am not suggesting Batman wasn't a hero, but it goes back to the idea of an internal struggle for the hero to emerge instead of the antihero.

Anti heroes pick their battles by personal criteria, heroes have duty, honor, and creed. A rogue hero is the everyday joe who has been pushed to far, or caught up in a jackpot. Batman had the vigillente label, a lesser hero, perhaps?

Let's talk real life. Michael Phelps was the World's Hero until he showed up in a picture, recently. Now he is being given Hell by the media.

Phelps is no "Hero" just because he can swim fast doesn't make him special and him smoking pot just shows how much "human" he really is.

Heroes are people that change the world for the better and stand for something.Actors and sports people are NOT heroes,they are paid too much money to do something normal.

Role models are looked in some aspects as heros, they have always been noted as role models to others,. we cannot deny this, thats why so many scandels are brought up latley of people in the news all the time.

But as fictional characters going sour there are alot, spiderman with doc octupus, or venom, even the lizard or green goblin.
Characters whos lifes before seemed to be role models and after run ins or chemical disasters have now turned toward the life of crime.

We are confusing mere heroes with super heroes in the discussion. Think of comic books and movies instead of real life people.

Everything rests upon the perspective taken by the majority, and the spin provided by the media. Any hero can be made into a villain and any villain into a hero with no change in the person themselves.

We should remember that to the German population, Hitler was once a criminal, then a hero, then a monster. Perspective, propaganda and spin. Some of those who have mimicked some of Hitler's tactics have followed this pattern. We might benefit were we to recognize that they've not followed far enough.

so we as a society, judge role models, and heroes differently, what a hero doesn't do is just as important as any heroric deed. Icons are over invested in, then people want to see a fall" How does the hero respond to real life like mundane relativity?"

The anti hero is propeled by immediate circumstance, if he saves a few people along the way.. no sweat.

Depending on the act, i would say anti heroes still have their own following, like the joker turning people against batman, giving people the money. a toss of the coin is all it takes to seperate the two.

The aforementioned "toss of a coin" is more often the toss of public view, fueled by a media system interested only in selling "a story", and they will market the one which draws the most interest. People tend to be far more interested in the misdeeds of a public icon, than in the benevolent deeds of a villain.

As no one is "perfect", it is easier for those who obsess on their imperfections to find flaws in those that are considered extraordinary. Even "heroes" judge, have vices, fears, personal peeves... THis doesn't negate their deeds. It is simply an extension of their true nature. Does this imply that they may turn sour? Possibly, but not necessarily.

If we're on topic about general society, then simply put -- we are all human. We make mistakes. If we are on about comic book fiction, hey -- same applies! Since Batman has already been brought up, for those of you that have read any of the graphic novels, you'll know that oft times Bruce Wayne/Batman struggle to remain steady on a straight and narrow path. In fact, it's his humanity that has led him to occasionally cross the line; let's face it, he is based on a vigilante aproach to correcting wrongs. The lines of morality can often become blurred under such circumstances. However, as I stated, it doesn't negate the good deeds. It only displays a substructure that is not robotic and constricted by free-thinking.

Batman has always been an anti-hero because he doesn't always work within the law but serves his own justice.

The Punisher isn't a hero at all....he kills people when they do wrong and he doesn't think about laws when he kills.

do any super hero work within the laws or their own vigilanty justice. we see it on the films or read it in the comic books. yet it is justified for their acts are considered the good for humanity.

The scrutiny of public icons ebbs and flows, A popular quote," You better hope they have your dirty laundry in mind, you need the exposure."

So in comic books the Anti Hero is not there for a career?

Dark Wolf has a valued formula.

Think about Batman,think about The Punisher

Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered in front of him...he became someone who fought crime his way.To take back the fear he had for so long...he in turned used something(the bat) he was deathly afraid of to put fear in the hearts of the criminal.

Unlike Batman/Bruce Wayne,The Punisher lost his family to crime as well but instead of turning his loss into something to help others,he uses his anger to actually kill the bad guys.They both fight crime to get some of their humanity back but they also lost part of themselves along the way.

Superhero turns Anti-hero and crosses that line between the two once he stops acting like a cop and starts acting cool. This Anti-hero transforms in to a super-villain once he becomes too buissy with looking good.

Then there is private security. Speaking of which, where does the Mercenary fit in the social, or comic- verse? Do we tend to see the mercenary/bounty hunter, as an anti hero?

i would think the mercs and bounty hunters would be the classification of our own true sports stars and athletes they will be deemed as heroe till said time they go against what everyone expects.

i state the obvious but mercs and bounty hunters are the standard individual out for the money and the glory that comes with it yet they remain on the border of both worlds