Our secrets or shall I say some things that are not for all eyes to see.. Well on the site I have seen things that should not be posted in my eyes but here is why, I have seen those of my house who have told who and what they are to those they felt they could trust and that would understand. they have been put down put out cut off or hurt by those they call family or friend.
they try and show them how we live open up to who and what we are and find out why some things are just for our eyes. I my self have tryed to show my exs mother that I am not evil or do not worship satan but she took what I have given her the wrong way so far that is what happens most so when I see thing that can be used to hurt us I speak out there are things that the young kids that come to the site take and use the wrong way thus making us look bad. How do you feel?

People tend to use any excuse when they dont understand things..As for the kids that come here some are us just much younger.If you get what I mean....Some come due to feeling hurt by others and lookign for a place to fit in with others

I understand how they felt. I had tried to explain and show to some friends, and it did not go well. I can never explain to either of my parents or my only sister. It is like I live with a secret identity.

My friends and family think that I am crazy...but they also know that this is me and even though they do not understand or take me seriously, they do not put me down or make fun of me (to my face).
I agree that when people do not understand something, they shunn it or take it the wrong way. I think it is a way of coping or being in denial, or just plain ignorance.
Society today makes people who are "different" or alternative, for use of a better word, come off as evil and etc. It is just because they do not understand nor are they willing, because it doesn't fit the mold they have developed. it's sad, but true.

It is hard opening up and letting people know who and what you really are. There is alway a chance that you will be rejected by people you thought you knew and trusted. Society really has made it hard for people not to be sheep and just follow the mainstream path. I have found that making sure the person is really very open and receptive of cultural diversity does seem to make things easier. If a person is close minded no matter how much they think they love you and you can trust them, the more likely they are to not accept you.

Dark Greeting's,I guess I've been lucky both side's of my family are witch's.My grandmother explained to me what I was,but I understand trying to let people know who and what we are.When I was younger it was harder, but with age come's a better understanding,and judgment of what to say and to who.But I don't forget what it was like to be young,it wasn't that long ago, I learned from my younger year's.Even now I make mistakes,and I been a Witch/Dhamphyl all my life.Everyone make's them don't be to hard on them remember everyone was young once.
Dark Blessing's,
KA

Yes I get what you are trying to say my family but what I am saying is well trying to say is lol that I now know why the Pillar of the Black Veil is Secrets I understand that now and I am just trying to show others why it is so from what has happened to me and mine..

That is one of the reasons I rarely tell what I am. People usually guess it, and if they ask I just nod. People who knows or have found out have been surprisingly cool about it, and I have not been excluded in anyway, nor have I been called an evil child eater or thing similar. I think it is how it is represented.

One of the flaws of mankind is the necessity to judge and look down on other "special" people in order to feel great about themselves. I feel sorry for you, and what you have been put through, and I hope that someday they will see you are not a bad person, just gifted.

I think some people will find fault with anyone or anything that is different from them. They tend to forgot that all people have basic needs- food, shelter, clothing, love , etc. Some people are just too busy wrapped up in their own selfish problems or trying to feel superior to others. That is no way to live and I feel it limits their options in life.

The children here are trying to find those who are similar to them and will accept them. Parenting has gotten to the point these days that many from the past would not recognize it. Not that the good old days was always the good old days. Parents seem busier trying to make a living. They do not connect with their children in some cases. The TV, video games and the Internet become babysitters. Their children have to find someone to feel connected to.

I think it was brave to try and tell your ex that you are who you are. Many equate vampires and the love of them to satan worship. That is their hang-up, not ours.

lownignitus well said my brother!

to the others about the young ones coming to the site and taking what info we have not saying all but some tend to take it the wrong way and do things that make us look like fools like thoses who have killed in our names or hurt someone because they say they needed to feed.. I feel that if there are those young one that seek to better understand us they should seek one who knows what they are talking about and who teaces the right way so the wrong things don't happen. I have seen many times on the news were some ( forgive my words ) dumbprick finds some young girl who loves our kind bullshits her into something sexual get put injail and says I am a Vampyre/ Vampire or kills some poor chew toy and blames it on being a Vampyre/ Vampire. I feel it is because we have so much info on the web and let all eyes see it. we have to pull together to protect our kin and our history.. and teach those who can understand it and use it for the right reasons
Yours in Blood and Shadow
Ryu Noctem Aeternus

i am a young kid at this site, i am 15, but i am not of those that you speak of.
the black veil is more so a way of life, and it isnt for anyone other than the vampyre comunity.
movies and fiction stories that i have seen that mention the black viel, mention it like a devilish text!
although, there are no exact words, just like the Christian bible, all of the different black veil texts mean the same thing.
humans fear the unknown.
and, curiosity killed the cat (i think it was because the cat assumed the wrong thing and asked the wrong questions in the wrong tone...lol)
but, i totaly agree w/ you! and, i think that our code should be cept to us personaly, if it need be mentioned, then talk about it in a private message.

vampyres as a whole will have their time to rein again.
but for the mean time, we must remain hidden and not "out of the coffin" in order to save ourselves!
in case none have noticed, and im not exactly sure if i should say this here, but i can delete it...
wars are building up.
the vampyre which was once the vast abundance of the earth's population will rise again!
humans are killing each other, because of what? religion?
how fucking dumb! *pardon my french*
its a personal thing, if you dont like what someone else thinks, then dont bring it up!!!

but, we must remain hidden, and when the time is right, we will all reveal ourselves and our numbers will keep us safe.

paulo,

Would it be your opinion that a vampyric nation will emerge to cause conflict with humanity as a whole?

Are you saying that we ought to prepare for war instead of working towards peace?

you always see vampyre slayers and hunters in movies
but, what most like to not think
they are real!!!
as meeting some myself...
i konw this

if we open up right now, w/ the number of us as it is, we will be picked off one by one...or even in small groups!
we must unite first...no one, no matter how daring, would dare to attack a group of grown/skilled vampyres!

if you tell everything about yourself, or give away all of the information you know, then others will be smarter than you!

no
exactly opposite
if we tell now, then we wont have a chance to make peace!

There are some things I think we should show but there are things that should only be shown to those who will understand it and not used in the wrong way to cause us harm.

please, dont curse like that.
and, for the record, im not newly awakened.

Point well taken my brothers. Brother let not his age upset you for it is our job to pull him aside and teach him not cyber yell at him cause he is still a fledgling and is still young to our kin and ways

i ask not for an appology, for i hold no grudges

and yes, i am young in age, yet, my awakening is the same age as am i.
but, my young age does hender my knowledge. and i accept that and open my ears.
i have posted only opinions. and about the wars, they are happening no matter.
have you heard not of ancient stories that foresee our current day future?
the stories about vampyres being scorned by the hateful human ear.
yes, many humans may understand, yet, the higher majority apose our well being.

i have been to this site u talk of and my opinion is you should keep what u are a secret it will only bring heartache,shame and humiliation to you and your family,friends and loved ones,there are things on that site that should not have been disclosed to anyone,such as the 13 rules of the coven,that should be kept secret,only the coven leaders should know them and the select people of that particular coven.

young people come here and see how other people act so they follow suit,so act ur age not ur i.q.be yourself and don't pretend to be something your not,that is just my personal opinion ,have a good day!!!!!

umm, who is that about???
like, what site are you talking aobut?

Dark Greeting's,Everyone has made valid point's,but like lownignitus hideing info at times make's thing's worse.For instance most natives do not wish to teach the "White Man" anything.The Lokota Wolf Clan is a teaching Clan,They believe whoever wish's to know should have the means to learn the way's. Yes people will misuse info that's how they learn,come on all of us have misused somrthin sometime in our life most likely with consequences,I have, As for a War,clans have been fighting with clans and other creature's for a very long time,may be if we all tried to get along in the community we could teach other's about who and what we are ,the Native Americans figured it out along time ago.They have Vamp's skin changer's Weindigo's ect.
Again just my 2 cent's worth.
Dark Greeting's,
KA

People tend to fear and oppose what they do not know or understand. Teaching most people will stop that. There will always be those who are not willing to accept those who are different from them. All of us are going to have to be intelligent enough to know who they are and avoid them.

i understand that, but what if the ppl that dont know just dont want to and are sooo fed up w/ their beliefs that they dont even listen to the "we are not evil! we come in peace" part?

Now I understand ok well I dont talk openly about who I am only here about being a vampyre mostly due to not having understood who/what I was before..I denied myself but I do understand the concepts of living a subculture I am also a Gay man so I get thing said to me and about me all the time that are untrue...People tend to believe what they want to believe and nothing I can say will make a differences for most..I hope only to well Help those that will learn that arent deluded..Not sure that is a good word but they dont want the truth the take a preconcieved idea of who or what I am and will run with that instead of learning the truth..Same goes for being a vamp I guess those out there that cant or wont think for themselves like sheep following others sometimes to there own doom.......
I hope that there are more like Paulo come to learn ..I know I have learned much and have a great many fantastic teachers available to me....
Kid though being kids do things sometimes that can hurt us but we cant live on the edge of a razor all the time..I know from expirience I've lived there not a comfortable place at all.....

yes
when i was born my mom was awakened, she still doesnt accept it, and that was 15 years ago!

OK, I seriously think that this thread has gotten a little off topic...anyway.

I am 18 years old. I am riticuled by other adults who dont understand my lifestyle. My boss at work always picked on me. One of my fellow employees "jokingly" stabbed at me with a pointed piece of broken pallet. You know, I wear all black as much as possible, I wear eyeliner, nailpolish, I have an ankh tattoo, my vampire tattoo, an ankh necklace and ring. And people think Im crazy. I always buy vampire related books. My own father tried to ban me from this website awhile back thinking I was gonna become another Jeffery Dahmer. "gee thanx dad, love you 2"

Why do people always have to be so narrow minded?

I can understand how some feel about being open to others about who you and what you are. I am probable older then most on this site and you can be open to others . But some times it comes with consequence. Sometime it is positive and sometimes it is negative. I have found in bigger towns cities and areas you can blend in better. The small area that I live in you would be met with a more negative response.

I have two seperate groups of friends for this reason. One group knows what I am, and the other doesn't. People tend to mix the groups, but I have my own way of feeling people out. I would reccomend starting asking about things like wicca and paganism, and using the occult in general to feel people out before gravitating to vampirism. Maybe this method would work for others. Either way, most do not need to know we exist. This is simply not a world willing to accept us on a large scale. Thank the movies for that.

my bad i thought u were talking about saguinarious.org,they have several topics on the black veil and i thought u were talking about that,never mind.

First of, you all raise some valuable points, but I think in order to live fully at peace we must focus on the two keywords Education and enlightenment, and that is the good thing about this site for instance, it is educational and a gold mine of info, if you are willing to take a little time to look. This is good for younger people in paticular, for they are often blinded by sleezy Hollywood productions and bestseller books.

There will unfortunatley always be the ones who will abuse kids or younger peoples facination, which is why education and enlightenment is more important than ever. This is NOT meant as a generalisation of any kind.

LownignitusWench, well said. If you hide your true nature to please people, you will be miserable, and if your friends or family or what ever cannot accept it, they are not worth your time.

Not saying you need to walk around with a neon sign saying "HEY I AM A VAMPIRE" but it is okay to tell. A good thing is giving people the time to get to know you, it will make the new info easier to swallow.

well said my sister well said but even if the person gets to know you have a good heart and are not evil sometimes telling them your true self can change them..

Perhaps my brother, but then, if they take it to personal or get to scared or change towards me, they are not worth my time or liking.

It is about apperance. Most people come to close to me or observe me, sense I am very different, I have a strong aura that they are drawn towards. I do not wear fake fangs, and my natural ones have been filed down so they almost look like normal teeths.

We have our lives and they have theirs, and everyone minds their own buisness. That has worked well for so long and it will continiue to to work.

Dark Greeting's all have good response,but we are who we are.
Dark Blessing's
KA

sometimes things should not be put in a public forum rather a specialized group..

~Shadowdancer~

Everyone knows how hard it is to keep a secret. Sometimes even when your questioning if it is right to revel something to someone you still do it. I don't think people always express who or what they are for the hope that they will be accepted, sometimes it's done in hopes of pushing others away or they feel that being as they are is a burden and by expressing it removes the feeling slightly because they don't feel they have to lie anymore even if it means opening themselves up for face to face tourment.

While I do not share this view or feeling I have learned through all sorts of experiences in life there is a time to speak and a time to just keep my mouth shut.

While perhaps I may be reading into this in a distorted fashion, its seems to me that this is a discussion on vampiric prejudice, or on prejudice in general and why we hide. This subject hits home for me in many ways. Im a "buy one get three free" coupon for prejudice peices of shit as a gay, draconic, vampire, witch I understand as well as anyone why we must keep a veil of secrecy. I have a few baby bats of my own who dont, or refuse to listen to me. And it pains me because they keep getting hurt, mentally, physically, and spiritually.
And yet, to play my own devils advocate, if we dont try to teach people that we are not evil, we dont eat babys and that science supports the fact that what we are actually isnt a figment of imagination, how then will we ever be able to quit living in the shadows? Prime example needed as to why this is a good idea?: Witches/Wiccans/Pagans. They came out in the late 50's/60's and worked through the prejudice, the pain and the hatred and now, they are widly accepted, left alone, and there are stores that services that are out there for them, publications, stores, support groups, pride days etc. Does is not stand to reason that if we are going to be here on earth for a while, that perhaps we might want to make things alittle more accessable, aka stores for things we need other than great clothes, ie, for those of us who carry the dease (proferia) and have no choice but to feed, blood....steral equipment for getting it etc.
The real choice isnt up to me, I know what I want, Ive been around long enough to want things to change. The real choice in this matter and discussion is up to you all.

Groith Dan

James
H.L. SSS

truw wisdom lies in knwoing thyself and understand whom you really are... while using the gifts you have inside....

if inforamtion is given to persons whom lack wisdom, they wont even understand it, thus there is nothing to fear.. only those enlighted shall understand it...

Only the soul is immortal... not the body ;)

I agree. I think that there are some things that should be kept away better. There are those within the site that do not need to see or read it.

Greetings to all my Brethren ... ::Bowing respectfully to all:: ...

I desire to first thank LOAN for initiating this thread ... its evolution into what it has become is precisely the purpose of what this site is meant for ... a resource to us all.

In my personal life, I have found the need for the polarization of my acquaintances ... and this I do to maintain the existance which I deem necessary for myself. I am, by nature and by profession, a counselor / psychotherapist ... but first and foremost, I am a Vampyre ... I am not an evil creature of the night that seeks out kine as chattle ...

I have no time for the ignorant few that have crossed my path and do not accept me or my kind ... To those who have interest and a desire to learn I find that I am caustiously open ... To those this lifetyle has chosen, I lead and I mentor ...

As to the young ones on this site, I have counseled several out of this life, for they had been mislead or misinformed ... and then there are those that I have taken on to mentor towards a healthy and satisfying existance ...

What troubles me are the numbers of psychiatrically challenged people that come to this site and take on the mantle in an unhealthy manner ... but this is not something that anyone can control ...

We are still charged with the responsibility of this life ... FOR WE ARE VAMPYRE!!!!!!!!

To this end I understand the need for the tenets of the Black Veil ... and for now, secrecy is just a method to an end ... one to which I will not see within this lifetime, nor perhaps the next ... but I pray it will come ...

There are many words that have been spoken here ... words that have further enlighted and educated me ... for this I am grateful to all ...

Go in peace, my brethren ... enrich and add to our history, for it is our legacy and our responsibility to our future ...

Be well ... ::Bows gracefully::

LORD RHIAKATH

Ah, indeed a fruitful thread, DrkEnchanterRS, but now I wish to state my opinion. Please bear in mind, this is pure opinion.

And I say this with the utmost respect to every elder in this room, for I have you to be grateful.

I am of the young, you speak of and debate over… and I have just recently realized what and who I am. At 14 years of age I’m still in the process of opening my mind, and getting in touch with the alternative reality. I couldn’t have done it with out the open information that had first spiked my interest.

I then searched for the knowledge that searched for me. Traveling to different places on the internet; looking for those who could bare me this knowledge. I have found many knew friends and many knew guides, some of which being on this very site. Without this open information and connections to others I would not be half the girl I am today, and I am still growing.

My dear brothers and sisters of Vampyre, the first thing I was taught as a Vampyre was FEAR is thee only boundary. I see your reason for fright and instincts to hide in the shadows of time… but alas; the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results; if we just cower away every time we cannot expect different results.

I do not say we should flaunt what we are everywhere, because I agree this is an extremely dangerous thing to do. But we should at least make the knowledge accessible to those in need. We should also make a movement to be better understood by the mainstream society… as much as I would hate to even converse with the closed minded individuals that lie within that stereo typical world. Perhaps if we slowly nudge this knowledge to them they wouldn’t be so closed minded… perhaps.

Once again; with all due respect.

-Kacey Lynn

I keep what I am fairly under wraps, telling only a select few, and with the utmost discretion. When I ascend to what is hopefully going to be a career as a lawyer, I will have to further masquerade, for my would be job possesses no room for such things, which are to be enjoyed when I am at home.


LordOfNoctemAeternus, I am sorry that your ex's mother stereotyped you in such a way- it is disgraceful how some can be so small minded.

Okay as I can see this is how it is: a group think y'all should spread around who y'all are and others think we should stay in hidding... well then here is an idea. We should make a boarding house/school for all vamps. Like a place where we can all stay and meet people like us. That way, it would be in news or whatever so people will know but we can also keep our secret within the group. That way both sides win... stupid but it was a idea. though it has really nothing to do with this...

Not a bad idea, in my opinion.

But then again, I'm on the other side of this 'Veil', so my opinion is not applicable.

I thought long and hard before replying to this thread.. actualy went through and read each response.. then thought about it over 2 cups of coffee.

If knowledge is power, well, some people don't need it, or don't know what to do with the power they have currently.

I took the time to look at the stats that are put out by VampireRave.com, and noticed, this public site gets alot of new people constantly, not to mention visitors. That would include the ignorant, or uneducated. Young, old, middle aged.. is neither here nor there in my opinion. Alot of the information here is very advanced, or for those that are experienced enought to know what to do with the information. Be that as it may, such information is now in the hands of an idiot or unpracticed person, who now runs around screaming he or she is vampire, or what have you, scares his/or her family into thinking she's been brainwashed, which then gets spread to their friends, psychiatrist, etc.. and now more ignorance is spread.

In my personal opinion, and im new here so that too may be an uneducated one, I think perhaps there should be a forum or section, that is only for those that have been here long enough to understand what they are reading. Being a public site, like it or not, there are fakes and posers.. thats everywhere and you cant get away from it.

I personaly am a loner. I can be very intimidating to some people, but I have that "If you dont like what I am, there's the fucking door" attitude. That tends to put people off. So I have maybe 2 friends, thats about it. However, when the questions arise about why I am the I am, or act in a manner I do from aquaintence's, my response is thats it is my personal choice, nor do I know them well enough to get that personal with them.

There are just some things, that shouldnt be out on an open forum.

Right now I am dealing with this very problem. My boyfriend's parents found out that I was a vamp, and he, my fledgling. They called me demon worshiper, got rid of all his things that made him who he is, and told him he couldn't see me. So he ran away. He is living with me now, and his parents are still pissed as all hell, and will not listen to reason.

Which is where my idea can come ito plan! (even though he is living with you) run away's can stay at the boarding house and if still a younger person and still in school, they can take their classes at the school ^_^ aw this is a great idea! I so wanna see this come to life. This shall be my new dream goal in life!

This may be a little off topic, but as a responsible V, but unless a minor is in physical danger - I personaly do not believe running away is the appropriate answer. Nor is the harboring of them.

The problem more in comes from parents unable to accept that their grown child's lifestlye or beliefs are their own. (That doesnt include the Ted Bundy types).

Vampyre or not, as a mother.. if someone harbored my child.. "Hell Come's Forth" is the understatement.

This leads me to only wonder what information the parents had to take such an approach. Course.. Vampire Parenting.. is a whole nother topic.

well I am far from being a V. but what could you do (besides run away) if your parents think you crazy or whatever? I mean, you really have nothing there so why not leave? But if you are older, it doesn't matter

People in general try to destroy what is different that doesn't conform becuase they do not understand. Children often out of curiousity pick topics to explore that catch thier interest an din such , they see thier parents untill the late teenage years as all knowing. In such they present such interests before thier parents. I personally have come to understand we cannot hate or dislike a creature for its nature or we are no better then they are. To prove through action we are by all standerds f living better creatures becuase talk is cheap, then eventually the seeds we planted grow and they come to terms with it.

Dawncross - Which brings us back to the topic. The information on which people find online that just shouldnt be out there, or read by people who have the experience to know what they are reading.

A parent, or even someone unfamiliar with V, sees a topic or subject line that reads "Torrow Night's Blood Ritual" - and I can gaurantee you, stereotyping and assumptions come into play, the site is closed, and all hell breaks lose - and then featured on the 11pm news as satanic worshippers hunting down your children. Drastic? yes.. but is has happened.

Again, which is why I believe that some information, is best kept not shared on a public site.

well then people stop spilling your hearts out about your life and being a V! Thats is the only problem I see... I mean, if they weren't not intreseted in Vs then why would they be on the sites, plus.... i hope nothing like that is ever on the news lol and I don't understand your comment, can you explain it more?

Okay nevermind I think I get ya. But then again, most of the people posting sites about V are not really one themselves and are people who like attention... Most things you see online are not true always and also: I think things of the nature (the Blood Ritual thing) shouldn't be posted on a site where everyone can get to. Or even online at all! Things like that should be told in private. So I understand that much yes, but like many other people think, if people don't fin gout who y'all really are, they are just gonna com eup with mor eand more lies and when someone finally does tell, they are probablly gonna kill 'em cause of what they heard. So by not saying anything, you really making it worst cause now they are just gonna say "well I guess it is true that V do such and such" but I also don't think you should post BLOOD PARTY @ SO AND SO'S HOUSE TONIGHT! on the web... so I have neither side I guess

wow I am glad to see so many diff Views on this...Ok to my young sister there are places where vamps come together with others of the blood. as far as you say age should not matter , but in my eyes it should , Why do to the face as another sister stated that if it were her child she would raize hell I have a House for all vamps to come together in Va but noone under 18 can ut there parents say so.. there are things that are not for the young in this way of life at all, some things are sexual and souldonly be for those of age! sorry that is just the way it is I am not saying to just turn our backs on the young but we should teach them what is legal to be on the safe side I have seen many times on the news about so called kin getting with a young girl and doing things they had no right doing and saying its do to the fact that he or she are vampyres, now understand this it is do to people like that , that fuck it up for the rest of us. please forgive my words!

Yours in blood and shadow
Ryu Noctem Aeternus

I understand about the sexual thing but that doesn't mean you should really block them out cause of age. I get why you do in a way but still... If you start wot maybe 15. those three years mean a bunch! most kids get into stuff at that age and showing them what they are trying to be will either get them into it and they will stick with it or they will lose intrest. So if they should be any age limit I think it should be lowered. And I am not just saying that cause I am 15, but I know thats when people look for who they are and they try to define themself... so would 15 be that bad to have with you?

DawnCross,

I fully appreciate what you are saying, which is effective so long as the person involved understands the consequences of their actions, both legal and moral.

Reading and questioning at a young age are absolutely essential, but we have plenty of time left to experience later on, barring an early exit.

Boy, this one needs its own thread. :)

Do I think that all information should be with-held from the public about V. No. If I did, I wouldnt be here. Basic, General and Informative information, absolutely.

Safe, Sane, Consensual - not just for the D's. Though I believe that the word Legal should be added in some regards.

In many of the posts that I have seen around the internet that give out information, the S.S.C. has generaly been left out.

Hence my view Dawncross - that most of the information that requires experience to understand it, should be at the very least temerped or not put out at all.

"One doesnt learn how to cut the cake, until they learn the basics to make it"

I understand y'alls view but just one little question: should we base someones knowledge on what they KNOW not of their age? What y'all are saying is with age comes understnading and everythin yeah i get that, but don't you think there are some cases where even a 13 year old can be very wise at this? I mean I didn't spend 3 years of my life reading about wicca and researching it and making sur eit was what I wanted to do for nothing! I am not questioning y'all cause of my age and yes, I do find it not fair the law says 18 is legal for whatever... but sorry if I caused drama lol I will leave now =P

My dear brothers and sisters… I will re-post my last response, for I believe it fits perfectly right here.

“Ah, indeed a fruitful thread, DrkEnchanterRS, but now I wish to state my opinion. Please bear in mind, this is pure opinion.

And I say this with the utmost respect to every elder in this room, for I have you to be grateful.

I am of the young, you speak of and debate over… and I have just recently realized what and who I am. At 14 years of age I’m still in the process of opening my mind, and getting in touch with the alternative reality. I couldn’t have done it with out the open information that had first spiked my interest.

I then searched for the knowledge that searched for me. Traveling to different places on the internet; looking for those who could bare me this knowledge. I have found many knew friends and many knew guides, some of which being on this very site. Without this open information and connections to others I would not be half the girl I am today, and I am still growing.

My dear brothers and sisters of Vampyre, the first thing I was taught as a Vampyre was FEAR is thee only boundary. I see your reason for fright and instincts to hide in the shadows of time… but alas; the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results; if we just cower away every time we cannot expect different results.

I do not say we should flaunt what we are everywhere, because I agree this is an extremely dangerous thing to do. But we should at least make the knowledge accessible to those in need. We should also make a movement to be better understood by the mainstream society… as much as I would hate to even converse with the closed minded individuals that lie within that stereo typical world. Perhaps if we slowly nudge this knowledge to them they wouldn’t be so closed minded… perhaps.

Once again; with all due respect.

-Kacey Lynn”

“Under no circumstances allow anyone under 18
to be initiated into a house of any kind, attend Quabals, undertake ordeals,
or gain access to any outer or inner teachings”
-LordOfNoctemAeternus

Dear LONA, I agree it is very dangerous… but if you look at what I have wrote earlier I have searched and searched to gain the teachings and teachers I have. I may be 14 but I am fully aware and ready for what is to come. I think perhaps there should be a small group… to find the younger ones to teach. Then, once they become of age they can truly join… but not a minute before. I know you are just being cousious, but please; don’t shut the future generations out completely. They are the ones to carry forth this knowledge through time, and to hold what you give them until they can hand it down to the next.

-Kacey Lynn

It is actually against the law to let underage persons into houses and covens.

On another note, it is not about ability but responsibility. You need to be responcible not only for the good desicions, but also for the bad ones.

Furthermore; it does not matter how much you have searched or read or for how long. It is about beeing able to transform everything you have learned and put it to practice. It is not about reading and understand, it is about understanding what you have read, and NO they are two very diffrent things, though they sound alike.

Ah, I see...

And excuse me if I sounded redundant, or offensive to anybody. I get cought up in my rants sometimes...

It is okay velvetrose, no offence taken, at least by me.

I have met youngsters that are very well gifted, but I was not willing to teach them, and here is why.

Like said before, when you are at that age, hormones races through your body, and your mind is in constant battle, accepting and adapting to rights and wrongs, not only by law or moral, but also by own experiences, and to be trained and practise demands 100% concentration and focus on the task you are facing, and that is not possible when your body and mind is already working overload.

I was awakened in a really young age as well, do I know how hard it can be to control for example evil spirits, and prevent heavy spells from failing. Luckily, as I have aged, I have gained more control and that is why I think the law is a great one.

The reason we hide our true nature is because we fear to fall out of the "average group", and even some adults have a hard time living under a cloud of secrets, so it must be even harder for teenagers, as an exsample, not saying it is so.

It takes discipline to follow this pillar. I trust noone. I am in constant masquerade. As a soldier it would be highly difficult to find undertanding and acceptance. My level or trust is very minimal. I think that the "Veil" should be posted somewhere here...I am new to the site and have not seen it..maybe I just haven't searched enough here.

velvetrose my young sister you where not
offensive to me I like that you speak your mind with respect..and thank you for doing so.
To the sister above well said there are many dam good points on this thread I am glad to see it going on in such a manner I thank you all I will be posting other pillars of the Black Veil to open Discussions on them aswell to get the views of you all..

well hurry up brotha! lol
this one is getting old...
not that ppl dont have a good opinion or anything, but i mean, it is starting to bore me, some of them are sortof saying things already stated.

My apologies for the boredom, Paulo, but it is a subject that does need discussing.

Thank you for thy kind words LONA, but I still have one thing to ask of you and the other elders here.

I do understand what everyone is saying, by not letting the young in on the heavy magick and knowledge. But I still do believe there should be a small opening for the few gifted young ones to come into. A group that teaches LIGHT teachings; just enough to spark interest and get the children started on their own spiritual quest. I know hormones are a bit crazy at this age, and we should not over burden them with knowledge… but at least give them a chance to begin.

-Kacey Lynn

Getting too long.

RIP

Mistress Moreish