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Colin A. Ross, MD, has published experimental data that supports his scientific hypothesis that the eyes emit energy "The Electrophysiological Basis of Evil Eye Belief," is published in the current issue of Anthropology of Consciousness, a journal of the American Anthropological Association. Dr. Ross can prove that his eyebeam can make a tone and went to the JREF to get him a million dollor money for proving the supernatural ability to feel someone watching you.

I thought about my fav haunt years ago and all the bashing and counter agenda on this forum under the guise of vampire lovers however quite the opposite was going on from many people whos agenda and actions show a lack of understanding respect and more.

I just thought of the many times the debates on this forum got to a point where the JREF card was played as a cant argue past this as a reply to something they couldn’t debate.

My replies to this was “science hasn’t caught up yet to prove what we do; or want to prove as real unless they can make money from it” and JREF is not about helping find truth it’s about proving wrong only and that shows an agenda negative to our supernatural lives.
The James Randi Educational Foundation or JREF is not about science, Iv always been sure and now more sure that its about attacking ideas that they find abhorrent, not searching for the truth. And are acting underhanded again and wont even respond to his offering of proof of supernatural activity. That in it’s self shows there agenda and actions.

So next time someone decided to insult your understandings and shut you down with the JREF card you can confidently tell them there would be no point in an organization with an agenda to silence truth, that wont answer clear proof and is against supernatural people rather than want truth; bit like those who use this debate to shut you up and doubt your ways.

What do you feel about this ?

In 2008, Dr. Ross applied for the James Randi Educational Foundation's One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge with the claim that energy from his eyes could cause a speaker, receiving no other input, to sound a tone.[3] In 2010, Dr. Ross published experimental data that supports his scientific hypothesis that the eyes emit energy that can be captured and measured in the Anthropology of Consciousness, a journal of the American Anthropological Association.[4] During correspondence with Dr. Steven Novella of The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, he conceded that the equipment he was using was, in fact, a biofeedback machine attached to his laptop, and that the laptop was responding in a well-understood way to an eye blink. However, he claimed that he could still send energy beams out of his eyes, and was working on modifying the software to ignore an eyeblink.[5] His claim has not currently been tested by the JREF. In 2008, he was granted the tongue-in-cheek Pigasus Award.

When will people learn to actually use their heads? Any quack comes along with a ludicrous theory and, rather than questioning anything, people simply swallow the BS hook, line and sinker... and then use the ridiculous claim as the "proof" they feels justifies their condemnation of actual science.

First off, JREF has not rejected his application and they are still apparently trying to find a way to conduct the test. Thus, your harangue against JREF is not only premature, it is simply irresponsible and unwarranted.

Secondly, have you actually seen the ridiculous video of him "demonstrating" his supposed "eyebeams"?! If not, you're in for a real treat here.

And, as expressed by everyone at the above website who watched this laughable video, all of whom apparently actually possess a brain (and know how to use it!)... they all decry it as a sham experiment using... of all materials... aluminum foil (the ultimate "kook-burger" inventory item, as one commentator wisely pointed out). As another comments, as well: "If the energy is shooting out of his eyeballs, why exactly does he need to attach electrodes to his ears?" Great question! And another erudite observation: "He's clearly a deluded person. In any case, his "eyebeam" BS has been debunked on the latest episode of the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast. What he's doing is hooking up a biofeedback machine to his head, which monitors electrical activity around the face. When he blinks, it causes a dipole blink artifact in the EEG, which the computer senses and goes "bloop!". Wow, impressive."

Just... watch the video. Watch how he won't answer a single question about his methodology or the mechanism used to test his "eyebeams." Here is a classic example, as I related in the "knowledge retained..." forum thread here, of knowledge deliberately withheld so as not to reveal the sham being perpetrated. Were "Dr. Ross" sincere, he would certainly reveal the parameters of his experiment so that... as do TRUE scientists... permit others to examine and test his theory and his methods to determine whether it is "eyebeam" energy or if something far more mundane (e.g., biofeedback or physiological triggering, such as blinking his left eye deliberately hidden behind the aluminum foil) is really going on here.


- Upir'

why does he need connections to his ears?

At least he admits that his In the Dark string produced no results.

lol Upir.

Validity, reliability etc remain unsubstantiated by this man and as you so rightly point out, true scientists welcome testing of their theories. I noticed he did not answer the question about the software he used and so, without precise explanation of all the instruments of measure, his experiment would be impossible to recreate and therefore test...and he's been thinking about it for how many years???

I was amused to see that his demonstration consisted of something I'm positive my children made in their pre-school years, perhaps if the crude device he had fashioned looked more 'scientific' I'd have been less sceptical, as it is, I'm still giggling here.

correction His Staring in the Dark at photo paper failed, now had he produced results there.. I would be impressed, especially if they were reproduced.

LOL I remember when we talked about this and found the link to one of the threads.I cant find the link to Xray man though.And that thread was a while back...and still he hasnt gotten the award.

He succed in exposing his madness, as they all do.

Amazing how they keep getting people to buy their books that expound upon their "Awesome" discoveries.. man if I bought this guys book, I would want a refund

Here is one link but you will need to search for the others.I cant remember the titles.

https://www.vampirerave.com/forum/message.php?message=69800&group=1&catid=1

Dab the answer is simple...
he needs those connections to his ears so that he can hear his own Awesomeness. lol

Actually, I think there's a bit of validity to the theory. You can't just shoot it down because you can't wrap your head around it.

Remi, yet again it must apparently be pointed out that the burden of evidence lies with the proposer of a theory, not with the receiver of that theory. Only the fanatical and/or the gullible get this reversed and then go so far as to shift all such burden upon the receiver rather than the proposer... as have you.

Here we have a claim that "energy beams" shoot out of the eyes, yet the proposer cannot provide any evidence of what form, wavelength, frequency, etc., such energy takes, the mode and mechanism of its transmission nor even provide any evidence and/or effect of such energy's transmission. Your knee-jerk reaction is to choose to believe this theory so much that you chastize those who rightfully question its dubious validity.

Frankly, I'm more curious about this peculiar mindset that has people like you and lavisbre so willing and wanting to jump aboard any out-there claims despite the complete lack of legitimate evidence for same.

Maybe if we could better understand your point of view, perhaps then we might all better understand why tragedies like the Jonestown and Heaven's Gate cults could convince their respective followers so completely in equally wacko claims that they willingly take their own lives for them. They, too, said almost the same things to their family and friends prior to their mass suicides as you are saying here now to us.


- Upir'

Excellent analysis, Upir.
You've given this far more of your time and energy than I would have!

i agree with Upir there is not supernatural about knowing when some one is watching you its just an understanding and a awareness of ones surroundings if one has a firm grasp on such then by commen sense one would know if he or she is being watched. i find it very funny that people really do buy in to this for lack of a better term crock of crap.

Simple answer Upirlikhyj
We don’t jump at just anything which is a vulgar and ignorant of the evidence placed in front of you as you mentioned were gullible? Who’s acting like a puppet of popular skeptic mag, we know science is just getting there with quantum idears; as for the big companies you blindly follow who control media and life, sell aids infected blood for profet and meds that cause untold damage for a buck; DR you cant trust as you don’t know if it’s a real operation you need or he needs to pay off a new holiday home; such evil and corruption you blindly promote will not ever back supernatural not even depending on how much money it can make and how much it will lose after all it’s purely money based business and far from ethical. Ever heard of a double blind test? Something supernatural or just something interesting going on. Science calls ESP and so forth just something interesting going on. I wished to point out a challenge used to silence most debates on a Vampire site is coming from an organization that will do anything it can to not except supernatural ( after all it would be the end of them and greed and corruption rises once again. this is just the first from a science paper not just a mad man as you so funnily paint him; that’s right this is a real excepted paper in science. He may have things on his ear and not look so cool to you and someone. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter I will always believe in the supernatural and you will always believe in your belief. We seem delusional to you and you seem very delusional to us and that’s life.

Lav, even the Guy says it has nothing to do with supernatural, where are you getting the idea that he is promoting supernatural ideals?

lavisbre... you're ranting non sequiturs, yet again.

This quack doctor's "eyebeam" scam has absolutely nothing to do with big business, governmental conspiracies, HIV-tainted blood or anything else you have decided to spew out into the Internet ether here in the desperate hope that something... anything!... will succeed in deviating and distracting us all from your ludicrous forum topic in defense of the indefensible.

JREF is one of the few remaining bastions out there challenging the endless parade of quacks, scam artists and charlatans forever attempting to bilk the gullible public of their hard-earned money in their headlong narcissistic drive to wrest power, control and fortunes from the rest of us.

You, as one of those gullible people, resent this greatly given that you apparently detest reality and truth as too "mundane," and apparently wish to believe in the fantasy realities created for you by such quacks and con artists. Thus, you choose to attack those so successfully revealing such to be the wackos that they truly are.

Well... that is your right, of course. However, don't expect the rest of us to jump aboard and enthusiastically play in the band with you as your sinking ship of fools slips eternally beneath the waves.


- Upir'

http://www.rossinst.com/

In reading, not only from this website but also others, this physician's basis of practice is rooted in the Trauma Model of psychopathology. While there is some legitimacy to Trauma connections and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, which is an actual problem experienced by war veterans and abuse victims, the ruminations of Dr. Ross is to connect Trauma (often rooted in sexual, physical and Satanic ritual abuse) as being directly connected to a broad multiplicity of personality disorders, that while still yet a debated theory, is laced heavily with levity.

If you actually read the papers he published, it is full of gobbledegook and scientific jargon that states quite clearly that these frequencies, supposedly guaged and measured by his altered biofeedback gizmo, covered in aluminum foil, are "assumed," not factually determined.

As with any science paper put forth, much of what Dr. Ross puts forth is simply "theory" and should be taken with a grain of salt until such concrete foundational information can be brought forth to confirm his summation that the eyes can shoot forth rays of energy while staring at someone.

It quite frankly reminds me of a delusional patient that entered into our office only a few weeks ago. This patient appeared cognitive and normal until seeing the doctor, at which point...still cognitive and quite seriously, asked the doctor is he could "tell if someone had stolen the patient's eyes?"

The patient was quite adamant that the iris color had changed that morning upon waking and was absolutely convinced that the eye color had changed from the normal brown to a blue/green color, hence "someone" had come in overnight and "stolen the origial eyes and replaced them with someone else's."

When the doctor determined the patient's eyes were indeed brown and not blue/green in color, the patient was immediately calmer and said, "oh..ok then..then that's good, 'cause those are my eyes and not those others."

True story.

I would highly recommend that before becoming a leaping lemur in following fantasy-laden theories proposed as facts, a background check of Dr. Colin A. Ross would also reveal to you that his reputation is sealed in controversy and perpetuates the trauma model of "repressed memories" and has noted to his list of clients, even Rosanne Barr.

I find it truly amazing that a doctor having a list of wealthy clientelle would have the money to establish a "private insitute" in 1995 to promote his own ideology and theories and dupe a lot of good people in the process. He's certainly not the first and won't be the last of those with a couple of letters behind his name to pull this sort of thing and try to profit from it.

To be sure that it is understood, this miscarriage of applied medicine is otherwise known as MALPRACTICE and the fact it is being peddled as SCIENCE is even further a smack in the face to those who actually work hard in their respective fields of medicine to treat the wellness of their patients.

First off, thank you, Silverhawk, for finding and providing "Dr." Ross' website. It was through this that I was able to look up and actually find online the entire published "study" he performed and wrote re: his "evil eye" claim to what he calls "human ocular extramission" (eyebeams).

As someone who personally co-authored a true peer-reviewed and then professionally published study in an actual scientific journal, I found that reading Dr. Ross' study was quite an (excuse the expression)... eye opener.

In his study "Hypothesis: The Electrophysiological Basis of Evil Eye Belief, "Dr." Ross failed to follow many of the required protocols of an actual scientific study (e.g., no experiment "protocols" and "method" sections that each delineates how many experiments were performed, the particulars of each [timeframes, environment, etc.], and how each was specifically accomplished; no "control" group studies to isolate whether the same range of brainwave activity occurred with or without the goggles on, elimination of subjective bias through the use of outside research subjects). Instead, all we get are gaping generalizations and non-specifics that, had he submitted his "study" to any truly professional scientific journal, it would have been rejected for publication immediately.

Hell... He doesn't even bother to reveal that the study's only research subject and its only author were both the same person: himself! This, alone, calls greatly into question the legitimacy of the study's claims and conclusions.

All of this aside and as verified by his own words, all he did was hook himself up to a biofeedback machine that measures his own brainwaves (alpha through gamma) as he opened and closed his eyes. And all he succeeded in documenting was that when his eyes were open (shock of shocks!) there was a higher degree of brainwave activity than when his eyes were closed. Is not this to be exactly as expected?

Is it not an obvious fact that any time you increase sensory stimulation to the brain, you are going to likewise experience a corresponding increase brainwave activity in response to such stimulation?

For obvious reasons, this is exactly what one would expect given that when our eyes are open and our brain is thus receiving visual stimuli, our brain's activity is going to increase! This is unavoidable, of course, and indicates nothing at all of energy being transmitted from our eyes but, instead, only serves to verify that our brains are receiving energy and responding accordingly.

Thus, all that is evidenced here is that energy and information, etc., is received via the eyes rather than transmitted from them. And this is, of course, the exact opposite of what "Dr." Ross' own study claimed to prove.

Oh... and as can be additionally verified simply by reading the study, itself, no where in the study does Dr." Ross' experiment even attempt to measure any "extramission" outside his own head!


Now I fully understand why JREF hasn't done anything with this, yet: there is nothing in his experiment that could possibly validate "ocular extramissions" even were such to be taking place! Thus, JREF has probably required that "Dr." Ross first conceive and then propose an actual experiment that would document any such. Thus, as JREF doesn't attempt to force any claimant by designing their own tests, the "ball" is and has been in "Dr." Ross' court since 2008 to design any such experiment that would document his theory.

If and when "Dr." Ross designs and submits a real experiment that can measure and record such "ocular transmissions" as he claims to be able to project, then and only then can JREF proceed and arrange for same to be conducted. That this has not yet occurred can only mean that "Dr." Ross (surprise... surprise!) has as yet failed to design and submit such a legitimate test proposal.


- Upir'

Look this is quiet a long thread and it gets a bit technical and apologies~I am a little tired of could be maybe should bees.
Does this mean JREF will pay 1 miilion if someone can emit light from an eye under normal conditions. Just asking because Oceanne stated others have already done this so 1.Why were they not paid?
2.Were they bogus or did they fall outside parameters?
3. Does anyone have the link;I want to see the 'wiggle' room as the small print probably states all sorts of non-sense and I will probably nail them upside down if so.
/\_^..^_/.X.

AN -

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

James Randi: Truly an Amazing Psychic Investigator

Hope you all enjoy this fabulous 15 part video set

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKmdRwhY6g&feature=related

Here is a wonderful 2007 presentation by James Randi as he provides a wonderful and highly entertaining and humorous lecture on... Truth and Psychic Ability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Z7KeNCi7g


If you watch only ONE video presentation by this incredibly gifted man, this is the one you should see.

I quote from the JREF " We design the protocols and conditions under which the test is held "...
Oh please it is so open to abuse I could drive a moose through it !

Having said that Mr Randi is most welcome, I am tired of dealing with freaks and fools.

HUH? I did? Perhaps you have misunderstood AN.I had started a thread on this several months ago,and provided the link but do not believe I said others did it...it is the same guy.

I enjoyed the link, thanks Upir. However, as Randi states, and I wish to clarify this for everyone, the Million Dollar Challenge is not set up to say that psychic phenomenon "doesn't exist"..but is there as a challenge to those charlatans that make a ludicrous amount of money giving "readings" and "talking to the dead" by taking advantage of emotionally and/or mentally distraught people. In challenging that unethical behavior, I commend him. However, while he is at it, he may need to include television evangelists who employ the same trickery to get "monetary gifts" from their congregants.

Unfortunately, although I am not certain on this point, I believe part of the foundation of this country is freedom of religion....being able to believe in whatever or whomever you wish to regardless of off-the-wall affiliations (Heaven's Gate, etc.). It is by this definition that charlatan preachers and psychics alike can create a flock of gullible believers to their sermons, rants, or hearing from their dearly departed Aunt Sarah.

As I've posted in another thread...Mystified...I don't believe people are purposely gullible but are easily led simply due to being ill-informed and their misguided trust. Eventually...and unfortunately...brain-washing occurs and for most who "survive" such cultistic followings, they are often still convinced they missed the passing comet to the afterlife....the damage is done.

How many millions of dollars are given away all in the name of God and the "tithe" for a church that sticks it in their bank account and does not use it for the purposes they propose. This is not to say that every parishoner should not give, but while you're at it, as a member of such religious affiliation, you also have a right and say in how the money is spent and as far as I've known...business meetings are conducted once a month in most churches.

However, having been a Keeper of the Minutes at on time, I never saw a member outside the business delegates attend these meetings. Not one person who gave thier tithe knew how much money was in the churches' main bank account or savings account, much less heard the delegates "decide" that $20 a month to give to Sunday School teachers for supplies was "too much" for the children of the church making up their classes.

As for television evangelists and/or charlatan psychics, why would you give your money to someone you haven't checked their financial backing as well?...Being a charitable organization, they have to post how and where they divide the money up and yet not one person that gives to charity can tell you how that charity spends their money....???????

Common Sense often gives way to the hypnotic lure of these speakers to "do this because it makes you feel good" or "marks your place in heaven." As in the case of this doctor of malpractice...whose hypothesis is crafted after much the same framework...those who give him money for his "private corporation" to push these hypothesis/theories are just as duped as Granny Flanders giving her life savings to Paster Joe on Channel 8.

AN, could you please provide the hyperlink to the quote you allege as that given at Randi's website? This is not at all what the website actually says and I need to know if you have deliberately attempted to deceive and mislead others or whether you have quoted from some other webpage I could not find.

Here is what the website states regarding the design and protocols followed in all "Million Dollar Challenge" tests:

The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. (emphasis added)

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html


And if one bothers to actually read through prior tests, or watch any of the many youtube videos of James Randi's appearances where he confronts and debunks psychics, you will see that all he does is first respectfully permit the psychic to demonstrate his/her "paranormal power," then either perform the exact same feat, himself, revealing how this was done, or else ask the psychic to repeat the experiment after then adding a control to the environment that keeps the psychic from tricking the audience (his masterful debunking of James Hydrick in this video provides a perfect example of Randi's simple yet stunningly effective method of debunking con artists without interfering with the "psychic's" claims).


And, Silverhawk, I use AN's entry above as only the latest of 100s such found just on VR alone that clearly demonstrate how those who desperately want to believe will defend those beliefs by acting just as deceptively and disingenuously as do the charlatans they defend.

AN was not misinformed. He read the same words I did at James Randi's website... then deliberately gave as a "quote" words that don't exist there. He chose to deliberately misrepresent Randi's words so as to misinform others and paint Randi as someone who "forces" psychics into tests they did not design or with which they do not agree. This was a deliberate act on his part and not one of simple misinformation or in committing an "honest mistake."


- Upir'

Silver Hawk,

James Randi has gone after Televangilist, specifically Peter Popov, he used a scanner to catch the frequency his wife was broadcasting congragation info thru.

Thanks dabs! You beat me to it.

It was James Randi who conducted the greatest debunking of these tele-evangelist frauds of them all: Peter Popoff. Drove the scam artist into bankruptcy in 1987... and there are many many youtube videos of this scam and Randi's slam-dunk debunking of this sleazy slime-ball. In fact, to my knowledge James Randi is the only one to take on a major tele-evangelist and prove him a fraud. Unfortunately, no one has ever lost money underestimating the stupidity and gullibility of the general public and, today, Popoff is back and raking in over 23 million dollars a year performing the same fraudulent "faith healing" scams that he did two decades ago!

And thank you, Silverhawk, for correctly pointing out that Randi frequently states that such powers might be possible. Thus, he is open-minded (despite what fraudulent "psychcs" and their victimized believers love to parrot). However, he has yet to find anyone able to demonstrate such in more than 40 years that his challenge has been out there.


- Upir'

:) Thanks Dabs and Upir..I appreciate it...although I experience psychic events, I certainly wouldn't want or try to make a career out of it....I think by far, the prevalence of frauds in every area, media, psychics, preachers...and yes...even "M.D.'s"....are what makes it so very difficult for credibility to be had or ventured for by those of us in the world that actually experience things in a sense that is outside practical explanation.

I for one would love to be ceremoniously hooked up to any machine to see what the hell happens inside my head when such a seemingly random event happens. I seriously do not know and the intellectual side of me would love to know. As for the present, I am still quite happy in pursuing all sides of the analysis and spectrum of my psychic symptoms, and most happy to see the con-artists debunked...anytime..:)

to me this sounds like he is on a wild goose chase to me as it seems like he can not actually prove any of his theroies so why does this still hold such a impacted on people. i mean is it that most people out in the world seek something that is out side there normal every day life or is it that part of there persona's that seek that paranormal maybe even darker side to there own souls so to say. i mean really.

I suspect it has to do with a gateway, as if this one thing holds that (if proven) then everything is as idealized.

Yet not often do those to whom "hope springs eternal" ever look back at the grave yard of exposed, and debunked psuedo-science.