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Jynxie
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Satanism. Quiet a complex religion in my opinion.
I was hoping, that through this bulletin, a few myths can be solved, and opinions produced on the religion.
Personally, I do not buy religion, for many reasons which I will not preach of.

So satanism. What is is complex about worshipping the devil?

Well, a few things.

1) Rituals done for Satan. What are these? What do they do? What do you gain?
2) Are there commandments to follow? (I know there's thje equivelent to a Satanic bible as well. What does it contain?)
3)Apparently to be a Satanist, you don't need to believe in Satan?
4) Following sterotypes, does Satan make people kill?

For #4, I know that may sound ridiculous. What i'm trying to ask, is if Lucifer is meant to tell people to kill, from a religous view?

As I said before, i am athiest. But the Satanic religion is stereotuped greatly, and would be interesting to hear some facts, for once.

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wow quite some info mrd i think that helps heeheee!



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Jynxie
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It does indeed, thank you very much.

Does anyone else have more information? (If there is actually any more to be known!)



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VampiresBite
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one way to find out more about satanism is to buy the satanic bible by anton levey...i have it eventhough im not satanic and its a good book



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>1) Rituals done for Satan. What are these? >What do they do? What do you gain?

Rituals are fairly similar in structure no matter the following...they try to obtain an effect through ritualisation, focus, and will..... and as to what you gain, this is dependent upon the nature of the ritual in question, and it's intent

>2) Are there commandments to follow? (I >know there's thje equivelent to a Satanic >bible as well. What does it contain?)

Yes there is a set of comandment in Laveyan Satanism, I'm unsure about others, and not sure exactly what those comandments are....but they are not in fact evil in any way...they are however rather self serving

>3)Apparently to be a Satanist, you don't >need to believe in Satan?

That entirely depends on the variant of satanism you are following, some as was said before are more an idea of self impowerment

>4) Following sterotypes, does Satan make >people kill?

assuming that "satan" were to exist...where would the benefit in making ppl kill be...every person killed is a possible convert for a later date lost forever...seems an illogical conclusion to me...tho this is one I would have to be a follower to know for sure....


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RavenMoonNiamh
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Didn't realize there were so many variants of Satanism ...amazing !



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I find that alot of people have Satanism fucked up and don't understand it.

It bugs me when people are so oblivious to what it is, if you're so curious, please just pick up the book and read it and you _might_ understand it.

If you ask questions, figure out the answers for yourself. There's a Curch of Satan website, do some research, it's not like it takes up that much of your time.

*deep breath* Errrrah, yah.

First thing about Satanism as well, you worship YOURSELF, you are your own God (to those who didn't know and thought we just spend all our time doing Satain worshiping. He's a cool dude, but can fuck you over if you're not strong enough)

He is a good companion, to those who can handle it, and to those who DESERVE it.

So why don't you try it out?

The results won't be horrible. Knowledge is power.

(I'm sorry about spelling mistakes, I really suck)



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Hellbringer
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Useful links : Joy Of Satan , Diane Vera's Theistic Satanism page , ModernSatanism.com

Nice input , everyone :)



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'We Satanists are our own Gods and we are the explorers of the Left Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right Hand Path.'

An extract from www.churchofsatan.com

This extract shows a miniscule part of Satanic beliefs that one is his/her own God. And that Satanists are not blinded by the 'Right Hand Path' or religions, to put it simply.

Satanism in itself is said to actually NOT a religion, Satanism celebrates material things instead of the spirit, like Chrisitanity.

INTERESTING FACT- Anton Salvador LaVey died in 29th October 1997, and named his son Satan.

THE NINE SATAIC STATEMENTS

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!



9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!





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THE ELEVEN SATANIC RULES OF THE EARTH

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



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deathnitegrl
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Just cause you know of only a type of Satanism that doesn't mean it's all that.

Nowadays the most common type of Satanism is the one of Anton Lavey,but that's only a kind of Satanism.

It's like Christianity,there isn't only one type.I know am repeating but it's needed,cause people tend to belive in only what they hear.



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dmoreton
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to live in the eleven rules upon the earth, is infact a must to revise and finally become, for no-one starts life knowing all eleven and practising all the time. input is needed



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earthbloodguardian
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I have no imput considering that I'm not of the religion, but I have to say that all this information is very interesting. I never knew that much about it. All I can say is wow.



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lolitamarie
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There are probably as many different forms of Satanism as there is Christianity. No two people in any religion believe exactly the same.



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hellsphreak
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Though I do not practice Satanism (I'm a pure atheist), I know that Satanism is a misunderstood "religion". It has nothing to do with bizarre rituals and evilness.

To be honest, I think Satanism and other pagan religions, are more straightforward than other organized religions.



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rancidmeat
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i own a copy of the satanic bible it was written in the 1960's this is the intorduction at the begining of the book Anton Szandor LaVey
Called "The Black Pope" by many of his followers, Anton LaVey began the road to High
Priesthood of the Church of Satan when he was only 16 years old and an organ player in a
carnival:
"On Saturday night I would see men lusting after half-naked girls dancing at
the carnival, and on Sunday morning when I was playing the organ for tentshow
evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot, I would see these same
men sitting in the pews with their wives and children, asking God to forgive
them and purge them of carnal desires. And the next Saturday night they'd be
back at the carnival or some other place of indulgence.
"I knew then that the Christian Church thrives on hypocrisy, and that man's
carnal nature will out!"
From that time early in his life his path was clear. Finally, on the last night of April, 1966 -
Walpurgisnacht, the most important festival of the believers in witchcraft - LaVey shaved his
head in the tradition of ancient executioners and announced the formation of The Church Of
Satan. He had seen the need for a church that would recapture man's body and his carnal
desires as objects of celebration. "Since worship of fleshly things produces pleasure," he said,
"there would then be a temple of glorious indulgence..."

as you can see he was 16 yrs old but there is extencive infomation its just a shame he dose not state where he attained the info there are various books of the satanic bible

BOOK OF SATAN
The Infernal Diatribe

BOOK OF LUCIFER
The Enlightenment

BOOK OF BELIAL
The Mastery of the Earth

BOOK OF LEVIATHAN
The Raging Sea

the book of leviathan is the most usefull for spells and incantations however without reading the other 3 books you will have no idea how to do anything and fuck it up its quite a good way to get you to read the whole thing it has the 19 keys written in enoch and translated to english but must be spoken in perfict enoch and shit this is hard i shall post the key for lust ie the seventh key for a demonstration
for ppl who are wondering what enoch is this should be helpfull

THE ENOCHIAN LANGUAGE
AND THE ENOCHIAN KEYS
THE magical language used in Satanic ritual is Enochian, a language thought to be
older than Sanskrit, with a sound grammatical and syntactical bases. It resembles
Arabic in some sounds and Hebrew and Latin in others. It first appeared in print in
1659 in a biography of John Dee, the famous Sixteenth Century seer and court
astrologer. This work, by Meric Casaubon, describes the occultist Dee's activities with
his associate, Edward Kelly, in the art of scrying or crystal gazing.
Instead of the usual crystal ball, Kelly, who was the gazer, used a many-faceted
trapezohedron. The "angels" referred to in Kelly's first revelation of the Enochian Keys,
obtained through the windows of the crystal, are only "angels" because occultists to this day
have lain ill with metaphysical constipation. Now the crystal clears, and the "angels" are seen
as "angles" and the windows to the fourth dimension are thrown open - and to the frightened,
the Gates of Hell.


any way i bring you the seventh key
THE SEVENTH KEY
The Seventh Enochian Key is used to invoke lust, pay homage to glamor, and rejoice in the
delights of the flesh.
(Enochian)
Ra-asa isalamanu para-di-zoda oe-cari-mi aao iala-pire-gahe Qui-inu. Enai butamonu od
inoasa ni pa-ra-diala. Casaremeji ujeare cahirelanu, od zodonace lucifatianu, caresa ta vavalezodirenu
tol-hami. Soba lonudohe od nuame cahisa ta Da o Desa vo-me-dea od pi-beliare
itahila rita od miame ca-ni-quola rita! Zodacare! Zodameranu! Iecarimi Quo-a-dahe od Imica-
ol-zododa aaiome. Bajirele papenore idalugama elonusahi-od umapelifa vau-ge-ji Bijil -
IAD!
(English)
The East is a house of harlots singing praises among the flames of the first glory wherein the
Dark Lord hath opened His mouth; and they are become as living dwellings in whom the
strength of man rejoiceth; and they are appareled with ornaments of brightness, such as work
wonders on all creatures. Whose kingdoms and continuance are as the Third and Fourth,
strong towers and places of comfort, the seats of pleasure and continuance. O ye servants of
pleasure, Move!, Appear!, sing praises unto the Earth and be mighty amongst us. For that to
this remembrance is given power, and our strength waxeth strong in our comforter.

well thats it for me i hope i have been helpfull in some way or another :D



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hellsphreak
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Rancid, you still owe me a copy... :P



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rancidmeat
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lol :D



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rancidmeat
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'dead carnie' lol i like that



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LaMuerte
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I don't know very much about the satanic "religions" and philosophies, but I can tell you, coming from a strictly Catholic (dear gods!) family, the myths and misunderstandings about satanism are countless! It's just too bad that most people that NEED to see this discussion will never get the chance...



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Daermon
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Thank you MR.D
however outside of perversions on christianity, what would actually be satan worship...since without christian dogma, the entity of satan is a non issue....other faiths have their dark powers...but the term satan is entirely theirs....



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Riska
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if i had any idea about what it was i would certanly tell you but alas i dont have a clue sorry



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Nytechylde
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A lot of things about Satanism I did not know, very interesting.



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TegoSanguisitim
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A wealth of knowledge amongst us. Impressive.



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loud
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satanism who can tell about it i think if some one practice it they will keep it secret or if you want to know mre its necessary to do some search on it .....



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hottubmolly
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reading the satanic bible is an eye opening experience. and at the very least is entertainig, so i recomend it, in fact i encourage satanic book clubs to pop up all over. how cool would that be, hehehe.



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Faine
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WOW!! i didnt kno any of that!



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satanicvampyre
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Just go to www.churchofsatan.com



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05:50:17 Jun 25 2006
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hmm.. it would seem one that worships the devil is likely to believe in many of the christian ideas... as thats where he came from... but to me it would seem illogical to worship him rather then his creator.....



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I aspire to a more....positive Force that created this universe and my existance and well as that of what most refer to of as Satanic influence.

But know that I respect all faiths and beliefs even if we disagree on what moves our spirits indeed.

For I am a man of knowledge and passion, not judgement.


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