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I was having a discussion with a friend of mine this morning, and I was left feeling intrigued. For those of you that actively drink blood from a donor, what is the nature of your feelings towards them?

I am especially interested in those of you who have a donor that is seperate to a partner. What do they mean to you?

It depends on the person that is feedig from said doner, som ppl treat them in very high standings others treat them as if they were slaves again it depends on the person. One thing to keep in mind is that there is a doners bill of rights you can find it in the book vampiers in there own words. Again some ppl follow the rules others do not. Should anyone wish to be a doner i would suggest the blood test themselvs often to make sure that they are clean, and they read the doners bill of rights that way they know if they are being lied to or somone is trying to take advantage of the doner.

It depends on how they treat the donor overall.

If the individual is into that sort of thing, then more power to you. It is always the donors choice to let the "bloodlet" happen. Abuse? I was unaware that donors are abused. That is of course, unless they are in a relationship that is mentally abusive from their spouse, which really has little to nothing to do with the bloodletting.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the "donor" concept. As I am vampire, I am a predator by nature and could really care less regarding anyone who wishes to "donate" for my "habit." It is really not the individuals choice as to whether I "feed" from them, since the true vampire's "feeding" habits are unknown to society. As such, donors are their for the fetish of "bloodplay" alone.

On a side note, the "Donor Bill of Rights" was written by an individual by the name of Balfazaar Ashintison and should be treated as a "roleplayers" manual for consenting donors who wish to tred on the path of "ritual bloodletting"

Donors do not need a bill of rights, this is just an authoritive way for the roleplayers to feel special in the long run.

Soulshroud; Do you mean to say that you actively attack people on the streets for their blood? Personally I find the idea of a willing donor somewhat easier. Yes, a person could stalk and run through the forest to bring down a deer by hand which they then could roast over a fire, but in this day and age it is much simpler to go to the deli and grab a sandwich.

I am also of the opinion that donors have the same rights granted to them by birth as anyone else and it is arrogant to think otherwise.

I am not sure where you get this idea that you are somehow more vampire than anyone else because you choose to force yourself on people. This is the 21st century, there are other very willing options that do not involve being jailed for assault.

for me, my donor is someone that is well taken care of and cared for, much like a lover is.

but that's just me

I have several friends who are active drinkers and their feelings towards donors varies.

Since there are so many diseases now a days most responsible drinkers will be very cautious about who they imbibe from, because of this they often get very close simply to ensure the background of their feast's host. It's like taking loving care of a cow who's milk you drink. Much like that cow though, no matter how loving the caresses and baby talk you babble at it many can't help but feel superior to their donors, seeing it as a one sided relationship where the stronger prevails. It is hard to continue considering someone who willingly puts their life in your hands as an equal, that power will get to you if you can't fight it. I'm not saying all feel this way by any means but many do.

That is why you see so many abusive drinkers. That constant submissive atmosphere in which they are the constant victor gets the better of their humanity and they warp a simple gift into an act of worship.

Few however understand a very symbiotic nature to the act and give as much as they receive, pleasure for pleasure.

The spectrum will swing madly on it's axis from person to person.

To me the blood must be pure, free of disease,and have a great taste.

To me blood testing is a MUST!! In this day and time it is to riskey NOT to test the idea is to keep you and your doner safe!

I agree, blood testing is a must in this day and age. I take it a step further though, and ask that my donor(s) sign a standard written contract so that way there is no chance of domestic violence or some other charges being brought into the picture. Other than that, my feelings towards my donor can either be deep or strictly business.

Both should be donors to each other. The brotherhood or sisterhood between them, should be without any barrier. There is a good feeling when you can taste the blood of someone that you care, and at the same time, that person also enjoy the same experience.

~Irony~ what I mean to say, is the fact that bloodplay is a fetish and only those with certain medical conditions are the only individuals that need to actually survive off of blood.

No, I do not actively attack anyone, since I do not need blood to survive. This is Roleplay fetish style, much like the Strigoivii belief system. Too many engage in this philosophy which is why "donors" are required within their world.

The true vampire does not need blood, but are active in "other" ways of "feeding," this is all I will say on this topic.

Those who wish to play the fetish game with blood, do as you wish... Donors are needed with this practice, but again, it really has nothing to do with true vampirism.

Society has been taught that blood is the major mile stone when it comes to the vampire. Mayhaps society needs new lessons in the ways of the vampire? But, who is willing to teach... HA!

My feeling towards a donor of blood as more of a friend then anything thats pretty much it nothing else

I'm sorry.. I just can't believe in actual vampires and people drinking from another.. Really? Seriously?
People can not drink blood without getting sick. It's medically proven and I'm medical. I at least know what I'm talking about somewhat...
Not only that but do you guys, honestly, think that some centuries old vampire would bother with some dinky little site and talk about his donors....
I think a lot of you are just mental.. No offense but damn...

Surprisingly, a lot of people do the mutual blood sharing/drinking as part of a relationship. You do not have to have any kind of belief in vampires for that to happen.

There are also tribes which have been ingesting blood since time immemorial, and they are not vampires. There is a tribe in the rainforest who feed blood from the strongest to someone who is sick in order to help them recover, and the nomads who bleed their animals for food. Some mix it with the milk, but for reindeer herders, they drink it hot as it bleeds out. There are people who will puke their guts up for all they are worth after drinking blood, but equally there are people who will thrive.

For what it is worth, I do not believe in the centuries old vampire either, I think it is a little far fetched. I do, however, believe in the blood from personal experience and from the experiences of close friends who have similar lifestyles.

Not all of us are deranged, it is just that 'vampire' is the closest description for what some people are looking for support with.

To me blood is a great gift and only accept it from a willing committed partner. I do not need it to survive but feel the exchange strengthens our bond.

My donor(of almost 6yrs) isn't my current partner nor never will be. He is precious to me in a way of what he offers me to take, nothing more. When I feed it is not a loving act nor done so in a way that's gentle. He is there to supply and quench a thirst for me. Nothing more. He accepts this and adores being able to do so. I protect those who are within my circle as I would those I love with my heart.

I agree that blood testing is imperative if you are going to have a donor. My feelings on donors are simply:

1. They should be respected and treated well

2. You as a vampire should be understanding if they are not up to the task at hand.

3. Do not over do the feeding. Take small amouts of blood so you will not injure your donor.

Now, I am a sexual sanguinarian. I usually try to have females as my donors. (I don't have a problem with male donors). I have found for me personally, (I don't know about you all) that having sex with your donor first increaces the blood flow in the body. Sometimes during sex, I take blood. But it is risky because we are moving around so I wait until we are tired out. I take the blood after sex.

I do not have sex with every donor unless they want me to have sex. Some of them are merely content to lie next to me.

Short and sweet, the individual will now-a-days, put themselves into any archetypical category that makes them differant for the sake of their own thought process's that have been provoked by childhood psychosis alone. Ah, to deal with the traumatic events of the past in ones own way, is not to be differant, but mayhaps simply nessessary to deal with mentally.

Go ahead and have your donors, swans, fetish's.. Just don't mix them in with "vampirism" anymore, this just makes that "community/sub-culture" look stupid and a bit strange to those outside your box.

It is no wonder why most of that sub-culture still has a hard time being "accepted." Because of the way(s) they go about things unnessessarily causing implications in the long run. Taken way too seriously, the roleplay of the "vamp(y)re" will have that effect.

Leave the strigoii out of your lives since it is all roleplay and find something else to occupy your precious time.

I am not a donor or bloodlet as some call theirselves, I just work with blood and science. LOL I think many who are donors and live that lifestyle is in control of how often or how much they should allow for another to feed from them. They should be treated with respect if this is the lifestyle you choose to live.

Yet, there are some disorders that people have which require blood to keep themselves healthy such as Thalassemia, this disorder can cause the tissues to age rapidly among other things, unless they get fresh blood on a routine dispense. I know of some who rather have it fresh from a human as in Bloodletting, yet, many will do it traditionally by medical means.

I know of some who have the vampiric lifestyle due to this disorder of the blood, yet, thye are select in their donors and respect them, as well as care and love them on some level. I mean they are actually helping these indiviuals to survive life.

Yet, we know that all who have donors are just in the lifestyle and not a means of true survival.

Sorry got alittle long winded there. LOl

Taste grate, yummy and I love my swans!
um my mate knows of them I do not hide them.
so to me they are loved deeply

I have 14 donors....all have been tested and all say they are strictly for my use. I have one for each day of the week for 2 weeks and cycle them. Some of them are close to me and some arent all that close, however they all openly agree to it.

Im sorry but I have to take a moment after reading the posts...... some here need to stop degrading others paths and name dropping in a negative light. I am not a follower of said paths but am accepting of everyones right to live as they will and use whatever terminology they feel in order to express what it is they do. Just because one does not agree does not give them the right to call people "role-players"
I understand everyone has the right to their own opinion but its getting a little old.....smh.....

Now on to the topic at hand.... Anyone that willingly gives of themself should be respected and thanked for such gifts (swan, donor, companion, partner whomever they maybe or what ever you may call them)

DarkTraveler

nicely said

wish i could be a donor

I agree with you darkTraveler, this is why I stated that it is a *lifestyle* a way of life for many who are into bloodletting and taking.

They are not all roleplaying as some wish to believe, yet, there are true lifestyles out there that some do not evn know exist as is stated in my profile. They are very real in actually living in certain ways.

People do not try to think Outside the box* Shroud* that is why they have problems accepting certain* subcultures* as you called it.

you need to be open minded to all things that are out there secret societies and even the ones who do not care to hide their lifestyle from the world.

I am not saying that 'some' may be role playing , yet these lifestyles are very very real.

The Swans bill of rights
by Belfazaar Ashantison



This bill of rights is used to promote the continued safety of our swans most precious of gifts to us, their life essence.
It is suggested that this contract be signed by both Vampyre and the swan on a thirty, sixty, or ninety-day trial basis.
After this, the contract can be signed again for an extented period of time, which can be either the same as the original term, or six months to one year.
When the contract expires, the two parties can discuss whether or not changes are needed.

1.) As a Swan know that it is through your personal sacrifice that us Vampyre's needs are met. It is your loving nature that allows the relationship to continue.
It is your right to decline us for any reason.

2.) As a swan to a Vampyric being, it is your right to know that you are in a Vampyric / swan relationship that will be mutually beneficial.
Both to you and the vampyre to whom you are feeding your life essence.

3.) You are the essence provider. It is for you to decide whether or not you are able to give of your essence to us Vampyres.
You must be allotted time to heal and regain your essence in order to better support your Vampyric partner.

4.) At no time should your wounds not be allowed to heal.

5.) At no time should you feel out about giving your essence.
If at any time you feel, you have the right to back away from feeding your Vampyre, without being threatened or feeling threatened in any way shape or form.

6.) If you feel threatened you have the right to seek council from the Elders of the Vampyric community.

7.) As a swan to a Vampyric individual, you have the right to know that your position as a lover, friend, family, or roommate should not be jeopardized if you do not want to give of your essence.

8.) As a swan, you should also respect the needs of the vampyre you feed, and try to learn more about his / her feeding habits in order to help stabilize his or her imbalances in energy.

9.) As a swan in a Vampyre / donor relationship, you realize that though you have many necessary rights, you must also take care not to abuse the Vampyre to whom you are feeding your essence.
These same rights afforded you in this bill of rights are also extended to the vampyre you feed.

10.) Ultimately, it is your right to know that you will be safe in all aspects of the Vampyre / swan relationship. Should you ever feel that your safety is jeopardized, you have the right to walk away without harm to you.

P.S. its not about role playing but RESPECTING THOSE THAT GIVE OF THEIR SELVES TO YOU.
so that they know their rights....

Well said. I believe that no mater what/who you are, there needs to be order among the chaos. If its the "unwritten law", rule of thumb, or and actual written set of "guidelines" at your disposal; I think its neccessary to have things for those trying to find their way. If you are new to this community and you dont really know what you are getting yourself into, you can be easily taken advantage of.
And lets face it, whats the fun in preying on the ignorant...
But seriously, I dont think some really understand how deep it goes when you give something such as your "essence" willingly to another person.

yes it is no fun prey on the ones who have no clue as to what the lifestyle is really about. Hopefully people will try to learn before doing things to just fit in or think it is *kool* thing to do yet, totally clueless as to the real way of a lifestyle.

Unfortunate for some, those who would take the roleplay too far.. There is always that fine line between reality and fantasy, specifically when it comes to legal matters and the like.

Donors having "rights" seems contradictory in my perspective. ALL individuals have rights, under their chosen "God" and or government leadership and thus, should not be taken lightly.

But, this does not go for those who would claim to have any seperate governments that are not of the "human" level. A "Bill of Rights" is a legal document made by a government for the people that reside within that specific nation. I do not see any contractual agreements laid out by any "vampire heirarchy" that would proclaim any sort of "Declaration of Independence," let alone a "Bill of Rights."

This in my point of view is utterly absurd and should not be taken seriously by any means, those who do take it seriously tend to lead a very "dark" lifestyle. I do hope they realize what they are playing around with!

1. Remember that the term vamp(y)re is to be considered a roleplay term as well as any terms which welcome the roleplay aspect of the vamp(y)re such as Swan, Sang, Psi, Halo, Strigoii, Synod, Black Veil, etc.

2. Swan's (Donor's) are to be considered consentual hosts for the vamp(y)re's blood "FETISH" since humans do not need blood to survive unless medically provoked.

3. ALL individuals who would deem worthy to call themselves under the entitlement and spelling of vamp(y)re should be treated as roleplayers in all that they do.

4. If you do choose to play the "donor," at least know who you are giving your "blood" to. The taking and giving of the blood even though it is a fetish, should be taken very very seriously. Though it is all roleplay, this is BLOOD we are talking about here people, not VAMPIRES! TRUST is the main issue at hand. Get to know who you are giving this TRUST to BEFORE the deed is done!

I have to question number 6 of the list. If you feel threatened then seek council of a higher elder within the community? What the bloody hell are they going to do about it, cause a drama mongering "war" for the ages? Give me a freaking break here. There are no "higher" elders within the community! If you cannot handle your business, take it up with the local LAW ENFORCEMENT! Common sense here people. Don't let the vamp(y)re community RUN your lives by having you live in fear!

I believe personally that the Donor's Bill of Rights is utter B.S. to begin with, and is right up there with the almighty Black Veil. Something's are taken waaay too far to begin with and always end with enough drama to surround the television show "Days of Our Lives," or "As The World Turns."

"Respect those that give themselves to you" - LordofNoctemAeturnus

You should respect anyone that would fit into the category anywho. Another word that is overly used and has lost its meaning, just like the word honour and common sense.

People, most of us are adult minded enough to know better anywho and do not need rules and or guidelines that have hints of roleplayish mechanations within them to carry us through our lives!

No, I am not slamming an entire community, I am simply making individuals that think outside the communities box aware of the bantery and hazards before they would choose to invite themselves into said community.

Learn about something before venturing forth!

it would seem that you have not learned your lesson yet (name deleted). Trust that I will be going to my brother Maven with your words.

oh and by the by I do know what I am and why I CHOOSE to spell it VAMPYRE not vampire.
you speak from your point of view not all of the V.C. make that clear when you speak out, because you know what happened the last time your mouth went off.

Take what ever words you wish to who ever you so choose. I couldn't care less. As far as learning lessons.. What ever, dude.

Quite harrassing me!

It's quit not Quite!

The both of you need to keep your private conflicts out of the forum. It's not allowed, and ruined Irony's thread. Also, it's not good practice to use people's real names online without their consent.