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UMBRAxDExVIR
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What will it take for people to stop judging
others so harshly about there beliefs.
I mean this is a vampire site its funny how some say there is no evidence that we are real...well let me put it this way...
vampires or vampyres are one of the oldest things ever recorded in history,
or shall i say vampyric like beings,
who are you to say some one needs a reality check? that is what the site is here for to separate the fact from fiction...
we are who and what we are like it or not.
we are here to stay...


sorry about the rant but its how I feel.

please let us know what you think




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hear hear



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i concur. blood is easily as drinkable as water to me. and vampires are NOT products of God-fearing churches, as much as they'd like to take credit for it.



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I totally agree.

Also I get called wannabe vampire cause of my belifs,rumor is I never said I am a vampire.

Still I make fun of the posers,cause some people are cheesy.



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As far as the whole idea of " Vampires don't exist", Well, I exist, nuff said.
As far as the whole Undead rising from the grave, crosses, draning bodies dry shit. It seems to be cases that have been overblown by ignorant and superstitious people (and exploited by the church for their own purposes)
Here's a bit from my own research into the subject

Do Vampires still exist? Yes, but not as you think. There are living vampires. People who look like you or me who have a physical or psychological need to consume blood or energy. Over the years various organizations have come together to try to help, teach, and organize the society. There are guidelines for the community, known as the Long Black Veil. There is a Lexicon of terms used frequently among vamps, and it expands frequently. I’m still working on a comprehensive version of these terms for a glossary.
There are different theories on where vampires come from. Some sources say that the vampire trait is part of the individual's DNA; they liken this genetic difference to a viral imperfection of some kind. In this way, it is said that a vampire can make others of his kind if a blood exchange is passed between him and his "victim"; the person will ingest the virus and slowly take on the characteristics of a vampire. Others say that the vampire trait is inherited, and that a vampire cannot make another of his kind. One particularly interesting theory is that of the "psi" vampire; this is the soul of a vampire that cannot accept the fact that his physical form is dead, and the soul invades the body of an infant at birth, therefore giving the vampire a new physical form. Thus, the child will grow up as a vampire, although he will probably not remember what happened to him. It is thought that psi vamps go through many bodies, and therefore have many vague memories of past lives. For reasons they cannot explain (because they usually have no immediate recollection of their other "lives"), they feel like an "old soul." As a child, the young vampire usually develops more rapidly than a normal human, either mentally, physically, or both. They are usually more intelligent than their peers as well. They are usually creative children, with a love of the arts and a thirst for knowledge.
Is it possible that the undead existed in the past ?
Once again I cannot prove or disprove that theory. I have evidence from both sides to examine, such as historical accounts in various countries. My theory is that the undead may very well have existed in the past, but once realizing that they were to be hunted down the numbers became thin. When such things happen in nature, animals adapt to their surroundings. So no undead, not as far as I can find. There will always be your fakes, imposters who claim to be 400 years old or something of that nature. They are usually people who need attention or Psychologically unbalanced.
In this area, lets assume that vampirism is possible, 2 questions must be asked. Is it possible that Vampirism is a viral condition, and how is it spread?

Is vampirism real? For years, doctors have claimed that a group of diseases known as porphyrias. Various symptoms of which include but are not limited to extreme photosensitivity, the gums pulling away from the teeth (making the canines look larger), and a craving for blood. People who suffer from these diseases are 100% human, but suffer from a rare disease. The root of the problem is that those who suffer from porphyria do not produce a protein known as P450, which is essential to production of heme in the liver (the liver, of course, producing hemoglobin). In Europe of years past, it was not unknown for the royals to intermarry. Thus spreading the disease to their heirs. It is a recessive trait, a rare genetic disorder. It is hardly seen today. But due to the symptoms included, one can see why this could have lead to the belief in vampires. In fact, the old saying about garlic may have something to do with porphyria. Garlic is known to aggravate the symptoms associated with the disease.

With that aside, rumors over the years have been of a virus known as V5.
I have also include a section on vampire hunters. To me they seem to do more harm than good, and at best are annoying pains in the ass. They seems to follow in four categories, the Religious Hunter, the Buffy, Blade, and Role Players (usually kids, not a real threat) , the revenge hunter, and vamps hunting vamps. Some are just after the undead vampires, not sanguinarians. Others will hunt undead, sanguinarians, psy-vamps, and anyone they associate with. Some have even gone after those in the gothic community. They don’t advertize their services online, at least not the real ones. It depends on where you are and what is the local atmosphere.
Religious Hunters can be some of the most dangerous, and just about any court of law would find these individuals insane. They hold a deep seated belief that “God” has told them to kill Vampires, Demons, Evil Doers, etc. They won’t stop unless locked up in a psych ward or dead. They tend to go after anything they think is a demon, including goths. They can be dealt with, usually
by informing law enforcement.
The Buffy syndrome is usually some young teenage girl who has watched too many episodes of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”. I admit, It’s a cute show, but nothing to base life decisions on.
Vamps hunting Vamps, or the Blade Syndrome (as I call it) seems to be a private matter between the Vamp community. Sometimes they are sent out to kill rogue vamps (those who have broken some law in their eyes). Incidents such as this are rare. If they happen, I don’t hear of them. The Blade movie/ comic series has made this a popular theme.
Role players are just that, players. Some get a little too wound up in the gaming world and loose touch with reality. This is only a small number of gamers, most are law abiding, functional citizens. This kind is usually harmless.

V5 Virus

I’ll admit, at this point in time my knowledge of this type is rather limited. At best, I have a theory. I don’t have access to an electron microscope to prove or disprove anything I say here. Form your own opinion.
My theory is that since so many stories of Vampires have transcended culture, and geography, that the myth may have some truth to it. The undead may have existed in the ancient past, but as like any animal that is threatened with extinction, somehow it adapted. Or the bloodlines have become so thin over the years, that Vampires are not susceptible to such things that have gone into superstition (garlic, crosses, stake through the heart, that would kill anyone). That Vampirism is in fact a virus. Some in the Vampire community have called it V5. I suggest that it is a virus due to the fact that up until now it has gone undetected. Virus components tend to be so small that it would take a high powered electron microscope to find and detect them.
Vampires of today are mostly human, but still have the thirst for blood or energy. I have no evidence to suggest that they have any special powers, no super human strength or things of that nature. They have a physical, or psychological need to consume blood or energy. I’ve had no volunteers to test this theory, doubtful I ever will.
Is there a cure? Well, no since this has yet to be diagnosed as a disorder. It took years to find a treatment for HIV / AIDS, at best we have anti viral drugs to control the disease. I don’t know if there ever will be a cure. There’s not enough of a demand (a.k.a. Money) for the drug companies to bother.


Sorry for the long post, but I'd assume some people would want the info.



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UMBRAxDExVIR
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wow love you d



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We all know what we are... Don't let the words of humans dampen your spirit... They are creatures who do not see as we do... Let them live the way they want and we shall live as we wish...



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UMBRAxDExVIR
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02:05:31 Sep 07 2005
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Amen



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LadyAmandaofNoctemAeternus
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02:07:19 Sep 07 2005
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I agree whole heartedly m'lord



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02:26:06 Sep 07 2005
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~w00t~! good job...



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This is mostly a response to the idea that vampires don't exist- you can do the same thing with religion too, but the idea that there may or may not be a God is more accepted than vampires. In my opinion they are quite equal in probability, because if theres a God, surely there must be vampires, demons, Hell, werewolves, angels, etc. As to the fabled vampire that can seduce anybody and transform into a bat or when they hit somebody the person goes flying 50 or so feet is perposterous. Really a vampire can be anybody and anything. People who free load off others could be considered a vampire, because they are by definition leeching off of somebody else.

While I'm on the subject on the whole mainstream belief system, lets look at the concept of "hip". "Hip" just means that the majority likes something (who knows how the majority could be influenced with subliminal messages and all that) and will follow the latest trend to death (not all people are like this, but there is a portion of Western culture that will eat whatever is thrown at them) and never be themselves truly in fear of not being "hip" or "mainsteam", and the term of "mainstream is a lot like the concepts of good and evil, of how they are all relative to the individual's perception of what they concieve to be reality.

Thanks for reading all of that.



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Morrigon
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Everything can exist or not exist, who is anyone to say that something is not possible. Lets leave that to the ignorant fools.



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Excellent info Ravencadwell. I'm just begining to learn, but I can tell you this: When other people's emotions affect me to the point of vomit, that's pretty real.
When I can sense other peoples emotions and when making them feel better makes me go almost hyper, that's pretty real too. When a person complains and complains while I try to figure a solution that never seems to solve the problem, the other person keeps complaing to someone else and i feel wasted, that's pretty real too. I'm highly photosensitive, and I do feel more awake at night. Does that make a vampire out of me? I don't know. But I can't say it doesen't either.
I believe that if we keep an open mind, things are easyer to understand, or atleast we tryed and didn't judge anyone in the process. This is my goal, and my message to those who say that "there is no such thing as vampires"



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first and foremost, we have no right to judge others whether they be vampire or not, religious or not, sane or not... we are all unique and we have our own "standards" that have either been handed down to us by our families or acquired in the growth process (emotional, physical and hopefully mental too) *LOL*

what works for us may not work for others and vice versa... besides, what is the "normal" anyway except an "idea" of what the "majority" think of?

my advice to all would be respect people no matter how different they be from you... you might learn something from them... as for those people who try to put you down, don't mind them.. be the "grown up" person who "understands" them since they cannot understand you.



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02:54:49 Sep 07 2005
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I think vampiress hit the nail on the head(no pun intended)



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02:57:23 Sep 07 2005
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i aggree with u 200%. but i dont think ppl will ever stop doing that. they just dont understand us



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UMBRAxDExVIR
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03:03:15 Sep 07 2005
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my sister you are 1000% right thats why in the pillars of my house it says just that ... let people be what and who they are



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PiNkLuSt
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Sorry but I still think that some of you have some screws loose...c'mon now who in here really needs to consume blood to survive in here?! And this turning others into vampires?? Sounds like fantasy to me...



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~gives Pinky a hug~

You go girl ;)



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PiNkLuSt
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If someone could give me some actual physical evidence proving that you indeed are a vampire show it to me and I'll believe it only then! I'm not judging I just don't believe in something if I can't see it or feel it.



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well there are vampires in the sense that people prey on people...not that it's a good thing. but it's true a vampire with supernatural abilities is a bit far-fetched.



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Empress
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I'm with you both on this.



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I have to agree with PiNkLuSt. Screws loose. But if anyone cares to get some facts straight....

http://www.vampiretemple.com/



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Empress
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It would be a very worthy debate but people that really think that they are vampires get all upset and won't speak with their mind and just with their heart.
Or maybe they do think and speak with their mind and just have some serious problems upstairs regarding the fine line between reality and fantasy.



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PiNkLuSt
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Is this thread directed at me, becuase of that one journal entry?!



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UMBRAxDExVIR
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03:45:10 Sep 07 2005
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no pink its not



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LordOfNoctemAeternus i totally agree with you on that one hun. but some people in this world are just stupid. arrogant and like to be asses. plain and simple =)



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PiNkLuSt
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Ok then...



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PiNkLuSt
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The way you said it in your post Pete, made it kinda seem that way...



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Empress
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LOL@Pink :)



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Ok, one, if this is supposed to be a database, the point of a database is to seperate fact from fiction... two, as far as vamps that fly and shape shift and are immortal, that is bull shit. But there are things of a dark nature that do exist whether you see them or not.... since before prerecorded religion, vampires have been found throughout the world in EVERY culture. If they were not real how could every culture have the same discreption of being such as vampires/vampyres... if you are gonna talk and say that they do not exist, and put people down, at least do your research... Not fictional beings that are embellished such as Dracula. True vampyres do exist even though some decide to stay in the shadows because of small minded individuals who can NEVER understand the true wonder and beauty of this world... but there are others who reach out to try and teach and learn more about who and what they are.
Yours Truely,
Ryu
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PiNkLuSt
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Like I said...I need proof!



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TearsOfArakiel
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If you scream and no one hears you, does that mean you didn't sceam at all?



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Empress
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This is a little diffy from that.
We can go on and on about leperchauns and goblins and even jello.



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PiNkLuSt
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Hey it's just my opinion like it or not...I've got an open mind, but there are just some things I find hard to believe without proof.



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UMBRAxDExVIR
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04:32:23 Sep 07 2005
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I ask you this once , Please do not call me by my first name here thank you....



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Very interesting on both sides...I do believe I am a vampire....but I dont get all testy about it when challenged..As for shapeshifting,inability to cross water, crosees, garlic, and lflying go...now thats crap



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Empress
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But it's ok that you use my name all the time Pete?
I'm just not shy of mine.

Lets get back to the topic Petey.

LOVE BRANDY :)



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Empress
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What is a vampire 2 you...so we can understand where you are coming from?



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If you are of a dissenting opinion, then put forth your opinion in a logical and rational way.

Threads that degrade into base emotional reactions will be closed. Bickering will not be tolerated.



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