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xtroublex
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Dont you ever wonder if anyone else really exists or if life is all a dream? If this is like a computer game or something?




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When I was younger I had this fixation that I was actually another little girl in a coma, and this was all a fabrication made by my repressed mind. I used to try to get myself to wake up and get in touch with that other girl to make her life better. Mind you, I was only about seven or eight...



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who knows?

it's a simple as that. this is the only reality we know... so why question it? why not just live out this reality because there is no alternative



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I was walking down the street and i began thinking of i was imagining this all. It disturbed me, mainly because i got so involved with the theory.



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ive thought about that before, likes this is all just a big dream and i will wake up and things would be different. But now that i think about it and grow more as a person I realize that its not a dream this is reality or something like that i dont know sorry if i dont make sence



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but that's the thing. we only have thoughts about these things. we can't and probably won't ever find out if there are other realities... or if this is all a dream, or completely fake until it is proven. so why bother pondering because we aren't likely to be shown any time soon



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there are manny times i wounder my self if this reality that we have so far is real or not, weather or not its just a dream. but hey one thing that i do now is that the imagination is one powerfull thing and well some times people live in there own reality no matter what. i would like to belive that yes this is the reality that we are liveing and the truth to life after death is that there are more than one time to go arround. its just that the next time that we go arround in our lives is that we are supposed to learn some thing more while we retain the memories of what we had lived in our sub consious mind. after all there is a really good book that you all might want to read; manny lives manny masters.



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xtroublex
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Maybe, its bugging me.



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It could be Like the Camera Affect thing. i get that alot, where i feel like im watching everything through a camera and things feel fake at times and what not...



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yeah..me and a few freinds disscus and try and figure out what is real... at one stage we had a theorry that only pain was real untill, we figured out pain is a message sent to your brain from the nerves, therfore pain is a part of the mind. also things like love, they are imotions that are also a part of your brain....and dreams, they are just parts of your amagination that exist when u sleep, so my question is what is real? i have tried alot of things to test and see what is real, and so far, nothing can answer my question...this puzzles me and i think about this alot..nothing seems to be real, matrix is a good example of this when he goes on to tlk about does chicken taste like chicken or is it just your mind that tells you that this is the flavour (sumthing like that). this is a very interesting topic.



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well if you look at this from a physics stand point we are mostly nothing to begin with and the further you split us down the more nothing there is....

so it's simple really we already are mostly nothing why worry about if we just happen to be a figment ontop of it all.....

sides even if we are illusionary we still laugh and cry....

the substance of ones life isn't the matter that makes up ones body, but the content and character of ones personality....



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that is very true hate666 about the pain and everything else i too have talked to friends and my old psychology teacher about similar things. it is very hard to determine whats real and whats not.



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xtroublex
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Its like one long film. At the end we all die.



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re·al·i·ty (r-l-t)
n.

The quality or state of being actual or true.
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
That which exists objectively and in fact.


Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary


reality

n 1: all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were" [syn: world] 2: the state of being actual or real; "the reality of his situation slowly dawned on him" [syn: realness, realism] [ant: unreality] 3: the state of the world as it really is rather than as you might want it to be; "businessmen have to face harsh realities" 4: the quality possessed by something that is real [ant: unreality]

There are two models that construct reality-- objectivism and constructivism.

Objectivism assumes that there is a separate reality independent from the observer of that reality. Meaning, when you look at a chair, what you see exists out there in the word, independent of you. The chair would be the same whether or not you are looking at it. Based on this assumption, proponents of this model suggest that the task of science is to deliver reality.

Constructivists, on the other hand, hold that there is no separate reality. The chair that exists when you look at it is somehow different than the chair that exists when you are not gazing at it. Allow the possibility that such an interactive reality may exist. If we are somehow involved in the reality that we experience, then it makes sense that proponents of this model are not seeking to discover this reality, but to invent it.


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if the task is to invent reality, then it iis no wonder that constructivists value usefulness, not just the truth. It is not that constructivists devalue the truth, but rather that they view the truth as relative., constantly changing, depending on the frame of reference of the observer.


this might serve as a useful example:

consider the fact that eyewitness accounts of strangers that viewed a crime scene or a car accident typically vary considerably. Why is this? Perhaps because each witness' account is greatly influence by his/her own biases, expectations, memory abilities, and perceptual acuity. Numerous research studies have indicated that reports of eyewitnesses have been distorded or unreliable.

my conclusion? we create our own reality.



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very true vampric666(think i got that right if not im sorry) maybe we're just one really long movie to entertain god or some higher being...



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Nice guys finish last, bad guys do the same. You cant win, eventually we're all gonna die. Why? Existence seems pointless. Are we dieing to live, or living to die?



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My dreams are far more realistic than my life is. I live my dreams and i dream my life.
That's what my reality is.



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xtroublex
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Perhaps our dreams our reality and reality is in fact our dreams?



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all my dreams happen at one point. maybe dreams are our really lives and lives are our really dreams??? does that make since?



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lol we thought the same thing but yeah maybe it is that.



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i do it makes my hit myself to see if this is real



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xtroublex
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The dream thing is good lenore, we're on the same wave length here.



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thanx its good to know im not the only one thinking that



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xtroublex
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I love things like this.



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this is a really good thread it makes u think and thats good and its nice to see what others think and it helps u to understand more



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xtroublex
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Most people think i'm crazy



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cogito ergo sum...
i think therefore i am...
1st step of rene descartes to prove anything exists...
that's in 'metaphisic meditation' (not sure of the translation) "les meditations metaphysiques"...



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that was some good info Deity
i was slighty worried about that just a 3 hours ago, this guy that likes to bug the living hell out of me every single day has been gone for over a week or so now. so i was kinda worried that i was imagining this and well everything could make perfect sense under that theroy especialy since i have before.
then i decided that i will just enjoy it, figment or not, i am happier now.

maybe God is just thinking all of us and is allowing insainty to take over, living things, and what not being each a bit of His insainty.
but as Gorey said, if i remember right. how knows, it can't be proven, just enjoy life.
but i must admit it is fun to come up with theories



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im glad it was useful to you, sweets



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in relation to the dream theory, if i don't dream that often, or that often that i can remember, then may i be in a coma in my dreams which may in fact be my reality, while in this reality which may be my dreams, i stay awake for longer and longer periods of time¿

*shrugs* my head hurts



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thats interesting triad(i think i got that right), the coma thing. hmmm. i need to think about this more but not right now my head hurts and i have homework, but i will try and get back to u.



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I've thought some of these same things from time to time. Sometimes i'll just think is this reality really real or am i just imagining it.



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My god I think of that all the time.
Sometimes I'll look at someone while they're talking to me and I'll know them well but for a moment they seem like they're not real. or that they're strangers. Sometimes I feel like I'm not real. It's odd.



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it's my bad dreams that makes me want to come back to 'this' reality.
reality to me is when we hunger and feel pain.



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reality isn't a question, it simply is.. reality is what you make it

to paraphrase
'I think therefor I am'



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true so if i think crazywolf is my boyfriend, then it must be reality! hee hee



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What about people who are supposedly vegetables? Who have no actual "thought" how do they exist? or are scientists being arrogent again in saying they cannot think any longer. Hmm. I don't know what I think.



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those people that are vegitables still think and have thoughts they simply no longer have the means to interact with the world in a physical sence, doctors/scientists ect.. are smiply being arrogant because they don't know.. they lack understanding



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i think like that all the time.i also thought maybe we are all just puppets on stings being controled by someone and there is an audience watching us mess up our lives and do stupid stuff..its crazy



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There are people who would say differently. As everything is, it's all a matter of opinion. I'm not talking about people in comas. Whatever I won't go into explaining I don't have the patience or time. But reality is a form of opinion. You can never truly say it is there or it isnt.



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isn't questioning reality admitting to a reality?



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Hmm, it would seem like it.



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xtroublex
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Mabe reality is whatever you make it, it seems we all have out views on it and most of them are so differant then the other.



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true reality is what ever you make it out to be, everyones reality is different because we are different although we have some similarties



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Every now and again gotta admit lol but I grew up :)



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xtroublex
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So we're all immature?



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I still stand by my opinion that it doesn't matter what reality is. As long as we think for ourselves and live.



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this reminds me of my previous poll question....are dreams just another form of reality...
the point I was making there is when you dream....is that the actual reality....and this the dream state......or are both reality...just in sleightly differing form?
kept planning to put in a forum on this.....but this is already here so here it is
any takers?



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I lve reality, however it looks like. For a half year I have been living like an unreal life, cos Iva been sick qand now Im glad for every second of my life I feel real. Thats why I cant use drungs or whatever. I hate that unreal steta of mind.



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Hell.....sometimes I wish this was all a dream and someone would just wake up. Samething every day over and over like a nightmare. Maybe I need help.....lol



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You always need help deepredblood... lol :P



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who knows
Maybe we are all controlled by some person that likes to torture our souls I think maybe it's a game oh well enjoy the ride..



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Reality, is the second past, the second now and the second after....



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Thanks MistressofBeltainne, I have my stray jacket coming in the mail in a few days. Order now while supply last.......lol



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mmmmm yes



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Life is a fib.. its all a fib! an unreal reality and I don't really have to pass my exams in June! YAY!



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LOL Emmy...that would be absolutely lovely if it was all a fib...id pass on taking my exams as well...

*thinks*


oh how lovely that would be.....such a weight off my shoulders.


oh well...we can all dream can we???


can i have the red pill please? LOL



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Your reality is what you make it ..

Have you ever walked past that bum on the street corner and he's mumbling to him self about the second world coming. Or talked to someone who's lost a child, and they talk as if the child is still alive. Or how about the kid going through that they deem as hell on earth in their eyes, but in your eyes it's mearly them going through a phase of “I hate life, I hate mom and dad, I hate school, I hate myself” ...

What you're reality you see, is not the same as what others see, so basically WE make our own reality, good or bad.



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Thera
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Dami, I agree. Its true cos as everyone has different mind and soul than he also sees the reality his own way.



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xtroublex
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I've just confused myself.



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this subject can go on and on and on...


its all based on personal opinion.



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xtroublex
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Ok, can someone close this thread now?



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when it comes to opinions, no conclusion is drawn on a subject. The relevance of the thread lays on the different perspective aquired with each comment.

aww, come on...dont be party poopers.

*sniffle*



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xtroublex
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Well as long as every one else got something outta it. Guess thats all that matters.



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i feel like life is always a dream and that ill wake up someday to find things different than they seem as it is im screwed up anyway lol



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xtroublex
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23:59:01 Mar 13 2005
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If your screwed up for replying, think how screwed up i am for posting this thread.



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01:31:45 Mar 14 2005
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i think that i thought, that i thought that i think.
(because i could)



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oddgrl666
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04:56:42 Mar 14 2005
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sometimes i do wounder if we are all imaginary or we are all programed like as if we are characters in a sims game or something. Or that maybe we are like the end of the first Men in Black, the "aliens" control wat the planets do and what happens to the people on those planets. But who really knows and who will ever know the answers to these problems.



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xtroublex
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21:27:08 Mar 14 2005
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Reality is weird.



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lenoresprettycorpse
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00:11:28 Mar 15 2005
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Yeah Reality is odd, I think its one of those things that we are not meant to understand maybe. and yet we as humans keep trying to understand things. we need to grow and learn things in order to surive. We need to Evolve(sp?) so we dont die out its part of nature. every thing is a part of nature in some form or another



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