After watching the television show, Children of the Paranormal the other night...I got to thinking. I know many people that claim to see spirits and other beings. Again, I am normally a rational person...but I do believe in this ability-depending on the person. I can feel these entities..but I cant honestly say I have seen one like a regular person standing in front of me. So here is what I'm wondering...
-Why can only certain people see these spirits?
-What causes those that cant see to be blocked from it..? Is it intentional...some subconscious mental wall? Or is it that they aren't meant to see it?
-Are there legit ways to be able to develop this ability?
I know of people that could see these things and were so terrified with their gift that they stopped it on their own.
-So if they can stop it..is it really that controllable..? I have heard some say it is not.
A. Some are more intuned to seeing spirits.
B. Some may not be as intuned with the paranormal as others. Things are not intentional at all but something that is meant to be. Some are given the gift to help the two worlds (Living and Dead) say goodbye or pass on messages or whatever the case might be.
C. Like all abilities there are ways to help develop this ability and fine tune it.
D. Some can stop it on their own in some way shape or form if they choose. It is their choice and their reason is their own.
E. It is controllable to some degree/level depending on the person. Everyone is different in many ways and it includes those with psychic abilities.
-Why can only certain people see these spirits?
I agree with the "some are more intune", but I like to term it differantly, some have a higher frequency ration when it comes to differant things, for instance... Spirits have a higher frequency pattern since they are on a differant dimensional plane of existance and as such, it takes a bit of a higher frequency on the 3rd dimensional plane of our world (I think I just went in a circle on that one).
-What causes those that cant see to be blocked from it..? Is it intentional...some subconscious mental wall? Or is it that they aren't meant to see it?
They have not reached a level of higher frequency for some unknown reason. Mayhaps their minds are not in tune with the frequencies like they should be, on account of concentrating so much on real world stress.
-Are there legit ways to be able to develop this ability?
Yes. There are certain methods of practice such as meditation, the kundalini of which I do not suggest unless one has first attuned themselves with the proper meditational practices first, others have their own methods.
"I know of people that could see these things and were so terrified with their gift that they stopped it on their own."
-So if they can stop it..is it really that controllable..? "I have heard some say it is not."
It is controllable on the subconscious level if it is that frightening. Though I do not see the fright from spiritual visitations. Once they are seen, the mind starts to accept it to where it becomes as comfortable as seeing a fat person in a bikini, or a cadaver on a slab.
Thank you for your input...I agree with SS on the theory of being too stuck in everyday problems..rather then letting yourself become attuned on a higher level..could be a major cause of such a psychic block...hmm
::pondering::
I know meditation is important as well...It is just so difficult for me to wind down and clear my mind enough to do it properly...is there any way to combat that?
First off, don't use such negative terms as "combat" for one. As this use only gives off regular to lower frequencies and keep you planted onto this plane of existance. Negativity is a sure fire way to keep from being aware on higher levels of consciousness.
Second, the answer is an absolute yes. One may instruct their minds while being very busy with regular life. All one needs to do is concentrate on a less stressful personality within themselves to come out first and formost. This would be the chance to relax the mind and to keep it on the level.
If and or when this is done, or you find that your mind needs to be at a calm, just picture a radient yellow, green or white light surrounding not only yourself, but the people around you. This not only changes your mood, but has a persuasion on theirs as well, even if they do not know it. It is simple energy manipulation of a higher frequency.
Once you are visualizing this glowing radience of your chosen color, then start concentrating on beams of a violet light decending down upon that soft glowing radience from above, with a milky white film within the violet lights tube that you are seeing.
When this is in the works, you may begin to feel a cooling effect surrounding you. Or a tingling sensation. This is a first level or degree of the Sacred Geometrical practices of the Higher Self Awareness involvement.
Side effects include, not being able to focus on the real world for a bit until you get used to the feeling of being "not of this world", numbness where none should be, ie around your temples or chakra points, and either a sleeplessness or sleepiness depending on your way of life. It takes a bit getting used to, but in the end it is well worth the effort.
thank you...I did not realize that even using certain words can limit you like that...it just comes out that way for me most of the time...but those exercises were very helpful..I think I am going to try and visualize this way and also change my negative thought patterns..wont be easy..but its worth some effort ;)
The only thing that I ask, is to keep in mind that these practices are of an initiatory or first level anchor. To get the practitioner focused. There are obviously more levels of higher awareness, as this is just the first step.
So in order to keep things simple, I will start from the beginning. If this audience needs further instruction regarding this level, then I will post accordingly. But I will not succeed into the second level practices in this thread. The first level is hard enough on the senses as it is.
Just remember that this is one practice out of many, but in any case it works best for me as well as most individuals that I know in the real world.
Is there proof that spirits are living on a different plane of existance and if that is the case, how come we believe that some are stuck in ours?
They are actually not stuck in ours, we are seeing them through the eyes of duel dimensional scenerios. In quantum mechanics it is called dimensional bleeding, or something to that extent.
PsiDreamer have you seen the movie Ghost? It is a little like that.
Some spirits get trapped between worlds because of the way they died whether it be a murder, suicide, or a violent death in general. When people die fast their spirit gets trapped between worlds and often feel that they have unfinished business they stay until things have been solved. They seek help from Psychics to help solve what had happened to them.
Things happen that cannot be explained. Some may try to explain it but fail in doing so for whatever reason.
The world is growing in this too, many of the things we never thought possible today have a science base.
Already exist in our environment, many resources to always work from the inside of one is an internal working very hard and time, honesty and dedication.
We all have resources to see beyond.
I have attended many conferences on life beyond ..... and transpersonal communication, and I can say with certainty that I saw and heard things that surprised me a lot
New-age and spiritualists use the word dimension in a different meaning than say scientists and mathematicians. This can be very confusing.
You will hear about over-lapping and different frequencies from the first group. This is all about Light. Think of a rainbow. The lower 3-4 dimensions being that of the reds and oranges. The Higher dimensions being that of the blues and purples. But all is white light and can blend together. Sometimes we can see another color, must of the time we cannot. But all white Light is the spirit world. And yes, some beings are above the white light spectrum.
The latter group name dimensions by the number of perpendicular angles. Two dimensions is; x,y. Three dimensions is; x,y,z, etc. Since nobody can draw or see what four dimensions are, it was called "time." Fifth dimension was called something else and so on. It was pretty much fill in the blanks after that. But as far as I know, they could be right. Who can really say?
I think one of the biggest problems we face is the terminology to explain it all. Here's what I mean:
As a three dimensional person (x,y,z), picture yourself jumping into a comic strip. The comic strip is flat. It's two dimensional (x,y). There is only length and width. Now ... you meet one of the characters in the comic and start to discuss about your world and where you come from.
How do you think you'll do? Remember there is no "up" or "height" in his world nor any concept nor anything what-so-ever to compare it to. You're nothing but a crazy person in his eyes.
So these topics that come up can be hard to understand unless you get first hand experience in them. At one time is was called enlightenment. I know its was a big deal at one time but all it means is that you get a glimpse, then a better understanding, that there is more to the world, and Life than mere surviving day-to-day. Long story short, we're seeing it more now and not using that term anymore. But that's all it is. More people are enlightening - seeing the Light.
There are indeed ways to continue on this path. Many actually. But as for stopping or changing your mind later ... sorry but, this is one door that can not be closed afterward.
So then Billy...does that mean that the person has rather tricked themselves into thinking they have closed that gate for themselves? That in reality it is still open they are just ignoring it?
If we have such a hard time trying to "catch" ghosts as scientific proof, then how come there are soo many here claiming that they know the answers as to how so called "ghosts" are? For example for those whom has replied to my other question....
How are you certain that ghosts are on another plane of existance? What and how is it that you feel this to be true? Is it because it is a social acceptance of the "right answer"? What makes you believe that ghosts are "trapped" or even ON a different dimension for that matter?
"How are you certain that ghosts are on another plane of existance? What and how is it that you feel this to be true? Is it because it is a social acceptance of the "right answer"? What makes you believe that ghosts are "trapped" or even ON a different dimension for that matter?"
If ghosts were not on another plane of existance, then they would not appear then disappear on a whim. Ghosts are not corporeal and thus they reside on another plane. Simply put.
It is not a social acceptance that any of us feel that this is true, it is scientific fact. Otherwise, they would be physical though the socially accepted term announces that the "ghost" is the embodiment of a recently deciesed individual... I believe them to be memories, residual energies, and or beings from other dimensions. There is proof neither for nor against this theory. But they are "ghostly" nonetheless, thus they are fact and not theory.
I'm not so sure about that SS. Souls could simply be here on this plane and the reason we can sense or see them at times is because they are using or borrowing energy on THIS plane. So again i do not see the proof of that answer.
People trick themselves into many things. An easy way for them to deal with it later, I guess. Ignorance is bliss. It doesn't work in the long run and people learn this eventually. It's all spiritual growth. You can't stop it as you can't stop your body from changing. You can think, believe and say anything you like but the mirror doesn't lie. When it's time to move on - you will.
But people need a foundation to build on. You can't learn a new concept if you don't have something to compare or contrast it with. This is how we process information.
Many will repeat what they heard or read or believe but understand none of the concept, just repeat the subject matter. And even when people do understand the concept, it's only so far as they understand that particular level of concept. An infinite number of subjects, concepts, topics, etc. and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that nobody really knows anything! Not really.
This is why the Ancients never gave an answer to "The Question." One , there isn't any and two, even if there was, it couldn't be expressed into words.
Doesn't matter if the topic was of Ghosts, spirit world or anything else.
I don't know if ghosts are on this plane or another, but it doesn't matter now does it? They're there, even if not seen by all, and that's all that matters in my opinion. But just because you can't see it all the time doesn't mean it's on another plane of existance. Many things on this plane are only visible for short periods of time.
Alright, how about another variable?
Let us say that there is a veil that surrounds the world, a veil of spiritual frequency that when the individual is at the beginning of that frequency chain, then the veil is over their eyes shrouding them from a truth. When the veil becomes moderately lifted as time and the senses allows, then they would start to see things that actually do exist on this plane but are not corporeal to the naked or veiled eye.
When the veil is gradually lifted, then these things become more and more noticable. When the veil has finally been fully lifted as the individual becomes more aquanted with the higher frequencies, then the truth comes out and that or those individuals believe that there truly is something beyond our world if those beings or energies start to be seen on a regular basis.
Well it is always good to question everything and when one starts to do so, may learn there is always more than one answer which is why i like to put out the questions that come to me and whatever answers that fill my mind as a possibility. Not saying anyone is wrong but not saying anyone is right either. Most just accept what seems to make the most 'sense' , however, what do we really "know"? :)
The "what the bleep do we know" statement comes to mind, but the "that person is mentally disturbed" comes to mind when the individual starts talking like the veil has already been lifted and they say they see dragons, unicorns, dwarfs, faeries, beams of light over certain cities, coloured domes over certain parts of the world, and entities passing through mirrors around the house as though another world beyond ours actually exists.
But, is the latter so hard to grasp?
That is hard for me to answer for i have never met someone to make such claims but who am i exactly to discredit what they "see" when i do not have the capability of doing such myself. Would that mean i am being too open-minded or gullible or just open to the idea that there are people in the world that are very capable of proving themselves and what they can do, while another sits in amazement wondering how it is possible. Is it hard to view it that way?
If the individual were to argue or debate what that "mentally disturbed" profiled person claimed to see, it would be "close minded" not open minded.
Since the only proof would be that those entities would trust that person so much because the veil had been lifted that they could only see it along with a select group of individuals of the same frequency that had been attained. If those claimed entities were to give others proof of their existance, ie becoming corporeal, then the world would begin to argue regarding belief structures now wouldn't they...
To mu understanding, we were all born with the ability to see. But as kids we were taught it was just our
imagination. As we got older we started getting interested in other things.
Ahh fascinating mystic...so then we still carry that ability..and that door is still open..its just a matter of no longer letting oneself be in denial of such gifts?
Its not nessessarily denial, more so just to remember how to use the attribute properly and or for the first time.
For some even as we get older that door is very much still opened. At least for some of us.....
I agree with much that is being said here, and I would like to state that simply attaining the proper mindset, while important, is not the only requirement here, it does take a certain amount of mental training after this state is achieved.
for example, view the mind's ability as you would any other physical ability, after the perceived correct form is achieved, additional practice is required to, say, perfect a particular acrobatic feat, or fine tune a certain form of martial art. Everything requires practice
Some people are so inuted with their spirtual ability they see stuff like that. Some people don't just have that ability or maybe they do but they can't let it be free.
my wife and I run a spiritual development circle at our home once a week, we are both clairsentient (sense spirit) Clairaudient (hear spirit) and clairvoyant (see spirit) but eahc to varying degree's.
It is possible for anyone to develop their spiritual awareness and SS has really hit home the importance of starting the process at the right level of attunement. You really cannot run with this until you have learnt to walk but that said, everyone develops differently, some more quickly than others.
The biggest danger I have found is with those who develop well and then become complacent with that and do not continue developing; they let their egos take over and cease to learn, if you do this it can have the opposite effect.
Meditation is the key without this you can only develop so far and it is harder for some than others too, some find visualisation hard, I have that problem but in time and with practice you shall crack it, nothing in life is free and to tread a path of spirituality is a very worthwhile experience but its also hard work
i think they being the beings chose who they want to be seen by not that we chose to see them
You have a valid point there RIFF, its a two way communication, if they do not want to be seen they wont be seen and if you do not wish to see spirit then they will not show themselves to you
i saw a ghost once when i was six or seven. in my bed room. it was as clear as the night itself. it freaked the shit out of me, and i moved out of that room as soon as possible.
I believe that once we grow up are mind starts to only see realityyand is closed to the paranormal world.But we can go back to the innocence that a childs mind has to see more of this realm .It is mind over matter in what can be seen,heard or felt.The average person only uses a portion of the brain so we must open our mind to further advance in are natural abilities
People should know that this is not an ability but your Nature. It's the reason why some teachers will tell you that you don't need to learn but to un-learn or re-learn. In the past people who wish to follow this advice went to caves or away from society. Great for those who wish to escape for the social restraints but not too healthy for a human being that is meant to be social! Which gives us a little problem don't it?
How do you live in a world but not of it? To be unattached but knowing that you are connected to everything and everyone.
This is all of the stuff that gets in your way of having and using this so called abilities. You'll noticed that some will come and go, only to resurface again later. You'll get little glimpses of the future or of a place not known to you. A few dreams will seem very real while others "dreamy." Words will come to you before your friend will say them. Hours will past that seem just minutes.
Yep, all real but so natural that you will not have control of them. Not mental conscious control anyway. But being aware that you are having them, that they are natural, and that you don't need your brain to control will be all the difference to you. Your own natural rhythm will be your teacher.
Your right billy, to call it an ability is egotistical really, like it is a superhuman power that only an elite few are giving to reign supreme above mankind. Of course its nature because the power is within us all. We are all apiritual beings and we are all able to "tap" into that natural side of us that society and growth bashes out of us.
Everyone is capable, only you are stopping you from succeeding...
thank you for that Billy..I never really pictured it that way....it does seem difficult to be connected to oneself and deal with social issues...Sometimes I want to escape to a cave out in the middle of nowhere and find myself..lol..but honestly..I enjoyed your perspective.
I don't claim any amount of spiritual ability. Though that's not to say I don't believe in the abilities of others. But according to the experiences of my friends, they think that I neutralize any form of spiritual activity around me... They both have somewhat haunted houses and there is constant activity but whenever I visit, it just stops... It's not that way with anyone else, they have said, just me. I don't know if that qualifies or not as a spiritual ability, but I thought I'd share...
I dont think it has anything to do with ability. It has been known that ppl have seen ghost that are skeptics so would they really have the ability, I wouldnt think so. It just your in the right place at the right time, like anything else
Some re more in tune and opened to it, were as others simply block the potential and choose to rather not know.
But as far as learning the capabilty of spiritual connections it only goes as far as one is willing to be opened minded toward.
True, I think we all tend to block out wat we fear or are unsure of. We as a race are starting to open our minds and see what is really out there. We still have a long way to go our mind is a powerful thing and we are not using it to its full potential.
Well I can say from experience that there are people can definitely see spirits. As solid as you and me or just as shadows, ect. I have seen them in all ways...I refuse to see them as orbs, because I believe that if they are strong enough to move things, ect then show yourself.
You do have controle over your abilities depending how much enegy you have gained.
You can try to give some(not most or all for this will drain you) of your energy to the spirit to draw from so they can present themselves more to you. If you get any negitive vibes from them do not act in anyway, just think of something that makes you happy and positive, pray, ect. If you have something else on your mind they can't move past your barrior.
If you wish to use physical objects to remove the entity, I have used a dream cature. You need to however tweek it so the spirits can not use to their advantage and come forth stronger.
Pretty much by using the powers of your mind..thought. This helps you to bend things to your will. Usually if you think things they will happen. You will see things either if your are ment to or wish to. By focusing hard enough you can make most to anything happen.
*to be used with caution and NOT taken lightly.*
**be careful what you wish for, it WILL come true**
Spiritualism tends to be professed primarily by those actively deluding others and/or themselves. Thus, it is not a real ability at all, but instead a pretentious affectation in the hope of impressing others.
I'm so glad Upir, that that is just YOUR opinion and not a credible fact!
I've worked with Mediums and other Spritualists who are genuine and humble people who do not preach to masses, never take money for there services and are conveying messages to people they have never met who confirm the accuracy of those messages. Of course there will always be frauds, I'm fully aware of that but your comment just digusts me and i'm so glad that the world does not revolve around bigots like you
I am a legitamet Medium. I have had countless encounters with spirits, not just from my house. I have introduced my friends to their relatives (I refuse to do my mother for my father because of personal reason).
My spiritual abilities were passed down to me from both of my parents and are completely balanced, just as everything else about me.
I have encountered demons, angels, humans, Vampires, ect.
I have removed the negative/evil entities and sent the others away or to stay to move on as they wish.
I have never asked or taken money for any of my servises regarding the spirits.
As for those tests...I have thought about it just to prove to people but never fully made up my mind on it.
(If anything is spelled incorrectly I am sorry...I am not an A+ student who's great at spelling)
ANDRAMIDA3
Would you take Upir up on his offer?
Waving money in front of someones face really is silly way to go about it. Mediums, true mediums do not take money for there services and again they have no need to declare to the entire world or even you Upir that they have abilities.
My take on this is if you do not beleive in spiritual abilities then thats fine, don't. I'm not asking you too and nor am I suggesting that you should, what I am saying is stop making bigotting remarks that advocate that the whole mediumistic world is a fraud just because you dont agree with what they say they can do.
Why should I or my friends prove to you or even this forum? My post was merely pointing out the digust I had over you bigoted remark not a preaching surmon to the masses of my beliefs
If anyone here is preaching Upir, its you
LBN,
You continue to make my point for me: talk is cheap. And I see you're back to the name calling again.
Tell me, why is it that because I disbelieve your claims and ask for evidence of same, you find such understandable skepticism "disgusting" and immediately start in with the ad hominem attacks? Why so defensive ... if your claims are real?
(By the by... as such insulting attacks violate VR forum rules of conduct, be thankful you have gotten away with it thus far.)
- Upir'
Let's just agree to disagree. Please.
We can agree that we all have different beliefs on this subject. We do not need to have a bicker or such about it to get our points across.
A couple of things to say...
I know legitimate mediums, they know about the million dollar deal but they prefer not to become sensationalized. Once someone becomes sensationalized then they just turn into any other "celebrity" who, once they get called out then their reputations are always on the line. Too much stress in that area and quite frankly I do not see any true mediums taking up that million offer for that very reason.
"what I am saying is stop making bigotting remarks that advocate that the whole mediumistic world is a fraud just because you dont agree with what they say they can do."
As far as this post goes, what one sees as "bigot" remarks, another sees as someone with a very negative attitude towards those of intellectual thought. The term "bigot" denotes that the name caller themselves could be a bit too into the politics and should not take things quite so seriously.
After all, this is a forum which is based on opinion, speculation, theory, etc. So everyone can have their thoughts read just as everyone who disagrees with those thoughts can turn the perverbial page at anytime.
In other words... Chillax, its not the end of the world.. YET!
~Upir~ is just trying to make a point regarding those who profess to be, and those who truly are. The ones who truly are do not profess such on forums such as this since there is really nothing to gain from doing it as well as true mediums could care less for sensationalism.
*Chuckles* Post your draconic findings on Youtube, that is if you really wish to shed proofable (new word) light on this topic.
Thank you SS i'm not as gifted as you in creating a reply that really hits home in an intellectual way as I speak straight from the heart and you take your thoughts and then phrase them in a constructive way.....
You section on sensationalism hits the nail on the head and i'm gutted I never phrased it that way myself.
Just because I choose not to be called out Upir and dance to your tune doesn't mean i'm wrong
I agree to disagree with you on this subject and I didnt see my comment as name calling just stating a fact about how I saw your comment and how I read your comment interpreted how I labled it.
Lets get back on topic as i'm again in danger of dragging it off topic with a petty squabble and for that I shalll apologise to the thread and its readers
I heard that before a child is born, he/she is on the border between life and death. When the child is born, the child is blessed with the ability to see the spirits of the dead and possibly communicate with them. The ability stays with the child for the rest of his/her life or at least until society discourage the child from communicating with the dead since that is out of the norm.