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In dark arts such as divine yoga, witchcraft etc, there said that there is conscious, sub conscious and superconscious.

Please throw your light on these terms that what they are and what is the impact on the kin and how they helpful in dark arts...

I think the author of this thread may have the concepts of the mind confused when it comes to esoteric practices and the stereotypes thereof.

"In dark arts such as divine yoga"

Since when was yoga considered a "dark art"?

If this thread is relating to the "left hand path" then I will not bother posting in it other then this post, since I have my own opinions relating to that "path."

The areas of the mind, ie conscious, sub and super-sub, do not relate to the dark arts at all, as they are only associated with the psychie. The esoterics in my perspective are not closely related with those areas of the mind.

Since yoga is not a dark art, then we could discuss the impact of yoga on all 3 immediate areas of the mind, since yoga helps to focus the mind and its focal points.

But no, I see no relation with the psychie when it comes to the "left hand path" and the "kin" related to it.

When is a breathing and stretching exercise a "dark art"?

You have to remember the correct definition of "conscious",before you ask others opinion on the subject.


con·scious
Pronunciation: ˈkän(t)-shəs
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin conscius, from com- + scire to know
Date: 1592

1 : perceiving, apprehending, or noticing with a degree of controlled thought or observation
2 archaic : sharing another's knowledge or awareness of an inward state or outward fact
3 : personally felt
4 : capable of or marked by thought, will, design, or perception
5 : self-conscious
6 : having mental faculties undulled by sleep, faintness, or stupor : awake
7 : done or acting with critical awareness
8 a : likely to notice, consider, or appraise b : being concerned or interested c : marked by strong feelings or notions


conscious


By definition alone it is about how the human mind works and thinks.Not everyone thinks the same way or sees the world in the same light.Profilers in the F.B.I. have said many serial killers have no conscious when it comes to killing.Does this mean they don't think when they kill or just they don't feel when they kill.Being self-conscious to most mean they don't feel they can be something others expect them to be.They feel ugly or fat or lower than their peers.

I don't think divine yoga is anything dark. It's not even light, I guess in a way. It's like an exercise. Even normal running, or brisk walking would be exercise. The senses, and emotions are stimulated.
The conscious is, as Soulshroude has said, part of the psyche. It's got no elements of light or dark attached to it, I think. It merely is. It exists. It's what one does with it that makes a difference.

"dark arts such as divine yoga" hahaha that was funny.

(Bows in utmost reverence to of the most revered Majesties)
Deare M'Lords and Majestic Ladies,

I did not wish to scatter your opnion from what in your mind.

There is phrase that the most precious knowledge and arts are kept away from common peepal thats the keeping in dark.

Yoga have two field, one is physical yogic excercises,
and other is divine yoga.

The outcome of divine yoga practices is dark skills such as true hypnotizm, distant hipnotizm and these exercises not only consist of breathe (meditation) but also include breathe holding and center focal point exercises. whenever the center focal point exercises inserted it become dark.

the part of divine yoga is shavasana too is dark art of relaxing and shavasana means becoming inactive like dead body.

it include energy hovering and center focal point exercise

then comes great padmasana that comprise of gazing either gazing on spiral circle with center of dott or gazing at candle flame tip or gazing at tree top which appear in 10 degree to 20 dee angle of the eyes line.

no doubt divine yoga is sacred most coz what i mentioned all exercises are total divine pranayam and most effective in all known yogic exercises and are followed by dhouti neti or vahinisara.

Both posts in reply are nice posts and I wish to know more about subconscious and super subconscious.

coz subconscious takes us on astral ride and stay there spatially or on that plane.

My opinion about conscious is awaken when all gross active mind awaken person.

in half sleep (dream state) the subtle mind grown awaken conscious is subconscious

and superconscious lead us causal effect coz superconscious is active mind gross conscious and subconscious both are awaken.

how conscious impact on us....

all these are my pinion only and please correct me if I am wrong. M'Lord Soulshroud already corrected min that divine yoga is sacred art of light side.

gross conscious impact on us by taking active decision of frequent matters. subconscious put the total vision fore us. this help in taking judgement or astral ride...

And superconscious helps us in changing the thing and give causal effect to our judgement, judgement which done by gross conscious with the help of subconscious.

Though general meaning of conscious is awareness and include active mind and all gross senses, there are levels of conscious and classifications too.

I wish to grow upon the term asked in topic platform, please guide me ignoring the divine yoga which I accept as lightside art of divine nature, its psychic exercises and include psycho-spiritual thats why it is called divine.

This is the interesting link stating the levels of consciousness

http://www.swamij.com/levelsdimensions.htm#fourlevels

Define why hypnosis is seen as a "dark" practice, would you?

That site in perspective seem to be based off of opinion with self research and therefore any credible facts are few and far between.

I think what he means by "dark" is those things that are kept somewhat hidden from the average eye. I don't think most people know about "divine yoga".
I have heard the word "dark" being used in this way before , its not always about harmful or satanist practices.

Kundalini Yoga is part of certain aspects of ritualistic magic... So yes it could be afforded under the title of "The Dark Arts"... ALL yoga texts state that the practice of Yoga helps with the development of psychic and occult abilities. Yoga is an occult system and I would suggest that if you intend on arguing this point you actually bring some evidence to the table.

This is a forum, not a place for people to berate and make fun of other members. Some of you would obviously like to think your intellect superior to the majority of other Vampire Rave members, using large words out of context and deliberately making fun of and/or "laughing" at thread posters really shows you for what you are. Bullies with little or no intellect...

"I think what he means by "dark" is those things that are kept somewhat hidden from the average eye."

I really wish interpretation would start using the right words.. Such as "arcane" instead of "dark", since the word arcane has better connotations to hidden meanings and unknown ideas to the average individual, previously hidden things.

Dark simply stands for negative connotations such as "evil" or "black" things. Things of a evil nature. Devine Yoga is far from evil, therefore it would be more "arcane" then "dark" is all that I am pointing out.

Regardless of or not you believe that yoga is dark, that is not what is up for discussion here. What is or is not within the realm of your personal definition of "dark" should remain elsewhere. Don't make me break out the Mom-voice. Squabbling only leads to RIPed threads so don't waste the potential of this one and try to stay constructively on topic before an ADMIN steps in.

"Regardless of or not you believe that yoga is dark, that is not what is up for discussion here. What is or is not within the realm of your personal definition of "dark" should remain elsewhere. Don't make me break out the Mom-voice. Squabbling only leads to RIPed threads so don't waste the potential of this one and try to stay constructively on topic before an ADMIN steps in."

Excuse me? Baking powder (I beg your pardon)... a mom-voice? What do you think we are, third graders? Some mayhaps... Keep the condescending and patronizing posts at bay, otherwise the Dominars will have to step in.

The conscious mind sees things as "dark" because the mind is trained to think that way by others using uncommon sense and taking things completely out of perspective and therefore retraining the mind to think of the wrong definitions... Which is basically what is going on here.

The term "arcane" is better suited for the use of devine yoga since it is not actually understood by most, this does not mean that the practice is of a "dark" nature at all. Therefore the mind and conscious are trained the proper way with proper defining terms rather then terms that will throw the pupil off.

Now, to get back to our regularly scheduled program.

Yes, the Dominars are watching. EVERYONE has the right to post their opinion on the thread at hand. Opinions do differ from blatant attacks on other members thoughts and ideas though. Please stop implying that the Dominars are going to step in, you are not a Dominar. This is an interesting thread and should remain on topic.

(Bows in utmost reverence)

I am sorry for not placing suitable words to all. Yes the art of yoga is not mere stretching or physical exercises. The other stream goes beyond that and lead person to psycho or psycho spiritual exerises of very deep state which makes yogis able to stand with any person of any occult or any arcane.

And these arts are not taught here in common yoga classes or commune.

Yogis were even found cure self by self hypnosis and others by distant hypnotizm.

For whome wish to replace the dark with arcane, its nice substitute, or may replace with occult practicesplease treat it according to your suitability.



Well in my opinion we can seperately feel the conscious and subconscious by testing it.

1) Case example of gross conscious active mind state:

what ever yu are reading and smelling around or feelng now is gross conscious.

2) Subconscious sub active and sub sleep mode:

try to smell the smell of tea even if this moment you are not drinking or making it. andalong with this you just try to visualise the tea in the cup you are drinking it.

both two senses will lead grown your subconscious and this will lead your eyes to sub active and sub sleep state.

In my opinion:

We all know the vampirism is the art of sucking energies. But how you can suck the energy in psychic vampirism?

Its done with the help of conscious only. and what type of conscious is applied here? This is the case of study.

We can not suck even aura of the mother nature, if we do not have ride of level of subconscious at the time of gross conscious.

how we can change the levels of conscious? its by controlling our senses?

How we can control the senses?

By case studies and testing the grow of senses and expanding the senses and grow upon that and there will a point will come that your senses will rise and lead you 1) astral 2 ) intake of energy 3) aura seek 4) energy manipulation or channeling 5) controlling others conscious.

"We can not suck even aura of the mother nature, if we do not have ride of level of subconscious at the time of gross conscious."

I feel there is something wrong with this statement? Aren't we all beings of this planet, and this dimension? Unless some of us are seriously deluded as to think we're some incarnate of some other being from another dimension.. Anyway, what I wanted to say, in my humble opinion is that, since we are all beings of this plane of existence, why don't we have that level of conscious to utilise what Mother Nature offers? Maybe that channel has been blocked, or we have just lost the inborn feature that everyone was born with? But I don't think that we are without that level of subconscious. It may happen suddenly... Does divine yoga in this sense trigger that level of consciousness?

Yes not only yoga, but many occult practices offer this intke of aura and the aura intake is not the frame of parasite or energy sucking.

Good Aura too can be greatly intook with the rise of subconscious opened to take aura. you not only can intake breathe, but can intake aura too from mother nature. When you intake aura from mother nature, you need not to intake other energy from other kins such as blood or psychic energies. coz as substitute aura of mother nature works well and this aura is greatly the food of all immovable livings too such as trees.

Please don't mess this with the proof or case study earlier to this statement coz this statement is my opinion only felt consciously.

No one lack subconscious but the time of opening and growing upon that opening is lacking by kins thats why the kins do notgrow upon subconscious growth.

"When you intake aura from mother nature, you need not to intake other energy from other kins such as blood or psychic energies. coz as substitute aura of mother nature works well and this aura is greatly the food of all immovable livings too such as trees."

Yes, I agree with what you've said.. Thank you so much!

The terms are indeed misleading and not what they should be. However, we can deal with it for now.

When dealing with the term Yoga, it does have a very different meaning than most - if not all - of us are familiar with. Even scholars do not agree what this word fully means. It was used differently and more generally than it is today. But at the same time, it had a stronger meaning in the past. Read the "Gita" and other texts to understand what I'm referring to.

Dark and Light also have a separate meaning than today. With the practice of yoga one does gain so called powers. These yoga powers are an hindrance to most but a goal to some. Hence they were called dark. There were also other practices such as Tantra that taught some weird practices too. Including a left-hand path of Tantra.

Hindus knew the different conscious levels better than anyone I think but they do have their own terms for them. If you wish to use them for now then think if a sub-conscious as a mantra that become a sort-of muscle memory, the conscious as the mantra itself and the super conscious as the god-head.

You will not find a teacher to teach you this but, you can feed off the Earth's aura as mentioned. Your term, not mine. There has been people that have stopped eating or drinking to feed this way. Read The Autobiography of a Yogi for more details.

(Bows in utmost reverence)

I am agree with Honorable Billy The Just,


The nice light thrown on the subject yoga and conscious

Yes the Holy Gita is the most sacred for Hindu and in Hinduism. there yoga basics are cyphered and this only art prevailing after the Rama - Atlantis colloison even much part of this art too is erased by ancient universities in which the human would go beyond gravity limits with more power than one have celestial power.


most powerful trataka comes from which irreversible by others than more powerful yogi or yogi the self. Keeping this destruction, the divine yoga is hidden from common peepal.

Well human body is comprise of 5 sanctum you can say 5 cover or five capsule in which your vital living force stay.

one is sthool kosha (physical structure/ capsule) this is gained by feeding the Earth + water (food) -Gross

second is pranamaya kosha (air) this capsule is made of air which are of many type and majorly categorised as PAN (positive air), APAN (air to discharge) Little sub

Third is Shaktimaya Kosha (Energies) This we already grew upon energies and most important among energies is Aura and if kundalini power rise the energy level and balance is such a way that it trigger all other kosha and elements to favour the vital living force and ultimately that kin. More sub

Fourth Manomaya Kosha (Mind/ brain) most sub

Fifth is the Vigyanaaya kosha (intellact that leading mind by conscious thus fifth and most important is conscious)

Coz conscious is the immediate vehicle (capsule) of spirit, which can go with spirit in astral conscious is always containing spirit which travelling beyond all range even quantum.

Self Conscious can be controlled controlling all the senses of the self body may practising one by one or at the time. this is called yum and niyam. but not clearly phased in yoga classes coz only thinker can find thisyum niyum suitable to him. This is the key to grow upon divine yoga.

Well i did not mean to drop the food in search of aura intake.

Very Interesting reading material.
Thanks for all the information here from everyone!