There is a phantom in the UK who is sometimes called "the Hat Man" on account of his distinctive hat. He is similar to the MIB s in that he dresses entirely in black, usually wearing a long black coat or cloak.
Unlike the MIB though, there is no question of him being a living creature. He is often seen by nurses in hospitals, usually hanging around the bed of someone who is about to die. He used to be mistaken for a doctor, as his attire resembles that of old fashioned doctors - but nobody sees where he comes from, and he has a habit of disappearing into thin air.
There are hardly any documented reports - just rumors and second hand tales, which is hardly surprising. you don't talk about such things if you want to keep your job, and nurses see and hear a lot of things that they never talk about openly.
I would have dismissed this as a modern urban legend if it were not for the fact that i have seen him myself. I was a young child, and very sick (close to death it turned out later), when i saw a tall thin man in a wide brimmed hat and wearing an Inverness coat ( a heavy caped overcoat), very similar to the one our regular family doctor wore, enter my bedroom with my mother. though i didn't recognize him, I assumed him to be a doctor.
But he then did something odd. he went to the foot of my bed, and seemed to be lifting it up, tilting the bed as i lay in it.. then he silently left.
when i questioned my mother about his strange actions, she told me the doctor hadn't arrived yet, and that apart from herself there had been nobody in the room. She said I had a very high fever and was probably delirious, so i dropped the whole thing.
But I still remember it to this day, and the man I saw seems very much like the stories I've heard of the Hat Man.
Has anybody else here seen him?
Some links, better info, umm...maybe some of the links to the myths etc, would be better to start a discussion than just personal experience. MIB is a movie so it is hard for me to wonder if you are just thinking you are seeing something you would think would be cool. A lot of "things" like that (IE The lizardman of Bishopville, SC, USA: he rips chrome from cars,) are seen by people but usually have no sites, links, or images to back it up. SO please share some links or such for one to do their own research?
ah. I was using the acronym MIB in regard to the urban myth of Men In Black, rather than the movie. i was in no way inferring that i was visited by will smith (who hadn't even been born at that time)
to those who do not know, there is a sort of urban legend that people who report seeing UFOs in America are sometimes visited by strange men in black. for many years it was believed that these men were actually aliens, as they had a somewhat unreal quality to them. they behaved in peculiar ways, usually hid their eyes behind dark glasses, were tall and thin, and were politely menacing.
the popular opinion now is that they were CIA agents, but this has never been confirmed, and there is no real proof that the Men In Black are real.
Some psychologists have speculated that neither UFOs Aliens, nor Men In Black are actually physical, but are projections from the unconscious psyche.
it is probably an irrelevant diversion, but there may be a parallel. the MIB and the Hat Man share several things in common - thin, tall, dressed in black, their eyes are never seen, and there is something surreal about them.
Seeing as no retired agent has ever admitted to being a Man In Black, I am somewhat skeptical of the supposition that they are government agents.
What you describe is what i experienced during an attack of Sleep Paralysis. My close friend went through Meningitis and he hallucinated a whole room of vapor-ish beings. The mind is very susceptible to suggestion, and any physiologic anomaly can compromise our senses. I have have also personally suffered heart failure, and I experienced a Grande Finally hallucination.
It could be a grim. Not to be confused with the grim reaper imagine, nor an angel of death, but that's their titles, Grim. They are older than angels, and can take 2 forms, that I have seen myself of, a humanish being, or a nonhuman being covered in a tall cloak or jacket. They are there when a person is dying or dose to death and they choose their fate. There aren't a lot of them though, and the interesting part is that just like humans, they have live lines, like they age. They can start as small children and then "grow," yet still always a grim. That's the term I was told. A Grim.
Interesting this thing you call a Grim. I will have to look that up. There is also a type of shadow person identified as the hat man that many see. I haven't heard of what the poster is talking about at least in the US.
This is one definition about the MIB which is basically what someone said.
"Men in Black (MIB), in American popular culture and in UFO conspiracy theories, are men dressed in black suits who claim to be government agents who harass or threaten UFO witnesses to keep them quiet about what they have seen. It is sometimes implied that they may be aliens themselves. The term is also frequently used to describe mysterious men working for unknown organizations, as well as various branches of government allegedly designed to protect secrets or perform other strange activities. The term is generic, used for any unusual, threatening or strangely behaved individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some fashion with a UFO sighting."
Do you have a link at all for the hat man you have posted about? I would like to read on the topic. Sounds very interesting, but have never seen one nor heard of anyone else having seen one until now.
i think you misunderstand. my post was not taken from an internet link - it is something that happened to me personally, though a quick google will turn up lots of similar accounts. I forget where i first came across the name "hat man" but it seems to crop up in several places. the forbidden of hat tends to differ slightly - some describe a bowler hat, some see a top hat, some see a trilby.
I think what is being described in these accounts is the same phenomena. maybe it stems from the subconscious, or maybe it is some sort of spirit entity. all i can say for certain is the man i saw looked so solid and real, I thought it was a doctor - but it seems only I could see him. For many years I accepted that it was an hallucination (and maybe it was), but i am intrigued by the fact that so many other people have seen the same thing.
At the time I was only seven or eight years old - I had never seen a horror movie, and couldn't read or write. (at least not until a short while after that event).
I doubt you would find a Grim online, but maybe in old books? I never looked it up, just speaking from first hand experience, same as the topic starter. A grim is, I THINK what caused the widespread grim reaper pictures and belief. I'm sure if people have elders you can ask them yourself if they have seen a grim, I'm pretty sure many people have, or felt them. The information I can give you to try to help, minus what I already said, is that there is a class of them that like.. Evolve? I wouldn't know the word for it, but as they age, they get stronger and stronger. See, there are grims for certain things and certain levels. Like the angelic and the demonic. The highest rank look like pure light being. The onl difference is a grim doesn't need a tool to take your life. Some don't even need a touch, but those are ancient grims. Like I said though, from what I gathered first hand.
Here is a link to a story on the Hat Man and posts below of experiences people have had. There is a link also to amazon and a book that is supposedly all about the Hat Man.
It is within one of the comment posts.
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/09/an-encounter-with-the-hat-man/
Seems to be two types of Hat Man people. One is called a shadow person but it could be that this is the same being with different lore written about it. One of my daughters saw the Hat Man twice and she identified it as a shadow person but still could be the same one but seen differently by each person. There actually is a lot on this topic.
I actually thought of Shadow a person until he said it was around people near death. Shadow people mostly do their own thing though... Hmm. Interesting. Could be, rule little out.
to be honest i was hoping for more personal replies. There are plenty of cases in the internet that are anecdotal or local folk tales. i want to hear from other people who have experienced it themselves.
Oh. I know of grims from personal reasons, but not from death.
Iirc, the Men in Black predate the CIA. So maybe NSA or OSS agents following the time frame of the first American UFO sightings.
This does sound like a Death Omen Legend...
I have two working theorys from what I have read, the rumors are they are usually seen by or with people close to death, and in your case you were close to death but not quite there.
With the Vast array of work for a Reaper in any lore, to know point blank that this person is ready to die when you are to have 20 people ready at the same time seems like an impossible feat, even for a supernatural creature...
Could it be possible that this 'Hat Man' is a scout so to speak for the Reaper, Angel of death, or what ever other collector of souls dictates the regions Lore, he looks you over, in the guise of a doctor, and reports how much time you should have, or if you have the chance to recover properly?
Other theory is based on the concentration of this phenomenon...is it to a single Hospital/floor/room... Then it could be a simple haunting... even as much as a City with mutiple hosptials that have an overlapping time frame of running.... bigger area than that, I'll stick to the first theory
No, I have not seen him, but this thread brings to mind another recent thread regarding a being that takes the life from others and passes on its own ailments in replace....which was a topic I very much enjoyed reading. Maybe there is a connection between the two, or they are seperate cases but that is what was brought to mind when I read this topic. :)
We got a lot of good talks going on now.. :-)
Neinmortlan - I heard a little about the Men in Black, but wasn't fimilar with it until I heard it in Paranormal podcast. You got a good point there!
TiggenNomir - This sounds so similar of what I heard from one of my parents friend's daughters (she was the first tone to tell me with her sister along with the two other girls. We were all outside talking paranormal), and my mom! They both told me the same story but totally similar to yours!!!
I'm not sure how far back the MIB sightings go, but the earliest appearance in the movies was in It Came from Outer Space - made in 1953. it is possible i might have seen that film on TV as a kid (the MIB in that was a robot with glowing eyes i think), and the attire was not too dissimilar to the Hat man. though the figure i saw was thinner, wore an Inverness coat, and as i say - looked like a doctor.
Nobody knows the true nature of the MIB or even if they really exist - no government body has actually admitted to threatening people who report UFOs, and though it is mostly an American phenomena, there have been a few British reported cases.
they may be entirely unrelated, but it is possible that they could be aspects of the same phenomena - either spirits, or some form of archetypal hallucination.
There is also a long running radio series featuring a man called "The Man in Black" in which the eponymous gentleman is an unnamed story teller who relates ghost stories to the listener.
My experience took place somewhere in the mid 1960s (67 i think) which probably predates that.
On the Italian channels, two Tv programmes that discuss the paranormal, have mentioned the MIB so they aren't new to me either. As for Death, in the form of the Grim Reaper, I know only one person who saw it more than once. A few years ago I found a site where sightings of the Grimm were reported. Now about the Hat Man, it was new to me before this thread but it happened a coincidence recently. Aparently it is a legend here in Malta too. A Maltese paranormal investigation group opened recently on facebook, and they're going to orginise a tour around an old town in the South. They're going to attempt and contact the Hat Man, curious how this will end up.
I agree with Dabbler. The brain can do some strange things when a person is sick or near death.
Are there any photos? Almost everyone has a cell phone with a camera these days.