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to define, and EGO vampire...is one who must constantly be in the limelight, the energy they feed on is the attention they obtain from others....in some cases, from being hated...in others needing to be loved....
How do these individuals affect those around them either adversely or positively, and is this vampirism of a kind?

I'm not sure if they are vamps Daermon..I know that ppl that want the negative type of attention often look for it in anyway they can as for those that want to be loved by all..They give love sometimes at least..So......

they just give all vampires a bad repitation

Wait... Are you saying, there are people out there, who HAVE to be the center of attention? They act out in ways to draw either negative or positive attention from others?!? You must be kidding.

*ahem*

Honestly, depending on the situation, they can be a real benifit. Some of them actually entertain. The class clown that breaks tension before a big test, the bar fly that keeps the drunks busy, the old joker that keeps idiots from fighting. We all know ones like that.

Sadly with them, you also have to put up with the "others."

The Antagonist
The Drama King/Queen
The Better Than You

You all know which ones I mean.

Are we talking about the kind of attention seekers who like to be on Jerry Springer? I think they are harmful and shameful - not to mention ridiculous.

Is there a positive EGO vampire? Perhaps those that have a need for attention but who offer something in return such as knowledge, kindness...what have you.

Are people who need attention but have something valuable to say any less worthy as people? I wonder how being an attention junky could be considered vampirism, for the attention seeker is either a blatant fool or a worthy contributor.

Does EGO vampirism affect anyone but the individual themselves? In some mediums (such as VR) what constitutes attention seeking - more posts? controversial threads? infamy? noteriety? Does anyone really care in a medium like this?

Are musicians who play live vampires? For surely I know that many of them are completely ego driven....they have described the "Energy" of the crowd and how they feed off it. But we get a great show in return and we also "feed" off the energy of the crowd around us or are completely unaware.


In that instance we may all be part of a symbiotic relationship where we feed off each other and are only "aware" of those that attract us.

this is my idea....sometimes they are a benefit,
sometimes they are a hinderance....
but are they a type of vampire...
they are incessant in their need for attention.....they do seem to "feed" on it....
is this vampirism in a sense?

Damn those Ego vampires- always keepin' the conventional vamps down.

Parasitic?... Yes I believe so.

Vampyric?... No.

MMM i know of someone just like that and just rattles on about nothing and you say something to this person and he gets worse I think ego vampires are annoying to those who take vampireism as it is

I think there are just people out there who need attention and it does feed their ego - but they are also known as extroverted people. Introverts are people who feed off their own thoughts and creativity. It is possibly just a personality and not vampirism.

parasitic and yet not vampiric you say,
interesting
but my thoughts on what a vampire are as I have said in a prior topic is that vampires, whether they like the term or not...are simply a form of parasite....

Ouch still Daermon....Well I know I still have a problem with that word but the egoist isn't a Vamp they want attention whether it be good or neg........

Agreed. All vampires are parasites. But so are fleas. That doesn't make all fleas, vampires.

Vampires are parasites. Not all parasites are vamprires.

The human being in and of itself, is the most perfectly formed parasite. We create nothing without stealing the resorces elsewhere.

I would think after reading your definition of ego vampire...that a jump to a empath vampire or chi/energy vampire would be quite logical. You can feed on feeling and emotion because there is a taste to it....an essence. Craving attention and getting it would be like feeding on it...no?
Just a thought

In order for me to consider something vampiric, I usually feel that there has to be someone losing what the vampire takes. Whether that be wilingly or parasitic, I don't know that attention really falls into that category. See I don't feel that simply by removing someone who is garnering attention, that others are necessarily bound to be able to use that new 'surplus'.

There are those that seek or naturally gain attention and those that seek to or are naturally good at avoiding attention. I really think this boils down to a nurture over nature thing most often as well. I tend to garner attention because growing up with an alcoholic parent, the children often adopt methods of distracting the rest of the family from that 'problem'. Either by praise or punishment, those types of behaviors are reinforced and become personality traits.

Now if you feel that there are those that tend to 'greedily' grab for attention to the detriment of a group or society, I suppose you could call that an ego vampire (much to the dismay and emnity of the rest of the vampires here that already complain about the bad press that the world already gives them)...but I think it would be more of a derogitory slang term than an actual type of being.

I would tend to agree that perhaps it would be a sort of in house slang...more than an actualy type...
tho it is in a way close to a chi vamp....

hmmm... ME ME ME ME ME!


It's all about ME! :D

Seriously, it is... >;)

i would say that some are just looking for or craving the attention of others, due to a lack of other self confidance

well I don't know if a true vampire has an ego at all, it is the loss of the ego, the self that plugs the vampire into the collective unconcious, it is just too bad the collective is unconscious, and they don't understand, that the sacrifice of losing the ego only leads to the dominance of the Id.

I would agree there are Id vampires, but no ego vampires for, it is not attention they seek, but to be a useful part of a society, saying things in a small circle that if got out would destroy the world, the way a man been around the block schools his friends.

If however, being nice and caring and giving with destructive knowledge only offends people because they are unconscious to their future and the reality of life not yet palpable, and they only believe such attempts at making a bridge of understanding is attention seeking, by all means, ego vampires do exist at least in their eyes. If they could only see, the loss of the vampire's ego and trip to the Vampire Id, makes him a super ego vampire, which according to Freuds terminology would mean, that the "Ego"vampire of the community was actually the only one who was plugged into the collective unconscious of vampirism, and of course being misunderstood again and agian, insulted, and trainbed not to care and give back to a world that can't accept him or her, they walk away, looking for new battle grounds, where the big splash effect is the same, but at least it is new minds to blow, and fresh faces to look at for a moment have a glimpse of understanding and walk away again, for who on this site can apply ego Id or even undertsnad the concept of super ego as related to this topic, or the path that sometimes people to take to know more to be in a position to teach gets shunned instead.

The trip is worth it even if the gifts can only be shared with the ones you love.

and you say you are not evil, let the truth loose you say

well now there are two catch twenty twos in enlightenment, first you aren't supposed to let the truth loose on a large scale and second even if you find an audience small enough to make an impact they think you are crazy.

Daermon I hope you never reach enlightment. The Ah hah phenomena is that only you get it.

As a part of jibing me, I have no ego, I can't be hurt by character defamation or assassination, they humor me, so you should just stop because you are making me feel too good already.

i had never heard of an Ego vampire before but i am just beginning to study vampirism

It's not so much vampiric as annoying.

oh yeah, good to know.

Daermon writes:

to define, and EGO vampire...is one who must constantly be in the limelight, the energy they feed on is the attention they obtain from others....in some cases, from being hated...in others needing to be loved....

I can't read that without losing some degree of consciousness. Daermon, your language is like a vampire without fangs; it has no venom or bite.

i dont think they are vampires...i mean its like you have people that claim to be christian and then you have an actual christian that practices the beleifs and stuff...i think the whole point of the attention seekers is to do exactly that...be the center of attention and they know that being a vampire is a sore spot for humanity so they claim it and try to convince people that, that is what they are...i think that vampires are more shadow then anything meaning we dont broadcast ourself all over the universe...we keep everything normal and natural...for the open vampires such as myself i dont go and yell out "hey im a vampire" i keep it to myself but if a situation comes up where either i think it should be known or someone needs to be educated on the vampire way of life then i let them know how we are and how we arent...so in conclusion i feel that the "attention seeking vampires" are imposters...plain and simple

wow...that was brutal....haha...sorry to admit it...

I really don't think it has much to do with vampirism, but more with being insecure and needing constant adulation to bolster one's flagging ego and self image.

I am with Tinius on this - parasites are not all vampires.

Attention seeking is a need to balm the self = and it takes nothing from you if you won't or don't pay attention to it.

Stealing attention energy by yelling "FIRE" in a crowded building is now punishable by law. Otherwise, I usually ignore the ignorant sods who want attention and don't deserve it.

I don't watch Jerry Springer.

::shrugs:: it all depends on what your personal definition on vampirism is.....

vampires bite to feed, like parasite, but i think they also evolved feeling, love, pleasure for example

from observed experiance, i can only add that, at least one of these overdemanding seaker types is a energy feeder.
the one i refure to in my observation has a great deal of trouble trying to feed on energy in a common way. the case here states that they need to get humans angry and it is the human anger flowing out in anger rages that gives them the greatest and most rewarding feed of all.
so yes do some look to cause trubble with humans, and apear a nusence?
or are they just an other part of the food chain that needs to get thier meal the only way they can?
if it is for feeding i would say, yes they have vamp traites.
and as for there manor in obtaining there feeds, well it may be outside of the normal view of vamp behavour to some, to others it is just the way they are and have always been.
no harm intened only survival.

cheers

Since no one on this site nears my level of understanding and enlightenment I cannot outright comment in this thread. However, I can leave you with this article that I stumbled across that should set a few of those worthy on the right path so that we may one day discuss greater things that this topic touches upon.

*"The Aardvark is nocturnal and a solitary creature that feeds almost exclusively on ants and termites; the only fruit eaten by aardvarks is the aardvark cucumber. An Aardvark emerges from its burrow in the late afternoon or shortly after sunset, and forages over a considerable home range, swinging its long nose from side to side to pick up the scent of food. When a concentration of ants or termites is found, the Aardvark digs into it with its powerful front legs, keeping its long ears upright to listen for predators, and takes up an astonishing number of insects with its long, sticky tongue—as many as 50,000 in one night has been recorded. It is an exceptionally fast digger, but otherwise moves rather slowly.

Aside from digging out ants and termites, the Aardvark also excavates burrows to live in: temporary sites scattered around the home range as refuges, and the main burrow which is used for breeding. Main burrows can be deep and extensive, have several entrances, and can be as much as 13 meters long. The Aardvark changes the layout of its home burrow regularly, and from time to time moves on and makes a new one. Only mothers and young share burrows.

After a gestation period of 7 months, a single cub weighing around 2 kg is born, and is able to leave the burrow to accompany its mother after only two weeks. At six months of age it is digging its own burrows, but it will often remain with the mother until the next mating season. The Aardvarks can grow older than 20 years in captivity."

*from Wikipedia for comedic value

LMAO @ Vul!

No kidding mate. Comedic value is needed here!

LOL Vulash.....
I agree with a number of ppl here but I think PheaR said about as close to what I think of it as any

People who crave attention like a drug are not neccesaryly vamps. Some or should i say most are insecure people who need the attention to feel like they matter.

Dreamer's Nightmare - I agree that those who seek attention without rhyme or reason are probably trying to cover for a lack of self worth. However, remove everyone's desire to seek attention and you end up with no entertainers, actors, politicians (well we could do with a few less of those eh?). Point being that attention in itself isn't a bad thing so much as attention without merit (ie acting out instead of just acting)...now as to what constitutes merit? Whole new topic I'm afraid.

yeah we all have roles to play, even if we did not choose it. The guy who wrote Jonathon Livingston Seagul he wrote a book called

the reluctant messiah

I am surprized they didn't kill this thread, I know Daremon and I don't mind the flaming, because in reality flaming is all there is to life sometimes. BUt if you don't like the message, don't kill the messanger.

I think spirited debate doesn't necessarily get a killed thread VampSun. I've found it has more to do with whether or not a 'flame session' or post in general leaves the realms of the threads subject. Though there may have been a couple Dominars with itchy delete fingers on this one.

Back on the subject, Ego is a personality trait...I don't think ego by itself is a bad thing. I don't think attention by itself is a bad thing. As you said, we all have our roles and some of us take more center stage rolls than others but that doesn't make them automatically any more important.

Vampariah has passion. Passion twisted by being a pariah, not included in life. He wants to belong but he never finds his place even in love, Not being a part of life makes the desire higher, and even though he is altruistic he turns his back on life, accepts death socially, turns to hedonism which perfects his science accidentally as the scret to order is chaos. Standing in the light, living like he had, living like no other, burning in the limelight because every time he does something right it is considered wrong, he cannot stand in the light anymore and enters darkness. Vampariah is a dark being. A being of light that must get out of the limelight, and accept darkness. He understands darkness because he understands the light.

One can smite the self, the ego, and stay in dark all their lives, and thnk evil, and not even try life, but you see Vamapriah tries to make a difference, but the forces of dark are just too dark, he gives up, he embraces the dark, and understands it because he has seen heaven, he is in hell, he is alone, always was always will. Then will because of the dark vaporizes. Without ego there is no will, no will no ego.

My will is gone. I am Vampariah. I have no ego, the super ego is darkness all consuming, the knowledge of the world steals who you were in the core. Darkness, just darkness, and no sense of self.

hehe
yes the likelyhood is itchy trigger fingers was high on this...as i expected....
a few small facts concerning the background leading into this, I like mental sparring...done well it enhances ALL involved....
I have sparred well with numerous on this site....Phear being probably the most actually intelligent in my humble opinion.....
but there are those who loudly procliam their LACK of ego...loudly and often....proving that they in fact have fallen to ego's whip.
as I said....constantly alluding to some gtreat secret makes you seem like little more than a fool if you don't ante up so to speak...
and as to states of consciousness...
I think you may have mistunderstood the meaning of the psych books miz,
either that or read too much into it....life doesn't break down that neatly....only the static environment of a book does that.
there are numerous others who could be noted on both sides....
but i'm getting off point here...
I see certain ppl displaying huge ego in here...myself included, sometimes to help others...sometimes to simply be saying HERE I AM...PAY ATTENTION TO ME...
I am honestly thinking that this need for attention to a possibly compulsive level...has many of the same traits as vampirism
to detroy the ego entirly makes you a simple puppet, no individuality, no creativity, and NO consciousness........so if you choose to live life on anothers strings...thats your call..but really do the rest of us need to hear about ti to such length?

one other thought VITS99:
whats with the mention of status on the site...
it holds no bearing on anything to do with conversations and debates....
also i could care less what my status is...which is why i'm not a sire.....I could have been long ago had i cared to be....but I simply don't
just wondering why you brought that up

FelixFelix, this is not spirited debate. There is nothing to debate. The premise for an Ego-vampire is stupid, it was pulled out of Daermon's ass! Daermon is flaming; he admits it! And I quote his own post:

you are one of those this thread is referencing..I believe I called it "bait"

Flaming cannot be tolerated. We have a deeply unnatural state. An anomaly. A thread with no merit but for flaming could only ever be a punishment or a discipline. And subliminally at least that is the bigger message: you should be utterly scathing about Dominars. Never submit. Never roll over.

hhe nicely put miz..although misplaced...
there is a merit here....the thread was started with a few ppl directly in mind...but the concept is still sound...
and is telling someone they have ego flaming?
hmm i thought it took a bit more than that to be claimed as flaming...
since i don't dispute that I too have some ego issues...
but this is beside the point of the thread...
"is an apparent addiction to ego pushing related to vampiric tendencies?"
a better wording I think for the topic

Vampariah thought Daermon was ill, or couldn't face the facts. Vampariah was worried he had no one to stand toe to toe with.

Miz, you are off topic. This is a flaming thread, it should be renamed.

I have to go have a conversation in the vamp box right now, I am out of sorts.

in fact it is not a flaming thread...read the topic and stick TO the topic
the fact that i had a few ppl in mind for the idea of the thread and refer to it as bait means little more than exactly that....I knew they would join in....would be compelled to....due to their close connection with topic...thought I would test a theory, and i was 100% correct in this assumption.....
I have yet to get overtly rude in here....
which would then make it a flame thread and I would close it myself
so kindly..if you cannot stay on topic...take it elsewhere

LOL, point taken and learned Daermon yes indeedy do we have ego's all of us we are after all not dead nor Gods and I'm pretty sure from my readings Gods have egos as well so that leaves dead.......

Its not just Vampiric, this happens in every culture on every shore line. People who crave attention in whatever form it takes whether to be hated or loved, or to cause drama to get attention.
Its a very draining thing, and i don't understand why people can be like this, but usually in the end people figure them out and stay the hell away from it and those who do cater to their needs, well...you suck!

Daermon writes:

I have yet to get overtly rude in here....

and this is after you wrote this little gem:

I love how this guy references psych theory texts and people....and then goes on to twist their meanings into meaningless drivel....

Talking of meaningless drivel: ‘test a theory’ is the worst kind of weasel phrase. You are not testing shit because you are involved. There is deceit, self-deceit, at the heart of your experiment; but, as with all weeds, your psycho-babble's main offence is to the landscape. It is the ugliness of it. It does not fool me, but it does depress me.

you want ego? here it is Love gives me ego. Vulash you want marriage, well here it is.... this is how to do it...

this is an excerpt from the calling all writers story part II

just wrote it because I can't afford to live without a woman giveng me a sense of self.

it is purely fictional: A letter will come in the mail in a few days, I obviously lost to a better man. When they killed you off in the prequel I wasn't interested in reading the story if you were not in it, but I told them to try to bring her back to life, and tonight I went there after watching Mr and Mrs Smith kill each other and I understood the glitch in the matrix to break us up, and so here is what I wrote, I will fight for you, and in this case the pen is mightier than the sword, at least I would hope that you would lean towards having faith in that:




Sire introduced himself to Anette in the parlour.

"I cannot deal with a child this is ridiculous."

Annette absent mindedly stared at a candelabra in front of a mirror, transfixed.

Sire saw the candelabra reached for it and decided to hypnotise her with it, he blew out all the many candles save one. There had been 13, and a dozen had been taken away.

He hypnotized her to see what was in her soul.
She had the empty mind Joshua, the Ashen heart and something else was in her, her animal side that made her female. But what was it.

He called some spirits in to recognize the last detail of her impregnated forgotten essence.

They came in one by one, as if in a line of past loves.

They all agreed what was missing from the eqution the thing that made her a female sexually was Moira, the werewolf.

He used a quick and easy spell for her to recognize her animal female essence, after all, she was a well developed female yet wihtout the normal sexual maturity that comes with time, her body was new, her hormones had not even flowed yet, but they would flow soon as her animal essence would be evoked out of her.

Awaken my dear Annette, who are you?

he blew the candle out

she awoke, "Who am I? Who are you? I am Callia, I have two fathers, one gave me his ashen heart, and the other his barren mind. I have chosen to fill the mind with Callia...

Who is Callia?

It is a long story whatsyername, some remember me as Moira, but to those that love me, I am known only to them as Callia. It is a pet name of sorts, the kind lovers use...

The floor boards started to creak, and get bent out of shape like someone on the bottom floor was dragging a mack truck under there and it was about to bust through the parquet flooring.

Sire got up grabbed the dim witted candelabra and prepared to defend himself, the mirror dropped to the floor but didn't shatter. A being stood in front of it, there was no reflection

"I used to like my reflection, couldn't break the mirror had to see if I still had a face, but I can not ever get a look at myself, I am always changing, don't know who I am day to day one moment to the next. I am Vampariah, I was a lover of Callia before she was turned into a werewolf, and when she was, I let her run with the pack because I am a solitary figure, and I didn't have the heart to make her stray from her nature. But seeing as how she is no longer a werewolf I claim her soul to be mines, unless you want to marry Ashes heart and Joshuas mind. This female is mine.... Do you remember me Callia?

Callia was fully composed, been spurned in life a great deal by her fathers when she was not even Callia, in her mind heart she knew that, but in her soul they had never shown her the love that was showered misplaced on Annette. She was not Annette, but she was, but she was Callia now more in control of Annette than Annette was, because Annette was the child inside her, and Callia had control over that. It was Callia's adult heart that ruled her mind, and some perverted succubus worshipper was the idea of a man she wanted to marry. Vampariah loved her true. Would she make the right decision?

Would she choose the succubus worshipper or the Vampire lover?

Who knows what stirs the hearts of women to make the choices they do in life to take this man's hand or to be with that one. Vampariah was eternal, but he could not wait anymore. Life without love leads to madness, and did not Callia realise that if she chose lust over love Vampariah would go mad? Thus it would seem a decisive monet had arose, would she requite Vampariah, or would she receive some perverse satisfaction in denying him her hand and grab the hand of lust instead?

Love or lust, love or lust, she went over the various permutations in her mind, she loved men with such a passion but never having had the real thing, she feared it going wrong, at least lust one can walk away from, no one has ever successfully walked away from LOve alive. She wanted love but didn't believe in it, to give her hand to a man without reflection though he looked fine in the face, was she eternal or just a voodoo doll of magical construction that would lose her form in a battle over jealousies run rampant? Would she then be turned into a ghost, never to find rest because she never even had a chance to live or love, and move on to the next life. She had to live, she wanted eternal peace, so she decided the most powerful should decide the fate of the hand of her destiny entertwined.

I know who I am. I want security, I want long life, I want health, I want someone to be able to protect me, therefore the one who kills the other will be my man, or whatever you two are, I don't care, as far as I am concerned, I like the idea of two supernatural beings fighting over me...

I do hope that the power of love is the ingredient of which all other powers are dervived, so the one that loves me the most should surely win.

Sire knew he only lusted the vacuous succubus spirit evanescent, but he had been in limbo a long time removed from her prison of death asfixiated from him drained in the night long ago, in this limbo he had planned a comeback, he had studied ever book on witchcraft from other planets as well, as the innerspece of limbo interspace connected all the known universes together in one magical realm. He had the powers of God in essence.

Vampariah looked over at the Sire, he looked down at his empty heart, and knew all that he had that was for him that he was dead, therefore he could not be killed, and that he had the power of love, the necessary ingredient for the belief in life to reanimate him in the future. But he was a vampire, he could bite Callia werewolf female animalistic sexuality and ,make her his slave just by the passion for his blood lust, and he wouldn't have to fight this God, but he had to prove to Callia that he would die for her, to face certain death to be with her, to face this lustful God of all mighty power, and perhaps die in the na,me of love like many a warrior has done in the past to vanquish many a foe on the field of battle to strike down assunder the last man standing and then to be hit by a celebratory arrow of victory in freindly fire, to keep in mind for each strike the mantra Callia, as he killed to bed her well, and then to be released from the madness of war and be struck by the peace arrow, never to be able to actualize the love he had in his heart for her that was there all along. He didn;t have to but he would take that chance, even against this God armed with lust he was more of a devil and certainly evil.

Vampariah broke the silent staring contest which only lasted a few momentrs for revelations occur spontaneous and then move into action from instinct.

Sire Evil, you will not sire evil with her, you will not defeat me because I am the opposite of Evil I livE for her, and if I do not fight for her, this is not life, so I chose certain death to win her love, to prove I am the man to make solid her future with our without me, my spirit, even if your Evil should vanquish me, my spirit will come back and haunt you worse than succubai dream, for your lust will haunt your conscience for standing in the way of true love...

Sire Evil, stepped back, then he beaded his eyes, using any spell to get out of there, to face a man righteous he knew there was not a spell in the world that could defeat him when he was all primed up like a rooster chest out comb engorged with blood ready to fight for love.

He made a poof of smoke and then disappeared...

"Annette" the call went down the hallways echoing through the mansion and back into the parlour with the ripped up floor the dim wicked candelabra, and the mirror that reflected only olone of the lovers from a past seeming eternal life. "I will come back to marry you, you will see I am the one... lust is stronger than love... any fool knows love is only an ideal, it clouds the mind and weakens the body into sloth, lust is prime, lust is always on charged and primed, you are my bride Annette, I have always lusted you..."

Then callia spoke: "who is Annette. I do wish he would go back to that limbo room he came from."

Evil is a nice fantasy, but I have done that already in a past life only because I did not believe in love. Should I make the same mistake again then I am a fool, but I am not a man, I have the heart and mind of two men, and only men can lose their hearts and minds by being a fool, but I am a woman, I choose to learn from a past life, and think past lust, to choose love."

Vampariah smiled, he saw his teeth in the mnirror and nothing more, he was coming back, little by little, soon his molars would come in with the wisdom soon behind, but now the fangs glistened excitiment in her eyes for her could have bitten her before, but he decided to let her be a werewolf on these moors instead to be free as an animal, Vampariah coould fill Callias mind with all his past conquests, and make her address the best damn number in his little black book.

Should I just bite you now or later, I have waited too many lifetimes my dear, and if I do not feed on you, now, I will certianly perish, ce la vie sans amor..."

"I think we should be married first before you bite me and make my wedding gown red. I have to go tell my parents the coward went away, and I found out who I am, I am the animal lover Callia, whom is to be betrothed to Vampariah. Personally I don't know how you stood up to him, this Devil creature."

A man can conquor anything beyond himself without love, yet without love he cannot conqour himself.

Now his wisdom teeth came in, but he knew not to bite her, because he wanted to see his perfect face in the mirror someday in fine clothes turning her bridal gown crimson colored. He could wait for that image and that image alone could defeat any evil even or Sire Devil succubai luster.

freaken dizzy after writing that, a cigarette in a door way shielded from rain looking at Manhattan skyline obscured by coul cover. I hope that stirs Callia's heart. I am Vampariah after all...

let the crescendo of premonition fall like drop of fat rain drops, I am on, my ego is back, I am in love.