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Everyone loves a good ghost story and some take it a step farther and go ghost hunting.

Many have believed for eons that ghosts are spirits of the dead who have gotten lost somehow and are trapped in some terrible situation here on Earth.

However,there has been a lot of new information and pretty solid data coming in that suggests that ghosts and some other haunting phenomena is actually the result of geomagnetic fields and fluxuations.

Another cause for ghost encounters is infrasound.

Both of these things have been shown to produce ghostly experiences big time and if one looks closely at the comparisons, it is easy to see how this could indeed be fact.

With this information on the table, would you still hold strong to your beliefs that ghosts are spirits?

my family maintains some property that historically is from the late 1600's, in the east. They restored a large home back to its near original forms. There has been reported "happenings" there. We have house minders there who will not live in the house. They were in there a week and purchased a large mobile home. We later discovered that the site was used to torture and hang people accused of witchcraft. and where the main room is 3 young women committed suicide rather than be questioned.

It would be kool for you to contact the MADS project and tell them about the site.Sites such as the one you describe here are needed to further the research as to whether magnetic fields are responsible for many sightings.The hallucinations have been produced and reproduced in the lab,now its time to get out into the field to find out whats going on.

As of now, I believe ghosts are spirits, but one must define spirit. We are composed of energy and when we die (thanks to the Law of Conservation) that energy must go somewhere. So I believe it just moves into "ghost" form.

However, if one could provide compelling, repeatable, and irrefutable scientific proof of your hypothesis, then my views would change.

Oceanne, we had some independent groups there, and they've confirmed abnormal activity there. Funny thing, the house is quiet and friendly on Easter, and Christmas. no-one has been injured or harmed. The activity appears friendly as least.

Hows this for starters Poetic..

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Krippner, S. (1975). Song of the siren: A parapsychological odyssey. New York: Harper and Row.



Krippner, S., Becker, A., Cavallo, M., & Washburn, B. (1972, Fall). Electrophysiological studies of ESP in dreams: Lunar cycle differences in 80 telepathy sessions. Human Dimensions, pp. 14-19.



Krippner, S., & Persinger, M. (1996). Evidence for enhanced congruence between dreams and distant target material during periods of decreased geomagnetic activity. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 10, 487-493.



Laszlo, E. (1993). The creative cosmos. Edinburgh, Scotland: Floris Books.



Palmer, J. (1994). Explorations with the perceptual ESP test. Journal of Parapsychology, 58, 115-147.



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Persinger, M.A. (1985). Geophysical variables and behavior: XXX. intense paranormal activities occur during days of quite, global geomagnetic activity. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 61, 320-322.



Persinger, M.A. (1989). Psi phenomena and temporal lobe activity: The geomagnetic factor. In LA. Henkel & R. Berger (Eds.), Research in parapsychology 1988 (pp. 121-156). Metuchen, NJ: Scarecrow Press.



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Spottiswoode, S.J.P. (1997). Apparent association between effect size in free response anomalous cognition experiments and local sidereal time. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 11, 109-122.



Spottiswoode, S.J.P., & May, E. (1997, June). Evidence that free response anomalous cognitive performance depends upon local sidereal time and geomagnetic fluctuations (Abstract). Presentation Abstracts, Sixteenth Annual Meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration, p. 8.



Tart, C.T. (1988). Geomagnetic effects on GESP: Two studies. Journal of the American Society of Psychical Research, 82, 193-216.



Tinoco, C.A. (1982). The biological organizing model. Curitiba: Grafica Veja.



Ullman, M., Krippner, S., & Vaughan, A. (1989). Dream telepathy. Experiments in nocturnal ESP (2nd ed.). Jefferson, NO: McFarland, 1989.


When youre ready for more,let me know.

For the record,Im not trying to change anyones mind,what peeps think is up to them.
But I have found strong evidence here and I am simply wanting to share,as well as hear others opinions(educated)on different aspects of it.

It might take you a little time to go through those,so I looked for something a bit more conclusive for you.

Here you go,kind of a one stop shop link..

http://neurotheology.50megs.com/whats_new_10.html

One thing I do have a problem with is some of these paranormal TV programs which seem to hype up the argument, such as Ghost hunters and Teen Ghost hunters. I wonder about their veracity

What argument,that ghosts are spirits?

They certainly are spiritual energies, yes. Certainly not physical.

I gotchya.

Thanks for clarifying that.You're right,they do believe it is spiritual.But just because it might also physical in certain sense,doesnt mean it isnt spiritual.what it suggests to me at this time is a little difficult for me to explain,but I will try at a later date...but know that it doesnt rule out the spiritual .

I'm not sure if the magnetic field theory explains how people can read the same information about a ghost and have it be basically accurate.

A friend of mine used to have a ghost in the garden, of the old lady who used to own the house before. We used to amuse ourselves by having random visitors have a go to "guess the ghost."

It was quite remarkable how the same story was told over and over, of a small elderly lady in lavender or pale blue, with a stick and a straw hat. As far as I know, no-one ever said it was a male ghost, or a child ghost, or even a lady ghost. It was always the same old lady in lavender.

Perhaps people have perceptional devices that can detect things science cannot as yet.

I do.

Entrainment.

Also,you have said some key words.;)
Not only thst,but if anything about the Akashic record and torsion fields is to be believed,it can very easily stand to reason...all it does is act as the perfect conduit.The magnetics triggering bioelectrical activities that would allow us to percieve things like that..the memories contained in the record etc...

I can find myself in the more scientific view to ghost stories.

Places that experienced a violent past, sometimes reflect this, like a video tape that always play the same piece. The energy was picked up, and is being refelected.

Earth magnetism and related can influence our experiences.

Much still needs to be discovered about what and how, but science is getting up with folklore and legends. Will they be able to explain everything? Maybe not, but my advice would be to first look for a scientific reason, before jumping to conclusions.

Energy isn't destroyed, but changes form, so when we die, our energy continous in another form, which can reflect pieces of the past.

As a Spiritual Atheist, I don't believe in an after life, as told by mainstream religion, but have found interesting points in the work of Carl Gustav Jung.

Hm I posted a video about haunted places. I guess it was deleted, by someone. Energies from your inner self transmit themselves onward and still have a consciousness capable of making decisions. So if those energies decide to stay in a certain place then you'll have definite activity.

Respectfully Mel,I dsagree in part.I dont feel that there is any conciousness left here to make any decisions once we are dead.Our time for that is done.

OK although when you look at the history of most haunting, the ghosts were there due to a specific cause and oftimes need to express something, not just mindless energies. Even many paranormal investigators say so. In fact when the team investigated my ancestral home, it was their opinion that the spirits there wanted to express something. Perhaps their grief and anger, although they weren't malicious to the people there.

If it turns out that electromagnetics are the cause of many if not most hauntings,then it would stand to reason that people could think that.Our minds do funny things.

Even under normal circumstances,we tend to lend"human thinking" to animals and such.and in my line of work,that can be a very dangerous mistake.

Mel,see if you cant get ahold of some of these papers.It will explain a lot and you can see for yourself what I am trying to tell you..
I would like to point out that while I do present this as a probable cause of many hauntings and ghost encounters,I dont think it is covers all.But at this point,who knows.

Anyway,enjoy!!

Freund, Friedemann; Takeuchi, Akihiro; Lau, Bobby; Post, Rachel; Keefner, John; Mellon, Joshua; Al-Manaseer, Akthem: Stress-Induced Charges in the Electrical Conductivity of Igneous Rocks and the Generation of Ground Currents: TAO, Volume 15, No. 3, September 2004, 437-467


Hashimoto, Hiroshi; Enomotol, Yugi; Tsutsumi, Akhito; Kasahara, Minoru: Anomalous Geo-Electric Signals Associated with Recent Seismic Activities in Tsukuba and Volcanic Activity at Mount Usu in Hokkaido: : Seismo-Electromagnetics; Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling: TerraPub, 2003 77-80


Madden, Theodore; Mackie, Randall: What Electrical Measurements Can Say About Changes in Fault Systems: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA: April 1996, Volume 93, 3776-3780


Sakai, Kurt; Ito, Tetsuya; Takano, Toshiaki; Shimakura, Shin: The Basic Research of Anomalous Propagation of FM Radio Broadcasting Wave Related to Earthquakes: : Seismo-Electromagnetics; Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling: TerraPub, 2003 259-262


Schulenberg, Keith: Effects of solar generated ionosphere disturbances on imminent earthquake strike zones during passage of the solar terminator: Presented at the International Workshop on Seismo-Electromagnetics in Tokyo, 2005


Schulenberg, Keith: Correlation Between Time-Specific Solar Activity and Subsequent Earthquakes: Presented at the Western Pacific Geophysical Meeting in Beijing, 2006


Seto, Masahiro: Murayama, Kenji; Kitamura, Yasuo; Watanabe, Tomiya: Observation of Seismo-Genic ELF Magnetic Field Variations and Seismo-Electromagnetic Currents in a Power Transmission System: : Seismo-Electromagnetics; Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling: TerraPub, 2003 69-75


Varotsos, P.; Sarlis, N.: A Review of the Recent VAN Efforts: The Explanation of SES (Seismo-Electric Signals) Properties : Seismo-Electromagnetics; Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling: TerraPub, 2003 131-146

Thanks, Oceanne that's quite a sackful as we'd say in the UK. *S* We've had 2 teams go through the house, and they did discover some activity in the house. Strangely though it's quiet on Easter and Christmas. The family meet then,but they leave just before midnight. One relative stayed with her b/f and they were out of there within an hour.

You're welcome Mel.
There is that sackful because there is a lot of evidence that supports what Im saying.
But thats not even a 1/4 of it.
Anyway,I do think that most hauntings and encounters have much to do with electromagnetics.
How it all fits ,Im not quite sure about it all yet,but hey,Im workin on it!!

How old is the house Mel?
The old knob and tube wiring used in the early part of this century and is seen in old homes, is often a culprit producing high magnetic fields.
Vintage radiant ceiling heat also can produce magnetic fields as high as 10 to 15 mG in a room.

This house and property go back to the last years of the Witch Trials Era. WE restored it and it's part of a tour. The furniture is still intact to a great degree although much has been re-fashioned. The people who are the house minders keep it tidy, but none of them go in there alone, at anytime.

The wireing is what I am most interested in Mel..Did you re wire the house?

Btw,it sounds lovely.

No, for historical purposes the house is candle lit. No power outlets or anything. They wanted to keeo everything as reannachting the history as possible. There were power outlets installed outside the house for the house minders for their RV like house, and water hook up and septic tank

That leaves that out then.
Is there any kind of old windmill?

Or fence?

Here are the results of one of the experiments for infrasound..



Results
Obviously it takes quite a lot of time to analyse such a lot of data, but a few results stood out from a preliminary look at the data. This analysis was done on 439 questionnaire responses, there were a few more responses from the final Sunday night tour, but the preliminary analysis was conducted for a talk at the Theosophical Society on the Sunday, so these final ones were not included.

249 people experienced both ambient and generated infrasound (referred to hereafter as the "yes" condition)
190 people experienced only ambient infrasound (referred to hereafter as the "no" condition)

Number of people reporting experiences:
33.33% of people in the "yes" group
35% of people in the "no" group

Number of people reporting multiple experiences:
36% of people in the "yes" group
16.4% in the "no" group

Reports of temperature anomalies:
20% of people in the "yes" group reported a temperature rise
5% of people in the "no" group reported a temperature rise

Sample of Reports:
Feeling of being watched; Anxiety, Feeling uncomfortable; Nausea

Discussion
From these preliminary results, it appears that a similar number of people reported experiences, whether the generated infrasound was on or off. However, in the "off" condition people were more likely to report just one experience, whereas in the "on" condition, people were reporting multiple experiences, up to four experiences each.
The temperature data is interesting - there are numerous anecdotal reports that the temperature appears to drop when an apparent paranormal phenomenon occurs. This is very little documented evidence of a real, physical temperature drop occurring simultaneously with an apparent paranormal occurrence, and although there is a small body of evidence to suggest a change in temperature may coincide with a perceived paranormal event, this is a widely debated yet largely unexplored area of research. Interestingly, 20% of people in the "on" condition described a rise in temperature as opposed to the drop in temperature we might expect them to report, compared to only 5% of the "off" group.

http://www.ipi-radio.info/infrasound-experiment/


This is the result of only one experiment.Those that have followed have produced pretty much the same.

In light of this information,would that change anything about how we percieve ghosts?

Hans Holzer was very skeptical of people who used mechanical devices or tried to make it out to be logical, scientific happenings. I think the bridge can be crossed because we call things we don't fully understand paranormal and scientists try to limit that by an explanation.

They use gadgets that measure all sorts of things and quite frankly I have always thought there has to be some science behind everything, an explanation as to how things work. Mostly we don't know how to explain because we don't have the technology. Some are hallucinations caused by various factors. Many empaths can feel some of the things being caused by electrical lines and radon, etc.

It is good they are trying to explain some of it, but I firmly believe they won't be able to explain it all away. I think that is the goal of most rather than simply explaining why something can manifest itself after the death experience and why. These are two entirely different things.

There has never once been any proof that something has manifested itself after death.

However,there is a LOT of evidence that ceratin conditions provoke manifestations of the "paranormal" kind.

As for Hans Holzer,he might be skeptic when people try to recreate conditions with speakers or other technology ,thus being able to explain some things because he,like so many of us want ghosts and the afterlife to be real.A good example of it is right here in this thread.This is exciting news albeit not new.I ve known about the findings since 2000 ,and yet not one,save you Sin has even aknowledged it,much less really commented of the subject itself. .

I'm not sure we'll fully understand this issue for a while. I can say this though. I believe out house minder and so many others who've been in our ancestral home.

Of course..and when these things happen,they are really happening!,Its just not what we believe it to be at this point. Thats just fact,and that fact is being shown to be as such a lot now. Btw,root cellars are one of the biggest culprits of holding the standing waves that induce this phenomena...
So it int like everyone is lieing about it.
I just feel its time to adjust our thinking about it somewhat.

I used to live on an old fortress for about 12 1/2 years, many people had experiences there, voices coming from nowhere, shadows that moved around, the idea that you are being watched, etc.

Had the place checked out, a lot of magnetic points were found on the site, which could influence our brain.

Also the place was built in granite and bricks, two materials that are said to store energy, maybe those sensitive enough picked this up and saw like a replay of something passed.

The strangest thing I experienced myself, was first of all, when closing of a part late one evening, I felt a hand on my hand, as if someone wanted to help close the gate. Gave me a scare.

Secondly, one night I went to meditate above the main entrance, aiming me on a date before World War I, trying to pick up any vibrations. After a while I did hear voices and saw some shadows, but could have been my imagination.

short answer: yes

your comments are valid to a point, especially regarding recurring hauntings and such (every halloween at midnight the ghost of aunt martha stabs the mailman to death all over again).

but when there are signs of intellect and interaction, i think there must be something more to it than a geophysical phenomena.

and i have seen those signs of intellect in the last house i lived in.

~W~

Infrasound. That would explain a lot of happenings, but not all. However, that doesn't mean every bit of paranormal activity has to be either one or the other. I personally believe that the energy a person puts out can also cause "hauntings" or at the very least make existing energy stronger.

I have experienced things that seem of intelligent design too,so in spite of the evidence I have seen on it over the past 11 years, I cant feel good stating that there isnt something else there.
But could that be the result of what it does to the Pineal gland and in turn,alters our perception?

You know,since the pineal is the "Third Eye,” tucked into the center of the brain and is implicated in the production of endogenous or natural DMT. ..they dont call it the the third eye and spirit molecule for nothing.
;)

I dont know about any of you,but it would make me feel a little weird if all these things are simply reactions to the affects of electromagnetics/infrasound etc.. and nothing more.

Oceanne there's no Windmill, There is a wooden fence, that was rebuilt, but in it's original style. The Ministers used the house as a place of trial because it was the largest place. Big enough to hold a lot of people in the downstairs room. And the basement or cellar was made into an interrogation room where women and some men were examined in unspeakable, manners by "Witch-finders." 3 young women poisoned themselves in the cellar rather than face examination. One of the young women had refused sexual advances from one of the ministers, and, she was a friend of the other two. So, they were all taken. Suicide was preferable to hanging.

I have been a Paranormal researcher for years and I am a BIG skeptic most the time, I am also fully aware of the polterngeist project however as many cases that I have debunked I have found several that have been validated threw scientific research, I dont denounce the idea that SOME unexplained activity could in fact be magnetic fluxtuations but it seems common sense to me that just because you can imitate or reproduce something doesnt take away the fact that the real deal doesnt exist, the same hold true in regards to haunted pictures or video footage, some are man made fakes and some are real, there are even pictures that have produced images believed to be haunted images that were a product of the weather or the atmospheric conditions in the current location the picture was taken.

I can certainly see how some things could be caused by things mentioned in this thread. Certainly.

I do however personally think that there are spirits/ghosts/whatever you want to call them. This just comes from my own personal experiences.

I did spend a little time with a local "ghostbusting" group in upstate NY and granted most of things that we looked into had nothing to do with spirits...but a few things I either photographed, saw, or heard would be difficult to convince me were not spirit related.

Also so far I have not yet seen/read anything that would explain one instance that happened to me:

Sleeping in my bed in a new apartment one night I woke up after I heard what seemed to be someone talking. I walked around, found nothing. Checked on my roommate, woke her up, she hadnt noticed anything.
Went back to bed. A little bit later I felt something moving on my bed, thought it was my cat. Woke up. No cat. Just as I was falling back asleep something pulled me off the bed. My roommate heard me screaming and ran in, turned on the light and there were bruises all over my right arm.

Things like this kept happening the apartment over about six months. Doors would open, my friend woke up more than once with voices and we both had other instances of marks and bruises. We eventually packed up and left.

Anj,have you ever heard of Atonia? Your story sounds pretty scary.
Anyway,please check out this link if you dont.It might help explain a little something about that experience. http://paranormal.about.com/od/humanenigmas/a/Old-Hag-Syndrome.htm
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Thanks for your imput!

That certainly is interesting. I read through and now have to go find more lol. Its definitely interesting. I can maybe see this. At the same time, we also experienced alot of these things wide awake too.

Personally we still hold it to being some sort of spirit. Lol.

Thanks for the info though. And yea, it was freaky at the time but it did get me into more paranormal research so I cant entirely badmouth the experience.

Youre welcome.And heck no you cant.I think you're really lucky to get to do that.I hope you keep doing it.

Its just amazing to me that ,we really are beginning to get a good glimpse at this type of phenomenon and see that there is more than one cause for things that we believed,and still do,to be ghosts and such.

Anji I'd be burning the dragons blood incense sage and putting bowls of Sea Salt round the house.

We did perform several cleansings and what not at the time, granted this was eleven years ago, but nothing seemed to help. It only continued to get worse.

We informed our landlord why we were moving, being good little pagans that we are lol, and he proceeded to simply say, yea he's heard that before.

Most of the area is heavy in the paranormal history. The entire area was once a front/fort for Knox and Washington during the Revolutionary War. At one point about 7500 people were living there. Both my friend and I even worked at Knox's Headquarters and on our spare time held several "investigations" around the graveyards and the headquarters themselves. We did uncover alot of interesting photos and such for our own collections.

The town flooded severely from a fluke hurricane whiplash that same year and alot of the town is on top of unmarked graves. So when it flooded, bones and coffins were popping out of the ground and floating down the street.

It was a nice abnormal creepy place to live. lol

Did you know that graveyards,or anywhere there is a lot of decomposing organic matter magnify electromagnetics?

So much so that I tend to believe that ghost sightings in and around graveyards really might be the affects of magnetics and /or infrasound.
To be honest,the more I see and learn about it,the more I feel the phenomeons are the crux of probably 98% of all sightings.
Mel,to address your last post about the room and basement where all the stuff went down..Basements and larger rooms are notorious for trapping standing waves.
This being the case,it isnt hard to see that very possibly what we catch glimpses of are not spirits trying to haunt or contact us,but actually impressions in the Akashic record.Add on the natural affects of geomagnetics or infrasound,and evidently it sets us up for some scary ghost stories.

We have to ask ourselves,even though we might think we see them and feel them etc..., has any one of us actually HEARD one talking to us?

Actually, yes. Not coherently, but yes. I was home sick one day and was home alone (save our two dogs who were outside) watching TV. All of a sudden I heard what sounded like I was getting two different radio stations coming in at once. So I muted the TV thinking that would make it better. It only made it worse. The sound was moving across the room slowly and the closer got the louder it got. The closer it got, the more I realized it was trying to talk to me. I covered my ears and screamed as loudly as I could that I wasn't listening to it.

Sure, it was coming from the tv, so that means it wasn't super natural right? Well here's the kicker. My parents would hear it too in different parts of the house. I remember my dad calling me one day (he was really skeptical of the whole thing and just chalked it up to me watching too many horror movies) and told me that he was sitting quietly writing when all of a sudden he heard a deep voiced laughter coming from in front of him. It traveled across the room until it was loud and directly behind him. His initial reaction was the see if there was anyone behind him, but there was only the wall. And he was home alone.

My step mother would also hear things, but she would encourage it to speak in a language she could understand. She had also had a friend spend the night and the next day she would ask if my father talked in his sleep. My step mom told her no, and that if he did sleep talk, he would have had to have been screaming in order for her to hear him from where she was. (They were the only 3 people in the house that weekend).

This went on for years. Finally, my senior year of high school that something attacked me. I was getting ready for school one morning, checking my back pack. I leaned forward ever so slightly to make sure I had everything I needed when I felt something graze my back. A split second later I heard something hit my dresser. When I looked, a pad of graphing paper hit the side of the dresser and fell to the floor. That pad of paper had been under a mess of clothes I had on the floor at the opposite side of the room. Later that night I found out that my aunt (who was living with us at the time) happened to look towards our hallway that evening and saw a black shadow slowly walk to the opening of our hall, stop, turn to look at her, then continued walking until it disappeared into the darkness. This happened the night before.

Like I said before, I've experienced far too much for me to not believe in the paranormal.

What a great story Venus,thank you for sharing it.But key words for me here are "Not coherently".And thats really what Im asking about.Both infrasound and geomagnetics can cause much of what you described,as well as a couple of other things.
But again,good story,I liked it.It must have been really scary for you.

The way I see it is just because I don't understand what someone is saying or what language someone is saying something in doesn't mean what they're saying isn't real. Could the sounds my family and I experienced be pure results of infrasound manipulation? Sure. But flying pads of paper and latched doors opening by themselves?

Now, I'm the first person to try to debunk something I've experienced, but there simply was no explanation for the physical things I experienced.


And something I forgot to mention. After I left for college my father received a phone call. He didn't make it to the phone in time so no one was on the line. He got to the phone just as it stopped ringing. The voice of a little girl answered, "Hello."

He was alone in the house.

That being said, this new information on possible explanations for the paranormal is very fascinating and I wonder how many people are aware of this and how many of them take this into consideration when they are "ghost hunting."

Wow Venus, that's very close to what's been happening at the 17th century family home we have in the east coast where they had witch trials. We've had reports of furniture moved back to certain places, voices and crying.

I do know what you mean Venus ,experiencing things that I feel just couldnt be the result of something as simple as infrasound or gepmagnetics.
This is why ,while yes,I do feel that there is somethig more.I cant help but thinking that maybe many incidences really just might be results of the effects.When we hallucinate,or are "under the influence" we might not realize we might be doing things ourselves that we interpret differently at that point.

As for things like the phone call,I believe that has to do with geomagnetics also,but in an entirely different aspect which involves entrainment and all that.

The whole point of the thread is not to sit here and say it isnt all real.Because obviously,it is.
But to look at different natural aspects of what can make it real.
I just feel it might be time to consider that there is really no separation between the physics of material existence and the mechanics of a spiritual one.

I wonder... What if spirits use infrasound and geomagnetics in order to comunicate with us? What if they use it almost like their telephone?

I dunno. This is all just speculation, of course. This doesn't mean it couldn't be the other way around and these things are making us believe we're seeing and hearing spirits. I think a bit of research is in order. :)

Thats exactly what Im thinking and been driving at Venus.Im thinking geomagnetics and infrasound trigger chemicals in the pineal gland,which bring on these spiritual events.You know,like a chemical super conductor.
When you really think about it and look at the evidence,it sure points in that direction.

And you know,it even correlates with old sayings and such.I have found many things that support it.

DEFFinately needs more research! :)

funny things i had issues with phones...not saying this is what happened to above poster Venus but still its funny.

I used to pick up my phone when it would ring and i would actually be answering my neighbors phone. We figured it out after awhile. Both of us had the same model cordless phone so it used the same signal or whatnot.

Strange and unnerving at first! lol

Things would happen too. I like to carry my phone around with me when at home, off the base. And sometimes i would suddenly hear talking. I would pick it up and I could listen to my neighbors phone calls.

Same thing used to happen with my daughters baby monitor years ago. Lol

LOL oh the days of party lines ya?

And radio waves..skip and roll waves are weird too sometimes.I have known people to actually pick up radio broadcasts through their dental work..

Venus have you had the house investigated? If I were you, and had those occurrences, I'd have someone in there quickly

My dad's since moved, though he did go see somebody who told him he had 3 separate spirits following him. I don't know the credentials of the person he went to see, so I don't know if I necessarily trust their findings.

And that phone story above is pretty funny. I'm sure it must have been frustrating, but when you think about it, it's pretty funny. I never thought of phones being able to do that, but it makes sense.

It was frustrating but I laugh at it now. Lol. When it was first happening I was freaked out. Everytime I'd pick up the phone to call there'd be voices on it talking but it sounded kinda static so it was weird.

And I lost alot of sleep when similar thing happened with my baby monitor. I kept waking up when someone else's kid would cry and I'd here it! lol

We eventually had to use different frequencies on the darn thing.

I am the head empath for HPI International here in Sacramento. I have been on many investigations. Whenever we go to an over night location even if they swear there is no activity in the room I am staying we have learned to always set up a camera. There is always activity in my room. I have never seen a ghost/spirit or whatever you want to call it but I have felt some weird stuff in my day.

Personally I believe I have seen spirits. I believe every living thing has it own energy and when we die that energy is released into whatever you want to call it: ghosts, spirits whatever. Some choose to be reborn, others are weighed down for some reason or another or just like to remain.

Maybe modern age technology is just closer to "decoding" the soul. Lol. Though if you ask me it should be kept alone lol.

Or all these energy spikes/infrared/waves, be what they may be, are just the natural energy of spirits being detected.

In the end everyone has their own beliefs and no piece of technology is going to sway someone that truly, honestly thinks one thing or another.

Even if it is an interesting debate ;)

Thanks for your imput Anji,and Im glad you find it interesting.I really would rather it not be a debate persey,but instead,simply a discussion of possibilites.
Personally,if we all dont get wiped out here soon,I really do believe that science and technology will put us closer to the truth than ever.

true...then an interesting discussion it is!

And I agree. Everytime I hear a story or read an article some new technological break through Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park pops in my head whispering:

Scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, then never stopped to think whether or not they should.

Right on!!! I really believe that we have a spirit, therefore, when we die, our spirit can linger or go on to other things. I always thought that spirits and ghosts were the same, except ghosts occasionally like to play tricks on the living!

In some native american cultures it's the belief that everything even furniture have what is called a manitou, or innate spirit.

It is obvous there is something up Contessa,and ancient peoples have thought so for aeons.
There is simply no denying that.
It wasnt all that long ago that people thought lightning,and other phenomena were the product of spirits or the gods,but we now know this is not the case,and they are a natural part of our world.

It just might be true about ghost sightings too.

There is something that bothers me about the whole thing however,and that is IF we do discover that much of these things are the result of natural phenomena,would people loose hope?
In that there might not be an afterlife of some sort?

Some might. But ghosts are supposed to be spirits who for some reason or another can not move onto the next stage. Whether the next stage is Heaven, Hell or reincarnation is anyone's guess. At the same time, it might not affect other people at all. They might simply say that just because there are no ghosts does not mean that there isn't an afterlife.

Personally, I don't believe the explanation of ghosts bars the possibility of an afterlife.

Well said Venus.I agree.
It supports the notion in my book..ther is no doubt about it there is scientific data out there that in reality,supports it too.

I think a person's preference of religion or faith can also shape their belief in spirits. Or also a belief in spirits might lead one to seek other religions. Either way.

A part of my religion spirits are accepted as just another part of the natural world like storms and the like. lol

Yes,Anj,I agree that religion and faith influence what people believe.This is why I find myself concerned with what might happen if these things are found to be different than originally believed.

What's funny is that people of certain faiths, will not believe the evidence even if they experience it.

Todays society is out to prove there are reasons for everything that happens. Nothing can be unexplained (if it does then it doesnt exist). Me I prefer to believe in ghost and spirits, UFO's and aliens. It is more fun.

If there is no such things as ghost or spirits then where does the soul go when we die. The problem is one side fights for what they believe and another side spends all their time trying to prove it wrong. If we keep trying to prove that things dont exist then we will not have something to believe in.

I say let ghost be ghost.

Thats what I was asking.IF we find out ghosts are caused by infrasound or geomagnetics,or something,would people loose faith? Loose their hope?

What if it ends up that souls become part of the geomagnetic field?
And yes,thats part of our make up..we want to know about everything around us and some,you're right,wouldnt believe evidence even if there is no doubt that it shows something other than what they believe.

Oceanne then in my opinion. they'd be living electro-magnetic fields

Perhaps so Mel. I believe there is more to it than just that though.

You forgot about the others BWP..Those of us who look into scientific proof that SUPPORTS it.;)

Well Oceanne i would consider that even spiritual energies are living energies with all the mental and emotional faculties, as was in physical life.

With technical definitions are:

A SPIRIT has many differing connotations, most of them relating to a non-corporeal substance in contrast with the material body.The spirit of a living thing usually refers to or explains its consciousness.

While a ghost is defined as the spirit of a deceased person or animal which appears, in visible form or other manifestation, to the living.

I've always used the terms interchangeably too but apparently a spirit doesn't always manifest but when it does and it is seen by a living thing, then its called a ghost. Lol

It is pretty interesting tyhat people see animals...Animals arent supposed to have souls etc...

Which leads me to believe that these "ghost"s are geomagnetic impressions all the more.And that the Akashic record is very real.

Certain animals do have a sensitivity when it comes to psychic-like alert when there's supposed activity though

Key words..psychic LIKE. Mel,animals are much more sensitive than humans in hearing,smell,changes in Barometric pressure,and to piezioelectric energies.It is one of the ways I always know a storm is coming or an earthquake etc...I watch my animals.Many times people will tell of their animals barking or hissing at "nothing".Little do they realize that it isn't "nothing". ;)