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Can psy vampires really go to somebody by pyschic projection?

Of course.. it is almost like astral travel.

Yes they can. Psychic vampyres have the ability to astral travel to random people and take energy from them.

There has been no research, or experimentation presented by those who claim that such things can be done. The only offering is anecdotal evidence, and unsupported claims.

However, regarding the subject of astral projection The Magazine for Skeptical Inquiry posted an article about research conducted by a university, they gathered three prominent subjects that claimed to be able to astral travel. The research, took the form of an experiment, the participants where put in three separate rooms to sleep, in a central room a chalk board was placed with a message written on it. All the subjects where wired to monitors as well.

The results showed negative support for astral travel (not one submitted a guess, let alone the correct answer) in fact two subjects claimed that they saw the board, but could not read the writing.

So the experiment was run a second time, using three items. Same results, zero guesses, and no correct answers.

In a footnote to the experiment it was noted that one subject outright attempted to bribe an intern into revealing the writing on the board.

Yes, psy vamps are capable of projecting themselves to others.

In 1970 the CIA working with the Department of Defense reportedly began their own then-undercover research program into astral projection. They called it remote viewing and were interested in it as a possible means to surreptitiously obtain information from enemies and engage in psychic warfare. The name of the remote viewing program was originally SCANATE (standing for Scan by Coordinate). According to those involved in the project, Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff headed up the research team at Stanford Research Institute. The organization that began as SCANATE became PSI TECH in 1989, and moved into the private sector but continues to be run by former military members who were involved with it when it was still under the auspices of the DOD. In November 1991 the Associated Press reported PSI TECH was engaged by the UN to help find possible biological weapons in Iraq.

So if astral wasn't legit, why does our government believe it is, and use people who are obviously studied apon that are apparently qualified in this area to help them on missions?

It doesn't make them astral/psychic vampires, but then again, it's very similiar.

If we are going to look at facts, we should be sure to look around for ALL information that's available and not assume that NO information that's not readily available on the NET, isn't available somewhere else....

Actually after spending money to research remote viewing the government hired a team to study the progress of the research and the finding showed nothing outstanding, or remarkable. The program was dismantled, and the researchers remained unaccredited.

Here's more info.
http://skepdic.com/remotevw.html

It is also important to note that astral travel, is not associated with Remote Viewing, the person "Viewing" is not asleep, or in an altered state.

"Remote viewing (RV) is a fancy name for telepathy or clairvoyance, the alleged psychic ability to perceive places, persons, and actions that are not within the range of the senses.

The term seems to have been invented by physicist Dr. Russell Targ and physicist/scientologist Dr. Harold Puthoff to describe their work with alleged psychics for the U.S. government in a project known as Star Gate.

If the remote viewer gets messages of a site from a person who is at the site looking around, then it would be telepathy. If the remote viewer gets messages of a site by "perceiving" the site psychically, then it would be clairvoyance. (If the viewer gets impressions of the site from the future, then it would be precognition. If he gets impressions from someone who viewed the site in the past, then it is retrocognition. If he gets messages from the akashic record or the 11th dimension, or directly from some god, then another explanation is needed.)"

Lmao dabbler a skeptic that takes the word of a fashious government known for lieing as truth. but the info is correct that was there official oppinion. that makes me wonder what happened to those scientist when the projects where disbanned shheeeesh more stuff to reasearch.
Now back on topic I have found it to be so I have been woken out of my sleep by a mate in trouble as if they were in the room with me as well as seen things the ones i'm connected to see. Students have claimed they could feel my pressence at times when they are heavy on my mind so much so i had one text me I'm Ok once just befor I was about to text them and ask how they were. coincidence maybe doubt if we will ever know scientificaly. but whos to say science has a clue i grew up thinking pluto was a planet because scientist said so but now they say its not. kinda like saying oopse your guess is as good as mine and in that case i'll stick with my guess yours dont have the best track record.

I agree, the government only lets you know what they want you to, same way with science and medicine, why do you think there are so many law suits on medications and stuff? someone wanted to make money and only released the good parts of an experiment so they could sell it.

They shure can.
but, like many will tell you(sence they are not vamp)
that its not prooven or dosent exsist..and give you
facts knowen to science. Cause that's all they have.
your best bet, is to ask a real psi vamp.
cause it's like asking a cat how a dog barks.
You don't know unless your a dog,you cant ask
cats that kind of question.LOL.

Those that scoff science, and established research that discredits, or debunks alleged psychic abilities would be the first to embrace any declaration made by science, or established research supporting alleged abilities.

It was not the researchers that failed, it was those who made the claims that failed to produce results.

Oh, and the correct spelling is -fascist-

you ever think that maybe psy vamps have feelings and their own personal bubble and don't want to be scientifically exploited and dissected with all their cruel tests? They'd be treated like a freak of nature and less of a human being so maybe that's why they refused to do it. Maybe they foresaw what would happen and decided it would be better if they didn't?

I wouldn't say it's people scoffing science but rather people scoffing at others who have experience in the area, but are still being denied, and even with proof would more than likely still be denied in some form or another because someone can't ever be satisfied that something may exist outside of their scientific "boxes" because they can't grasp that just because there's no evidence on paper or video or something physical in your face, must mean...it's not true or valid, which in itself is a flaw in judgement.

That made absolutely no sense Kitra. Even believers would agree that seeing is believing. So it is only rational to not accept what is not demonstrated, or supported by research. Skeptics are people who simply have not seen anything that sufficiently demonstrates a claim. So to expect a person to simply accept something without experiencing it is irrational. To clutter ones mind with every extraordinary claim is a sign of nativity.

"you ever think that maybe psy vamps have feelings and their own personal bubble and don't want to be scientifically exploited and dissected with all their cruel tests? They'd be treated like a freak of nature and less of a human being so maybe that's why they refused to do it. Maybe they foresaw what would happen and decided it would be better if they didn't?"

So what your saying, or implying is that people who make such claims are not competent, or resourceful enough to conduct their own research, and experiments?

It's not about whether something extraordinary exist as claimed, it is about what supports the extraordinary claim.

Oh it makes sense Dabbler just not to you because you're not a psychic type, oh and if you don't mind, stop with the insulting nonsense.

For the record Dabbler, the only information that you can provide is whatever you can find on the net. You don't have anything else to offer here. Whoever starts these threads, are for all people to offer their own experiences or advice. It's not really for someone to come pick it apart and make someone else's advice or personal experiences seem false as you constantly put out here simply because you have nothing else to say or jealous of the fact maybe other people have these experiences and you don't. Whatever the case is, all you do is make other people who have something to say or share, who isn't LIKE YOU mentally, must be delusional. You'd be surprised just how much people have in common in this area and personal experiences which are usually NOT alike but if you aren't going to be open to the idea, then what is the point of your ranting and trying to get other people to feel degraded in things they say? It's ridiculous. Maybe you're the one that feels left out here and is there a problem that you have that you can't allow someone to express their side of things without you jumping their s**t?

Once again I am having a difficult time reading, and processing your post. Take a deep breath, focus, and type it out with thought. In a conversation it is important to relate ones thoughts as clearly as possible.

I'm sorry you have the inability to read English Dabbler and because of your ridiculousness, i've decided, i'm better off without dealing with people like you. Ciao.

some things are meant to stay hidden and not go main stream. Maybe people with psychic abilites don't want to do tests to make it main stream because there is always that unethical scientist out there that will recreate their experiiment and abuse and exploit people

if things like this were meant to go main stream then there wouldn't have to be a Dark Network because all this type of stuff would be open for free discussion on Facebook and Twitter

It was mentioned I think in Dracula with Gary Oldman, (One of my favourite actors), they have an ability to create a psychic bond.

very true kurly every person throughout history who has demonstrated abilities to humans have been hunted and killed for them guess thats a pretty good incentive to keep your gifts to yourself.

I was looking at this thread from a fictitious point of view, I do not consider myself to be anymore gifted than the next person. If asked to demonstrate a special ability I would be lacking in that department. That is not to say Im not open to the idea of it, and enjoy hearing people's personal experiences, whether or not I believe it is another matter. :)

I would also like to point out that the consumer market in the areas of this subject is so vast that it pays for people to believe, and also to disbelieve. Of course that can be said of anything that is working outside of reality, e.g the supernatural, religion and so on. :)

i used to be able to remote view and cane read the past off objects.i got a visit from a psi vampire once.no i was not asleep.i wish shed come back

interesting cat my grandmother also possed that ability I remember growing up in her parlor where she did readings it always amazed me. I have had occurances of it but it doesn't seem to be my main gift.

I have read cards in the past, it was all the rage at one point. I came to the conclusion that the mind has an incredible ability to document everything about a person from a gesture, a smell even down to how a word is pronounced, enabling a person of the right intelligence with information, to accurately tell them about themselves, by asking very little.

Its possible that people use objects to channel their own thought process into a constructive order, and then apply the information that they had sub consciously stored. :)

I think that a mistake that is being made here lies in trying to apply the scientific method to something that is outside of the realm of science. Some scientific methods can be used in disseminating the question at hand (can psy vamps project themselves to feed?), but to expect results in a lab style setting is unrealistic. The very nature of the supernatural and the paranormal is that they operate outside of the quantifiable.

However, some scientifically honed skill sets can be used in the search for truth in these matters. When it comes to answering whether or not psy vamps can project themselves, in whatever way, in order to feed, the first source of information that we can look to are the first hand accounts of the victims of such feedings.

Would not eye witness accounts be considered more reliable than the psychic vampire who claims they can do this? Yes, they would be more reliable, initially at least, because there are always going to be people who claim that they can do things that they cannot in fact do. The eye witness statements and accounts however do not aggrandize the witness, as they open themselves up to ridicule by the scientifically minded society that doubts the existence of such phenomena in the first place. In short, the eye witnesses have little to nothing to gain by lying about their experiences.

From this point we can look to the sheer number of reports of such attacks as a type of proof in and of itself because the accounts of these encounters have very little variance in their overall themes, despite geographical distance, cultural differences and in that these account remain eerily similar throughout the history of the records of these accounts.

For example, take the reports of so-called "Hag Attacks", which bear all of the hallmarks of attacks by many substrata of vampire, like the succubus/incubus, psychic vampire, etc. See Michelle Belenger's books, particularly her book "Psychic Dreamwalking". Also worth reading is the book called "Vampires:The Occult Truth" by Kanstantinos. These types of psychic vampire "astral attacks" are examined in those books and are compared to similar accounts of creatures called by different names across the world and through out history.

Gather the information, examine it as objectively as you can and then make your own personal judgements about what you do or do not believe, as everyone is entitled to their own opinions. (stepping off of my soap box now)

I do not consider anything to be outside the realm of science, research and factual information go hand in hand in all areas, to prove or disprove something. This provides the foundation for reliable consideration. To go on word of mouth is all very good to a certain extentent, it is important to listen to peoples personal experiences and keep an open and optimistic mind and approach, when incorporating that type of information but then it is necessary for a considered approach to be taken, to establish fact from fiction. Whether this is done in a controlled environment or not is not the question its how the information is recorded and then disseminated and to whome it is accredited with, which provides the substance of reliable and credible evidence.

:)

science has its limitations.humans dont have infinate abilitys to resolve things,we are limited beings,not infinate ones with our own faults and limitations.we can never really grasp the infinate as we are not infinate ourselves.which why a human utopia is impossibe as humans are by nature imperfect.

That is a very accurate statement. Science does have its limitations in that regard, but through extensive research and development over time breakthroughs and discoveries are made, resolving issues which were once considered abnormal or unexplainable. :)

As far as "Hag Attacks" being associated with psy experiences, it has been debunked. The medical condition is Sleep Paralysis, I have personally suffered this as a child. The psy vamp community adopted it out of convenience to promote their biased conclusion.

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Sleep paralysis is a phenomenon in which people, either when falling asleep or wakening, temporarily experience an inability to move. More formally, it is a transition state between wakefulness and rest characterized by complete muscle atonia (muscle weakness). It can occur at sleep onset or upon awakening, and it is often associated with terrifying visions (e.g. an intruder in the room), to which one is unable to react due to paralysis. It is believed a result of disrupted REM sleep, which is normally characterized by complete muscle atonia that prevents individuals from acting out their dreams. Sleep paralysis has been linked to disorders such as narcolepsy, migraines, anxiety disorders, and obstructive sleep apnea; however, it can also occur in isolation.[1][2] When linked to another disorder, sleep paralysis commonly occurs in association with the neuromuscular disorder narcolepsy.[2]

i dont find night visitors frighteneing.two ghosts haunt the house i live in and i researched the history of the house and know who they are.one of my family is a medium so to me ghosts and such things are something normal.its like not believing in a washing machine.

simple answer...yes.

better answer...depends on the vampire.
~W~

you have a point, some vampires are equipped to be both psi and sang, much like myself, but I have squeamish tendencies so psi fits better, others perfer blood, really when handled responsibly neither one is bad or an issue

a psy tapped me on the bus just a few dayes ago.she got her hand wrapped around my neck absorbing me and i loved it.so much pleaure!ill put an add in the paper asking to meet her again.a short lady with grey hair

I have the capabilities of doing a lot of different things such as remote viewing which may or may not affect someone. What I mean is, they might sense I am doing it but beyond that I don't try to take energy from anyone because I'm not a vampire, but I can do it only because I am involved in magick so that in its self deals in the manipulation of energies. So to answer your question, I would say yes. Someone can attack you from almost anywhere, which is why you should always be sure you have wards, unless of course you want it..

if its consentuall then its not an attack.ive got a ward stone in my room i found on the beach and some other things

There's a well known lecturer named Michelle Berlanger who can provide some vital information on this issue. Astral Travel is something I've had mixed feelings about, so i can neither confirm, or deny, whether it's actually possible

Michelle Belenger is an excellent source to look to in this matter. She is considered an authority on such things and is a prominent voice within the Vampire Community. I have read several of her books and would recommend both "The Psychic Vampire Codex" and her book called "Psychic Dreamwalking". Both are very good reads and address this issue.

Definitely Michelle Berlanger is worth a read. I have read her at length and find her writings to be thought provoking. I choose not to discuss this topic in an open forum such as this, but if you are interested in knowing my point of view on this, please feel free to message me.

She has videos all over Youtube

i met her several years ago, and i wish i could have spent more time with her. as it was she did much to help guide my path.

returning to the thread, there have been numerous claims of astral travel down thru the centuries, and while i will not claim i can do this, i will say that i have seen some pretty good evidence of it.

at the end of the night however you must decide for yourself what you choose to believe. there is the black and white world of one that is very willing to tell you what can and cannot be...and there is a more twilight world (altho the books and movies have really put a blight on that word! lol) where things may not be exactly as "rationality" would have us believe.
~W~