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My question for the Forum is this - (I apologise for the length of this question but it must weather the intellect of contributors such as BloodXCreep) it is a fact of genetic engineering that all male genus can be traced to one man and all female genus to one woman - Genesis describes a recurring sexual intermingling between the Sons of God and the Sons of Men... and the expulsion of the Sons of Man from the realm of Man was accompanied by an expulsion of rogue Sons of God... and God's decree is that the Sons of Man and God shall ever be set against each other...history also wrestles with an explanation of the extinction of the neanderthal apparently orchestrated by Homo Sapiens... neanderthals are now being rediscovered as of equal (certainly not inferior) intellect to Homo Sapiens... so who or what are we? and by intimation who are the Fallen? and why are they thought to be the origin of all vampire lore?

I am not sure of who or what we are, lol, but I have my theories on the fallen. I think the fallen are those that chose to rise against god (his angels) and were cast away from heaven either to earth or to hell. I think that if they do exist then they might of had a hand in vampire folk lore because they are said to be beautiful, elegant, and strong. Just like the vampires in books and movies, they are said to have a thirst for revenge, and blood, at least that is what I have heard, but then again I am not really sure if I think they exist or not so my whole idea on the subject is kind of contradictory.

hmmm...well I looked it up here is link I found interesting on it.
www.christinamwilliams.com/Business/Neanderthal.htm

To my understanding all of humanity has the genetic triats of the angels that slept with the women of the earth.

Being more of a rationalist, I don't think the 'fallen' are anything more than those infected with a particular disease, rather than being hereditary. I don't know what this disease could be or where it came from, but it would be something that caused significant changes in human physiology, thus rendering such a member of the human species 'fallen'.

Give me some genetic proof that 'the fallen' is a different species from the species homo sapiens, and I might start to agree that 'the fallen' came from something other than a genetic mutation. But until then... I respectfully disagree with the notion of 'the fallen' being a particularly diseased homo sapien.

ARGH, I meant that I respectfully disagree with the previous statements and think that 'the fallen' are particularly diseased human beings. Sorry!

(P. S. if a Dominar wants to merge this with my previous post, feel free).

Becomethesea,
What kindpof disease or genetic defect do you think could have infected these people?

Or here is one for the sake of disscussion..what about a cell that was somehow accessed and ingested that kept a certain group of people,so healthy and long lived that they became stronger,faster healtier etc...
Because as far as I know,I really cant say I know of a disease that would make people better.By deff. of the word alone.

a cell ingested would be broken down and used by the body as a protein

There are some arts such as BioKinesis and some off shoots of the Kabala and Alchemic Transformation as well as the spiritual transubstantiation in Transcendental and Hermetic magicks That could deal with such.

However in order to effect a change in the body as well as the physical world you have to first do your rite working, then you have to some how effect such a change. This can run from any number of processes, all of them dangerous to the user.

The imbibing of noxious herbs, or the surgical implantation of stones that have been used to graft demonic, or spiritual energies to. Gemstones and rings adorning the body to which spiritual atributes can use the flesh as a medium to create such changes. It is very likely that the ancient cultures applied this, but to the ends they are unknown, all we have left are the fragements they have left us. But it is best to keep in mind the logic of the argument, and a healthy reality check when dealing with dealing in something that is generally unknown unless one summons up the dead or dying or still existing spirit of something that was around at that time to give an answer, but if one does that, not many are going to give to the results with any creedence, because that is the nature of things. Not take any experiences not had first hand with a grain of salt. It is how one stays objective, it is how one interacts with the rest of their selected societies.

So what is the use of continuing these arguments time and time again? I have not read anything new or interesting in these forms of discussion. The best I can say is go research methods of transformation, seek by becoming.

Yes, TWC,this is true,but there are ,and possibly were other methods of getting this cell into the body..and what if this cell,remained in Coloidal suspension until the introduction of Oxygen? Thus,remaining dormant until it was in the bloodstream....

And for something like this to be activated,why would it take a rite? You do mean as in a scientific procedure akin to magick? Sunch as Alchemy?

To the ancient mindset, rites and science were one and the same. So yes it would be a form of alchemy in unison with their spiritualism. They were not separated like today. So understanding that they were one and the same, it would have been a form of an alchemic biological modification the likes of which can only be theorized.

Does anyone recognise this?

3 CH4 > C4+ +12H-
12 Li +3C4+ >3C4- +12Li+
NH3 > N3- + 3H+
The above CN bond spacing was 10% over carbon to carbon bond. If you do,then come and lets talk. :)

3 CH4 > C4+ +12H-
12 Li +3C4+ >3C4- +12Li+
NH3 > N3- + 3H+


3(carbon[4 hydrogen]) >4(carbon)(positivly charged) + 12(hydrogen)(negativly charged?)
12(lithium) + 3(4 Carbon positivly charged) > 3(4 carbon negative charge) + 12(lithium pos charged)
(Nitrogen)(3 hydrogen) > 3(nitrogen neg charged) + 3(hydrogen positive charged)

.....wow thats interesting. Either one is making a batter or attempting to cause the alteration of the protiens within the cellular structure, almost in a way as to cut back on the production of something. Not sure.

NH3 =? nitric acid - the removing nitric acid???

I was simply refering to the biologic action, not the magical.

You got that right... a sortof batter,yes.
And just suppose a mixture of adenosine tri phosphate(ATP) and guanosine tri phosphate(GTP), ribose, nucleotides, glucose, fructose and glucose phosphates, under the right conditions, enticed this organism from where it was hidden in the human , for an unknown number of millions of years?
And these conditions somehow exsisted way back when,and were somehow triggered....thus producing these extrodinary people..just food for thought.

I understand TWC...but what if they are one in the same in the end?Or so to speak. What if,magik is not but a form of free scroll energy which promotes the life process..and can be manipulated. I mean,what is cold fusion really..science or magik?
You know what though? I seemed to have dumped in this thread ..And even though I feel it is tightly interwoven and is one with this subject,it takes away from the original question.Maybe we should start a new one on this?

A version of the the Methuselah gene.

If we are the Sons of God then why does Jesus the Redeemer refer to himself as the Son of Man?

Satan is properly translated as the Accuser and is an Angel of God charged with the role of prosecuting sinners... he is therefore not an enemy of god... Hindu lore endorses this view of satan...

The beings created to populate Eden were bred to tend the garden as slaves... flesh and blood being made in the image of God but lacking a soul... My Spirit shall not rest in Man...

Wow, hmm... I can't really contribute but I am sure going to pay attention to this thread because thats a very interesting question. And one I can bring up for me and my friends to discuss as well.

There is no limit to the extent to the relations of any man with the universe in essence; for as soon as man makes himself one with any idea the means of measurement ceases to exist. But his power to utalize that force is limited by his mental power and capacity, and by the curcumstances of his human environment.

The magician however ell he succeeds in making contact with the secret source of energy in nature can only use them to the extent permitted by his intellectual and metal qualities.

Every man must do magick each time that he acts or thinks since a thought is an internal act whose influence ultimately affects action, though it may not do so at the time.

Every man should make magick the keynote of his life. He should learn by its laws and live by them.

Man is ignorant of his own being and powers, Even his idea of his limitations is based on experience of the past, and every step in his progress extends his empire. There is therefore no reason to assign theoretical limits to what he may be or what he may do.

Man is capable of being, and using anything which he percieves for everything that he percieves is in a certain sense part of his being. He may then thus subjugate the whole universe of his he is conscious of to his individiual will.

- Alester Crowly.

That man said those words, and they ring true today moreso then ever they did. This applies to not only the constructs of uses between the concepts of the nephilim and vampirism but the things man(human) is capable of. Only limited by their imaginations.

If we are the Sons of God then why does Jesus the Redeemer refer to himself as the Son of Man?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.html

(because i believe he is of both son of man and son of god his mother being pregnant by the holy spirit who begat him)

First of all, even if the phrase "Son of Man" is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.

Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term "Son of Man" is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the "Son of Man," Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to earth as the "Son of Man" in clouds of glory to reign on earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9).

Further, when Jesus was asked by the high priest whether He was the "Son of God" (Matthew 26:63), He responded affirmatively, declaring that He was the "Son of Man" who would come in power and great glory (verse 64). This indicated that Jesus Himself used the phrase "Son of Man" to indicate His deity as the Son of God.

Finally, the phrase "Son of Man" also emphasizes who Jesus is in relation to His incarnation and His work of salvation. In the Old Testament (Leviticus 25:25-26, 48-49; Ruth 2:20), the next of kin (one related by blood) always functioned as the "kinsman-redeemer" of a family member who needed redemption from jail. Jesus became related to us "by blood" (that is, He became a man) so He could function as our Kinsman-Redeemer and rescue us from sin.

There are gnostic texts that suggest that there were two Jesus' at work... Jesus the Man (the human being) and the spirit that took possession of Jesus at the Baptism by John... consider that the Pharisees viewed Jesus as possessed by demons... there is a religious sect that believes that Jesus the God will reinhabit a chosen individual at the Second Coming...

we have several different topics in this thread..maybe we should break this into 2 or 3 threads

lol wildchild,"Uzziel" that is true i think that there are lot of theories that derive from different belief systems which makes it hard to know which one of the many..are more accurate,as with time information tends to change we can only assume what is or what is not the truth purely it is a personal preference on what one chooses to believe.