Throughout history peoples perception of a higher power has been typically identified in 3 ways if they deify a humanoid representation as their higher power. .
As a male.
As a female.
Androgynous.
Which one do you believe and why?
Our why is this a ridiculous question and how would it be better explained?
It is not always humanoid representations that are being invoked, although ultimately, it is of a humanoid figure that we think of when faced with such personification. Just look at St Thomas Aquinas's hierarchy of angels. These angels have names, and in portrayals are humanoid representations. However, when it comes to technicalities, these different ordered angels do not look anything like humans. They are lights, with different number of wings. These humanoid representations bring some aspect of understanding down to our level so we can grasp that idea.
I hcome from a Hindu background and I do not quite gel with it. I have seen various personifications of the different aspects of the human experience. Wisdom, Anger, Love, Wealth, Envy... You name it. Every culture has its own mystical nature. There is however a larger non-mystical following of any culture.
Ultimately, all these Gods and Goddesses help to raise the level of our Imagination. We're working a Psyche-oriented part of our brains when trying to fathom the different Gods and Goddesses.
Hindu belief in Gods or Goddesses and Western Culture vary greatly.
Hindus appear to anthropormorphize their gods, such as Ganesh, as well as incorporating humanoid type figures, but they also have a great number of androgynous representations, such as Shiva.
The Western mindset, be it Wiccan or Christianity, has always puzzled me regarding the need to place sexual identification characteristics on their God/Goddess.
Mother Gaia. Father/Son/Holy Ghost.
Or the infamous Baphomet of HipHop illuminati satanism.
I am searching to find a consensus, and to see how many people now reject a masculine godhead.
I don't see how the general idea changes, tbh.
A mother (female) represents warmth, compassion, forgiveness and other gentler qualities. Except if you're speaking of Goddesses of war and the like.
A father would be more masculine, imparting some form of value/principle/teaching.
Then, there's the unity of both aspects, signifying strength, harmony and such.
I don't disagree with you on the general idea being different, but what IS different is the means by which ritual and dogma are applied and therefore it becomes necessary to identify sex- either, or , or perhaps both. eiher/or.
My point in making this post was in hoping to see a veritable plethora (meaning overabundance) of individual's who identify with the Goddess.
There seems to be a trend toward this, and I don't know if it's a return to the archaic, pre-historical beliefs where women were venerated due to their being the true givers of life, and their monthly cycles acting as a calender of sorts acting in concert with the moon cycles and and the greater cycles of the solstice, equinox and the 26,000 year cycle of precession.
The male figure head God is a recent introduction beginning with the oral tradition of Judaism, where Abraham chose Yahweh as his primary God of all those in the pantheon of Gods/Goddesses found in Canaan.
And of course the gnostics of the my humanistic mystery schools identify this higher power typically through a combination of both male and female. Such as the Baphomet.
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Being male and female, we have best misinterpreted the God in our image.
I hope that this does not come across as petty monotheistic, but any form of god/goddess is not capitilized unless one is refering to a singular unknowable Creator, because in english you capitalize proper nouns, and it is not disrespectful to gods and goddesses, to use small case g.
Except of course with Ganesh.
Who I should like to say is not an anthropomorphic god, his head was removed and replaced by the head of the first beast they found.
Hindu "gods" in my experience are not true gods, the way polytheists typically think of them; they are godheads, or aspects of a singular Deity. The tales of these gods are representitive of an aspect of Deity, or of a path to Nirvana, or a truth about the son of man.
I see no more failing in calling God, the Goddess, however I prefer nongender specific words like the Unknowable, the Wise, the Most Glorious, &c.
I believe that all gods of all religions represent aspects of an unknowable God. Mankind interprets these deities in the manner they can comprehend, although, I believe that all mention of dieties have come from God-sent prophets, in accordance with Deities desire for our knowledge of God to be a solace to us; precisely as atheists suspect is the purpose of gods. There being a great difference between the purpose of God, and the purpose for knowing of God.
I simply believe in Universal energy, that all are connected and bound to the Universe. The Universal Conscious develops and grows ever expanding as we learn and grow.
The Gods & Goddesses to me are the messengers and the go betweens. They help keep the Universe in balance and teach us what we need to learn to grow and develop, keep us connected with each other and the Universal Consciousness.
God or Godess, uncertain but I lean towards Gaia as a female entity.
Why, because you do not listen you are more wrapped up in corporate domination, Korea and slating Russia than looking at the bigger picture.
I recall a Poll in 2010 about the next disaster, the Jet stream was featured. I believe we discussed an Arkstorm in C.A.
Amongst other far worse scenarios.
I am willing to Wager everybody would stop fighting if AR1967 Blew up?
Perhaps I am wrong but I am genuinely interested in honest opinions, the Watchmen seemed to agree.
Not sure, as I consider myself an agnostic.
I'd like to say that if the supreme deity was female, the world's strife would have been tended to a long time ago.
(Like a mom protecting her children from harm). Why let suffering continue to go on? Some will say that we have to learn lessons from life; I say that when it comes to suffering, we have learned enough over the centuries.
The continue evil, suffering, etc makes no sense to me.
Goddess because they worked so much magic for me and answered a lot :)
I believe in the three you mentioned above.
A God as great and wise as he may be, Is like a Father.
Women are creatures out of the hands of a God. Only a female deity could be the leading light to us.
A Goddess, thus a Mother.
They could be both in one as well, like the force of nature is neither masculine nor feminine.
But there is indeed a Goddess.
The Mother of us all.
To calm the guilt of the mind, some must believe in something. Can be a God Or a Goddess or both. Those Goddess and those Gods, can, in according with the believer, bring them into a place of Harmony and Love, after the actual existence stop. Everything is just like a puzzle, if you truly believe, then, you will be recompensed.
Lets; not forget that few of the religions are monotheistic. There re many that are polytheistic, some don't even personify like The Taoist, or Buddhism. Gods are drafted by man.
Isn't it evident when all the gods, and goddess fall for human (mortal) dilemmas?
What do you think differentiates a God/Goddess from a Demon/Demoness. Rarely have I come across a Demoness in my readings. Usually the Heads of elements are personified as males, for example the King of the winds, Pazuzu, who is believed to be one of the 3 sons of the Sumerian God, Hanbi. Why do you think this is so?
That is a really good line of thought lordess.
You have an innate talent to engage is a way as to make someone actually have to think.
That is a really good thing.
Immediately the first demoness that comes to mind is Llith/Lilitu.
But even she is a controversial figure and her status as a demon can be debated.
I plan on doing some reading into this and getting back to you lordess.
Thanks for the reply.
I believe in the old Norse gods: Odin, Freyja, Thor, Loki, etc., simply because they work best for me and I feel connected to them. I am Dutch too, which lies close to Scandinavia, so I feel as if I'm supposed to.
I think all gods/goddesses are the same entity, but given other names. I see each deity as one.
Considering there were Gods way before one God was a concept, I generally try to stick to my roots and believe that every culture has links to one another as far as the divine goes. I would trust what is fact shown, such as similar building construction, similar Gods that mimic another God from another ancient culture, etc. Those things are hard to ignore and to turn away from.
@ Lordess...
I have been thinking about your question- what differentiates a god or goddesses from a demons or demoness, and I would really say nothing.
Take Yahweh or the G-d of the old testament (I love reading Jewish scholarly work where they refuse to write the work God), in my very humble opinion he is a demon.
But only because he has a penchant for killing people unmercifully, plays favorites and flat out tells Job that he is God so accept it and deal with it.
Lucifer or Satan or Shaitan or whatever you want to call the supposed demon of the old testament, I find that 'God' much more appealing to worship than Yahweh.
One makes me wait for my rewards that I might or might not get if I do or maybe not to heaven.
It's really all up to this Yahweh character.
But with Lucifer (my preferred deity) I get it all NOW.
I don't have to wait ever.
In fact, that is Lucifer's whole point, waiting is a mind game played by Yahweh BECAUSE Yahweh IS the demon.
The story of Lilith is very similar.
The story seems to be told that Lilith was banished from the garden for wanting equality with Adam.
But in reality, Lilith was banished from the Garden for speaking the name of God out loud and gaining the power that comes with it.
It wasn't the wanting of equality that she was punished for, but for uttering the name of God.
(even scholars will tell you that her search for equality was why she was punished, but she wasn't punished until she spoke God's name and escaped the Garden)
So once again we have Yahweh dispensing punishment simply because someone is seeking their JUST rewards.
Satan seems like a pretty straight up fellow, in my humble opinion, and Yahweh is the trickster on steroids.
Here is an interesting video that I found on Lilith while I was searching information to give you an answer.
And I also agree with your reasoning for asking questions lordess.
It's not so much that I want to know the correct answer to questions that I ask, but I like to hear what individual's answer to particular questions.
It gives you insight into who you are dealing with.
your gods, or goddesses,creator,devils, Angels they are all names for one importent power called love. Its in each person. So thats why it is sometimes she or he. Even it. It can be in in evry one of us. We are all part of it. Sometimes is in shape from wolf,cat,bear,butterfly, fly, river, tree, stone,... It is evry shape and color. The ultimate energie Love. People are just to stupid to see,hear of feel it.
Not a rediculous question, but one born of a human perspective.
I think none of the above, so perhaps "other" is best.
Why so, because breaking bread on a higher plain is not like anything here on Earth.
To quote another here on VR, "If it did not work I would have given up years ago"
a gestalt concsiousness, The One... The Green...
neither sexual, no asexual... It's just... The One.
Gestalt, I had to look that one up. I kinda like it though.
Even the definition is ambiguous, on one hand referring to conditions of insanity, on the other, higher states of organisation.
I like the concept, reminds me of Johnny Depp"its amazing how often genius and lunacy coincide"
The key is to turn the frontal lobes into quantum processors, doing multiple accelerated tasks rather than just the usual options a) b) or c).
Who knows who or what is lurking in the quantum world.