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Accuracy depends on the viewer, I'll leave it at that...

While accuracy can be subjective if not properly investigated, yet accuracy is never someting ultimately decided by public opinion or that of any one "viewer."

Accuracy is a function of logical investigation and the conclusions resulting therefrom to a particular standard or claimed truth, in this case historical.

In the case of this particular topic, I have read the article and do not find that just because it has been archaeologically evidenced that Jerusalem existed ca. 1000 BCE and also possessed a wall and perhaps other features referenced in the Old Testament, thus giving evidence of biblical accuracy at least as regards such features, that this somehow also evidences all other biblical claims as likewise accurate or factual.

It has been known for quite some time that the vast majority of the Old Testament was written during the exilic and post-exilic periods (ca. 600-450 BCE). Thus, such writers had the benefit of being able to write of events and persons claimed to have occurred/existed hundreds of years earlier, of which events and persons they could have written factually or otherwise... including all the supposed "prophecies" and "miracles" claimed based upon their historical knowledge of events and persons either commonly known... or from legends or tall tales likewise commonly known and esteemed, whether accurate or not.

Thus, the fact that a wall was found that can be dated to 1000 BCE provides no "accurate" or otherwise factual evidence that King David or his son, Solomon, actually existed, as well. Nor does any such provide evidence against their possible existence, either.

This is not opinion or something based upon the "viewer," but based upon logical evaluation of the evidence as thus far discovered.


- Upir'

Well like anything that has been written by several people there is bound to be *contraditions* Imean we all read soemthing yet we all interpet it how we want it to be, not saying that we are wrong or right , yet, interpete it to our own behave.


As for accuracy many feel that is still to be determined as well.
I believe soem parts and soem parts I am still thinking about and readign and learning so that I have a better understanding of it.

Just my 2 cents

Now for my take, which may be going into my book although I have yet to decide this for sure.

King Solomon's temple, made by the architect Hiram Abiff of the Freemasonic legend. Where a gateway was built for the purpose of dimensional travels (book speculation here). This gate was guarded by seven angels and seven demons. Iron Maiden wrote about it in their lyrics on the CD entitled: Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

There is a parchment that has certain incantations on it for summoning these specific seven angels and demons by their names, though I will not write in this post who they actually are. I can state that if King Solomon's Temple is rebuilt, then it could be seen as a direct path or dimensional gateway between this world and the next (book speculation here).

In the real world, the "Mecca" discussion regarding the rebuilding of King Solomon's Temple... I would say that this would be a good thing. I will not post why since it may insult certain religions. Though I will post that idol worship is apparently considered a sin according to the bible... We seem to be stuck between a "rock" and a hard place (read between the lines).

Conspiracy theorists conclude that if Mecca were destroyed and the Temple were built in its place, that this would presumably call forth the "end of the world" and of course the "second coming" and "anti-christ" scenerio... paranoi much? Believe it or not, construction has already began around the grounds of the Mecca building itself. My guess would be that they are getting ready for something.

Not to sure about the biblical accuracies since parts of the bible were clearly misinterpreted. This is far as I am going in biblical discussion here, as I may insult certain religions if I continue.

I can post that with my Freemasonic history studies regarding that time period, that the Nazerene was in mathematical distance away from King Solomon's Temple at a certain day, at a certain time.

I will post more later, in my own time.

While Freemasonry allegorically re-enacts supposed events from ancient Egyptian and Israelite times, yet unless I'm mistaken, Freemasonry was founded during the 15th or 16th Century CE, at least 2,000 years after the time of the events they allegorically re-enact. Likewise, therefore, the character "Hiram Abiff" is entirely allegorical as well ... meaning that he never actually existed.

Or do you have any real evidence of Hiram Abiff's actual existence?

As for mathematical evidences... almost anything can be "proved" using sacred geometry, astrological charts or other forms of mathematics if one tries hard enough. It was through just such "mathematics" that even Ronald Wilson Reagan was portrayed and thought by some to be the "Anti-Christ" because his three names all have six letters, hence.. 666.

I do hope your book does not found its storyline or theories on such dubious sources.


- Upir'

The book speculated such claims and provides opinionated idealogy to the matter through extensive research by the author. To answer your last question, ~Upir~.

As far as the Hiram Abiff legend being proven as true, in the book entitled: The Hiram Key, by Robert Lomas.. Mr. Lomas carefully researches the legend and adds valid evidence as well as picture proof of the supposed key figures of the Freemasonic legend: Jubela, Jubelo, and of course Jubelum. These pictures are found in the middle of the book.

The book is quite an interesting read if one wants to get into the factual between myths, legends and politics surrounding religion and Freemasonry. It also points out the significance between the aforementioned piece in my previous post regarding the Nazerene and the Temple of Solomon. It explains it in better detail.

Unfortunately though, there seem to have been two individuals by the name of Hiram Abiff, the king and the architect. One is found in the bible, but is never revealed as to which one was which. Which in turn is why the legend still remains speculated unless properly researched.

I find it hard to do anything but question anything biblical. One's proof could cause reason for another to be skeptical, like myself.

SS ... Yes, I have read "The Hiram Key."

As you may well know, the book has come under considerable criticism not only from historians but also from Freemasonry, itself, both of whom have widely lambasted the book as "pseudo history," at best.

The Quatuor Coronati Lodge, No 2067, the Premier Lodge of Masonic research under United Grand Lodge of England, has criticized the book as Pseudohistory. Additionally, the following other Masonic sources have likewise criticized the book's claims to factual basis:

Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon
Masonic Info;
Masonic Quarterly, an official publication of the United Grand Lodge of England; and
Freemasonry Today, an official publication of the United Grand Lodge of England

(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hiram_Key)


While fiction is most certainly fiction and, as the old saying goes, truth ought to never get in the way of a good story... yet obviously the more factual or historically reasonable the foundation, the better and more influential the fictional story, too.

It is this, after all, that made "The Da Vinci Code" so popular despite its historical errors and fictional foundation. And perhaps the same can likewise be said to simliar degree of the Bible, too. ;)


- Upir'

Yeah, I heard about the scrutiny from the UGLE, and UGBC. Lomas cannot win for loosing, but he does add very good speculation regarding the old Egyptian mythos, the elite orders from the Nazerenes "political" side of "fisher" kings, and other moderate tidbits. Though he does give a very good analysis into the Hiram legend from historical accounts. I am not sure if those pics in the book are accurate or simple speculation, but he does present a good arguement.

As well, regarding the historical accuracies of when the Temple of Solomon was in working order, he does point out a timeline of sorts if you remember correctly. But, again... biblical accuracies and actual history always vary because not only does Freemason offer allegory, but the bible does as well. Most of the bible in my perspective is of a dogmatic parable context.

Unless there are other accountable and suitable authors to bring to the table other then Lomas and his colleagues, then this is what we have thus far.