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markus666
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In September, an international team of scientists led by Dr. Sergio Bertolucci reported that particles they had been firing for several years from the CERN particle accelerator in Switzerland at detectors at the OPERA facility in Gran Sasso, Italy placed about 450 miles away appeared to be arriving at their destination a fraction of a second earlier than the time it would take light to get there.

The particles, traveling through air, water, and rock, shouldn't have hit the Gran Sasso detectors any sooner than about 2.4 thousandths of a second after being fired, which is the time it would take light to travel the distance between the two points. Yet the CERN researchers reported that their neutrinos were getting to the target 64 nanoseconds faster—meaning that they were traveling faster than light, supposedly impossible according to Albert Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity.

That news sent the scientific community into an uproar, spawned breathless headlines questioning whether E still equaled MC squared, and gave new hope to anyone who has dreamt of faster-than-light travel to distant stars and planets.

The report also kick-started a movement to show that the results were somehow flawed—in short, science started doing what it's supposed to do when surprising and potentially groundbreaking results are published.

Among the possible flaws in the OPERA team's experiment pointed out by other scientists was the absence of energy loss by the neutrinos, which a pair of Boston University physicists argued would be detectable if the particles had traveled faster than light. Other scientists questioned whether the team had correctly accounted for the effects of relativity on the GPS satellites they used to measure the amount of time it took for the neutrinos to travel from point A to point B in their experiment.

Now Bertolucci and his team are in the process of re-running the experiment to see if the original results hold up, according to several news reports.

"In the last few days we have started to send a different time structure of the beam to Gran Sasso, Bertolucci said in an interview with the BBC. "This will allow Opera to repeat the measurement, removing some of the possible systematics."

Antonio Ereditato, the co-ordinator of the OPERA experiment, elaborated in a meeting at CERN that was held to discuss the results of the original experiment:

"Despite the large significance of this measurement that you have seen and the stability of the analysis, since it has a potentially great impact on physics, this motivates the continuation of our studies in order to find still-unknown systematic effects."

So, are they right or wrong??? What do you think will happen if this become real? Can Time traveler become something usual, like taking a train or plane and go back or foward in time? Was Albert Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity wrong????



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06:14:51 May 01 2012
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i dont think he was wrong i just think he didnt have the technology we have today to test his theroy and thats all it was a theroy. and if it was possible who is actually gonna be able to use it? not alot of people you know. it would be very expensive for sure. it would also allow us to travel to different universes and planets. we might even get the chance to see if there are other living creatures. it would deffently give the scientific world something large to think about. its just what they need lol :)



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Surely since science is advancing rapidly in this field the we are going to be more accurate with the findings.
Given that Einstein wrote up his thesis nearly a hundred years ago and to be out by a nano or two is still very impressive.



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There was a very similar thread a few months ago.

https://www.vampirerave.com/forum/message.php?message=107708&group=1&catid=1

Not only was the "discovery" false the leaders of the team have resigned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly_(OPERA_experiment)

http://news.discovery.com/space/opera-leaders-resign-after-no-confidence-vote-120404.html

On a personal note, maybe a bit of research beforehand will give you the answer.



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That will be me next month TT road race on the Isle of man next month LOL


very good thread but i don't think we will ever travel faster than light as time slows or even bends
I will put this question at my astronomy club next week



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Interesting idea, but I'm afraid I agree somewhat with the critics and also with the idea that Einstein was most likely correct, he just lacked the tools we have and had considerable, and understandable, room for error.

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Einstein had to be right, but at the same time even the speed of light isn't that fast at all.



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Xzavier is correct. if i recall correctly, something in the equation wasnt accounted for, or there was a computer glitch (and yes...im just too damn lazy just now to look it up lol).

point being 300,000 kilometers/ second....not just a good idea.....it continues to be the law! lol
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03:25:39 May 14 2012
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Time isn't the same at every place. It varies based on gravity.

So, I'd like to know the specific gravitational pull of each location.



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I would imagine they've figured that in if need be, kinda science 101. Besides, no matter where or how much (or little) gravity there is the speed of light is always the same. That's why it's called a constant. Any changes are only perceived, they're relative to the observer.

Light is moving at 186,000 mph and yet it may take 1,000 years for the light in the core of the Sun to reach the edge. Why? Because its bouncing around from particle to particle at 186k mph.

Also, the changes in gravity at sea level and say 10,000 feet up a mountain are incredibly tiny. You can do a search for a gravitational map of the Earth if you'd like.



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a subtle hint : it a theory and that generally means they are just guessing and untill someone can disprove it it stands...sigh


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