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The title states itself how do you think a ghost is created??

I mean does it have to leave a imprint of itself on earth or has it not finished what it was meant to do??

Was there some demon that was in the person forcing them to stay??




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i do know you can make one same as we make our servitors

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa102201a.htm



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I imagine that something attaches them to hear. Perhaps something on their part, or even on part of a living person.

Sometimes a poltergeist is continued by others even after the agent has settled.



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What do you mean Dabbler??

And lavisbre what do you mea sertivors??



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Like a tether of sort, I image they have a limited amount of energy to interact with the living realm, and that is the residual energy plus the energy drawn from the living.

so a vacuum may be "pulling" them outward all the time, if they are weighted or tethered then they may linger.



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In my opinion ghosts are still here due to being tied to a place for some reason. Whether they died suddenly and don't realize they should move on, or perhaps they have something left "undone" here on Earth.



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I liked the response above me. Sometimes they cannot find the light and their are people with the ability to guide them to the light.

Some may stay to protect what they think still is their home.



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I think it would vary to type of ghost as well, Apparitions, Geist, Collective (example zeitgeist).



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I pretty much expressed my ideals on this in another thread but I'll say it again. lol

I believe that ghosts are made by us.... Seems like a crazy idea, I know, but hear me out.

We only use 10% of our brains, right? That's what we're told anyway. I think it's a damn shame that the rest of it isn't used..... unless it is and we don't know it. Look at the woman who lifted the truck off of her daughter just to save her. Look at the soldiers who push through massive trauma and bleeding and keep on saving their battle buddies without even noticing that they themselves are even hurt. Look at those of us who have seen our loved ones come back from the other side.. the ones who seem to always mimic our strongest emotion at the time.

I believe that ghosts are as we make them. Let's say that your mother was to die right now (assuming you she's not gone yet and that you really do love her of course). You'd be understandably upset, angry, depressed, betrayed... all sorts of feelings. Now, the people who feel these emotions more strongly than others and have trouble letting them go... those are the ones who normally see ghosts. Them and those under extreme stress.

Any-who, normally, if the person is extremely depressed then the ghosts will seem to be sad as well. That's when you get the wailing or moaning ghosts. Or say that the person is extremely angry at the death of the loved one. That's when you get poltergeists. They mimic your anger and "act out" so that you don't have to.

Again, these are just my opinions. I try to force my ideals on no one. Take them as you see fit and do what you like with them. =^_^=



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I think it can be a number of diffrent reasons but most off all I think it is a imprint of a person who just wants what we have, life.



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That is an interesting thought Ms. Penquins-of-E.D. Maybe it is us (the living) that create ghosts. That some people can pick up the footprints of what was once there, like a dog can smell on a blade of grass all the other dogs who have been there. Then these strangely gifted can pick up these footprints and somehow create an apparition from the traces.

Then a ghost is just a recording in the grass amplified through the mind and returning as psychic energy. The observer of the ghost is creating the ghost.


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Exactly! I knew someone would get it! Thank you! lol.. Maybe I'm not the only crazy one here after all? lol



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KRRC?? response was the only one that made any sense and I agree with him



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Yeah I agree with KRRR too 'cause y'know

Er, I met this ghost in, about eight years back and, er, he come up with the name of 'John Smith'. He come up to me. He said, "I'm John Smith and I, I do non-stop haunting."

The fucker. I said, "You do non-stop haunting?" He said, "Yeah." I said, "Why, why have you, why have, why are you not haunting now?"

He said he's out of a job, between Astral planes. So I said, "All right, Non-Stop Haunter, .....

.... start haunting." And do you know what he did?

He started haunting.



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#I am a Cockney ghost .....
# ..... I like to haunt all night
#I haunt, what,- ehh'ne'hm'err'h
#And in my mother's tights



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I also agree with KCRC. Most religious leaders will admit that the spirit world/realm is very much alive.
I believe that when someone is taken too sudden or die violently that they can remain not just so protect loved ones but to also seek out their killer(s).
I've seen many horrific deaths with my rescue department and there's no way in hell I believe that some of them still don't remain.



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i think ghosts are more of a spiritual thing. and i dont thinkl their here cause they have "unfinished"buisness on the planet.i think they choose to be here.because if they do have unfinished buisness how are they going to finish it? they cant speak or move things.and yes theres people that say ghosts talk to them or give them signs that their there.but how do we know that their speaking the truth.so i think its more that ghosts are here to protect more then to just scare us.



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1. What are ghosts?

When a person dies only his physical body ceases to exist. His subtle body (consisting of the subconscious mind, intellect, ego and soul, i.e. minus the physical body) however continues to exist and moves on to the other regions of the universe. Refer to the picture below for more detailed view of what we are comprised of and what we leave behind after death.

2) Ghosts by definition meet all of the following criteria:

* They are subtle bodies.

* They belong to the nether region (Bhuvaloka) or one of the seven regions of Hell but they are found on Earth region too. This is because ghosts from the more subtle regions of the universe can travel to the more gross ones like Earth at will.

* They do not exist in the positive planes of the universe i.e. Heaven and above.

* They have unfulfilled desires such as cravings for sex, alcohol (things that they can only experience through a physical body), revenge etc.

*They derive pleasure out of exerting control over and tormenting humans and other subtle bodies. Their general aim is aligned with bringing about unrighteousness in society.

3) The subtle body of a person after physical death is defined as a ghost if their characteristics and intentions match the above. There is no special process as such which they go through to become a ghost.

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What are ghosts and how does a person become one?



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I think many spirits may dwell here for their attchment to life or the fear of moving on and find solutude in this place. many spirits are lingering not even knpowing they are in death, I do believe.



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To me a ghost is no more than an imprint left behind on replay.

Spirits on the other hand, may stay, leave or visit now and again depending on their needs.



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At this time I personally feel it has nothing to do with unfulfuilled desires or whatnot.If that were the case almost everyone would be a ghost.
What I think possibly happens is a person passes away within a certain frequency(electromagnetics within a certain range at the moment of death around the person) that basically allows the essence of the peep to remain somewhat intact to reside and migrate within that freq. range or Torsion field.Sometimes,when we stumble into a vicinity resonating within said range,we inadvertantly make contact and catch glimpses of it.
Some peeps however ,tend to resonate at the freq. often, and see them frequently.
Theres much more to it,but that is the jist of it.



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"To me a ghost is no more than an imprint left behind on replay."

Same sortof thing Sinora,their essence becomes,as everything does,a part of the supposed akashic record..or Torsion.Which sometimes we can see.



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Ghost seek only to be content.

I left out one type of ghost, possessive ghost, which brings me to another question, to consider as well.




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Now this statement is quite a turn for you Dab..what makes you say that?



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Theatrical/performed ghost can be considered hauntings, depending on the purpose for the crafting of the apparition, or effect. The witness to the performance is likely to be convinced they saw a ghost.



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ok,fair enough..but if you were to consider that ghosts are real ,any ideas as to how they might be created?



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Well two things first.

1.I am glad to see so many really good answers thank you all for putting them.

2.I am pleased that I have a thread out that has provided such a good discussion and hope you all have enjoyed it.



Now moving on.......

Now I ask you all have stated what you think ties a ghost to earth but yet only one of you has stated why you think that is the reason they are tied.

I ask now to the people who have posted and those wanting to why do you think those are the reasons why they are tied to the earth???


And all so To Everyone,

What do you think the purpose would drive someone to wanting to remain on the planet Earth I mean I am sure for the people that believe in any sort of religion or wicca or some other that there is a afterlife.

So why would after all that studying and work would they want to remain here??

*What is the point I mean waste of time if I say so myself*



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Wolf,I feel they are tied for the most part because of the Earth's magnetic field. Our essence is pretty much electromagnetic..And if thats the case,it might be a little tough to find your way out of this..

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Oceanne...very nice graphic to go with your response...I believe that ghosts remain here for a purpose...maybe it is to stay close to the ones they love or to send us a message. I am not sure what their real purpose is but do know that they exist.



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Thank you..
But with their purpose aside,how do you fell they might come into being?



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The way I see it,there are many aspects to this.Including the spiritual side.Which I wont even begin to touch on right now.But all in all,I pretty much think its a natural process and occurence that causes this to happen.Not really anything to do with what we might desire.



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NO!!

Anyone who says they can talk with your loved ones is a liar, and if they make money, then they are thieves. Those you love are food for worms, or go to a better place, or... , but they do not become ghosts.


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Why do you make such a statment BORK??


My opinion Oceane,

Well yes I seem to have left out mine sorry for that.

But anyways I believe that I can give no answer that is valid enough to make a concrete statement because I have not died yet so therefore have not had a reason for which to stay.

But I will say this that if I died and for some reason stayed on earth then it would have to be because all of the incconents who stay in harms way.

I have always wanted to dedicate myself to the helping of others so therefore would probably be the thing I would stay for.



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Memorial Metaphors, ghost? If we are tethered by a finite thread to those we connect with in life, then could it be imagined that that thread could be the tether, that keeps a ghost from drifting of the plane? or could the attraction from those that are alive be a factor as well. There needs to be something to account for the lack of an overwhelming population of ghost. We would be overwhelmed and disturbed immensly from ghost presence, So why I imagine it to be that way.. something keep me from passing .. it could have been a tug..



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How would you feel a ghost though Dabbler especially if they have no relation to you???



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NO!!

Anyone who says they can talk with your loved ones is a liar, and if they make money, then they are thieves. Those you love are food for worms, or go to a better place, or... , but they do not become ghosts."

Im a little startled by Bork's statement as well.
And in light of it,I find myself wanting to say..proove they dont exsist..and if you cant,perhaps show at least one bit of evidence that could at least suggest they dont.
According to what I presented,and believe me,that is only one pic of stacks of evidence that I have that could lend quite a bit of credence to what I have proposed.Not that I care what anyone chooses to believe,but it sure would be nice to see something other than name calling and a stand alone opinion such as that with not one thing to back it up.Sorry,dont mean to be harsh,but this is a great subject ,I would be really dissapointed to see it hijacked because of statements like that.



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I see your point oceane,

Thank you kindly but I must ask why do you study so much on the knowlegde of ghosts I mean to say what use do you find attaining such knowledge??



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Very good question, I personal imagine ghost are far more subtle then what most like to think, I would imagine a ghost to "feel" like a memory. There are different expectation of ghost as well, some expect ghost to be disturbing, sentimental, disruptive. so a ghost existing simple as a person imagines it to exist, does not always assure that that person sees/encounters a ghost. I find as a haunter that if three people are in the group and only one sees the effect, that at least one out of the two will claim to have witnessed it as well. The number of claims for ghost sightings is overwelming.. yet some are anecdodal, or faulty digest, I feel that this is people attempting to create ghost. The motive to me is what creates a ghost, if some bed and breakfast is slowing down in business, then a ghost sighting/story creation will beef up biz.



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Almost forgot to post what I originally was when I got my undies in a knot.

Anyway,I wanted to address the comment on why there arent more reports and overwhelming ghosts? One reason could be the sheer size of the mag field.Not every ghost is going to be in one place at one time,nor would they all flow around us in one current.It could also help explain why we might not see a ghost all the time as to only occasionally.If you look at the way our magnetic flow,you can see why this would be so.



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So dabbler do you mean to say a ghost can be like a figment of ones imagination or like a invisible friend like in Hide and seek the movie??


Could you find a website for this thread besides the one above oceanne??



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So ghost should be able to register if possessing a channal on an MRI would that case be made by what you mention?

I would think a medium would have a magnetic charge as well. Not being to keen on mediums I doubt one will under go such studies.



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Ahh you got me ..but I will answer your question as best I can.I love knowledge..of any kind.I love this planet and desire to know everything I can about how it works.However,interestingly,my research had really nothing to do with ghosts persey,but with the earth and space,their processes and energies.How it effects us and how we effect it.And it just so happens,that during my research,I kept.and keep finding things that in my mind,explain a great deal as to how some things could actually happen.Not just out of thin air or from belief or "paranormal" reasons,but solid probabilities ..So now I am full bore,and having a great time with it too.Its just fun stuff.And I like fun.



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I am more into a source of the soul being light, so with that as light becomes more brillant it is more diffused from the "box" , I imagine that we cast our light when we die, and that others may be aware of the vacuum created by our light in transition.. yet the "sparks" we share with them do not fade away like snap, so getting those moments to reflect and using all the trace memories to get the after glow, is plenty, but would I want others grieving me here when I pass, I would hope they let me pass.



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I see thank you for your answer oceanne.^_^

As to you Dabbler yes that is to some extent what I mean but why do you believe somebody would make up a ghost.

*Besides money*



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"So ghost should be able to register if possessing a channal on an MRI would that case be made by what you mention?

I would think a medium would have a magnetic charge as well. Not being to keen on mediums I doubt one will under go such studies."

Oh,Im pretty sure someone will find a way to research this on a steady basis..but what makes it tough is the fact that it doesnt happen consistantly..again because of the nature of energies involved.



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Dabbler's thought on connection is pretty much right on..everything is connected in some way,no matter how distant..jmho.



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They may have loose ends with the person, some see others with assurance and they may not, so if they failed to take the time to ask questions, they are likely to create ghost. They may want to believe that the person that past was intent on connecting with them, that would be ego centric. Some want ghost for memorial reasons, like cematery projectionist, and spirit photographers exploit. A story comes to mind of a moor apparition, and the joint purpose it served, I think I mention that in my journal.



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Final questions Dabbler,

Where have you gotten all thgis information??

I mean why have you studied it??



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While I was a ghost. I have been a believer, I have studied Dr. Nandor Fodor, and some of his students.

I wanted to separate the sensationalism from the subtle assurance that some have.



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ok...those are debateable reasons..but Im going to stay in the nitty gritty of this thing..HOW are they created.By what mechanism ..What in our universe could actually cause it to manifest?

Thought?

God?

A demon as was suggested in the original post?

The will of the spirit?

ok thats all well and good.
But I dont think so.
You suggested light earlier..Yes,light is a very big factor,as is frequency..(just remember,Im not telling you this is the way it really is,as it is all speculative on my part)
But thats what Id like to know..so what you suggest could not really cause a ghost to come into being as I see it.Not in themselves.However...a couple of the things you mention could be part of the overall process maybe.I wont discount that.




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I state I imagine, because such things to me, I accept to be metaphysical , there for I leave them to my imagination. I am not convinced that any one way is more likely to occur here in the physical universe. Those that do I find to be prone to sensationalism.



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"I wanted to separate the sensationalism from the subtle assurance that some have. "

KK and now that you have? Any suggestions as to how it happens? Or how the ones you have suggested might cause it to happen?



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How what happens?



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Hey here is a suggestion maybe a ghost stays on earth when they are rejected from heaven??



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I brought that up, in another thread, when someone suggested that you could just mention the name of God and banish them.. hehe Agents of Purgatory.. another name for ghost collectors..



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Why would someone collect ghosts though??



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"How what happens? "
How a ghost might be formed.Or brought about.You know,like a process that turns water into steam? What causes the water to turn into steam...what would or could actually cause a ghost?



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Is a ghost like a misty form??



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A ghost is the left over imprint that a person leaves behind after they die.

Or ...


you could go with the whole Harry Potter view.


A ghost is created when someone who is about to die is afraid to do so, thus leaving their spirit behind when they die.



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ok..so how you think that imprint is made...and imprinted on what?



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When a person dies, their spirit gets attached to a certain place -- a place they were close too. Ghosts, from what I've read, haunt buildings. Not other things.



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Which view do you believe Distortion??



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I believe when a person dies they leave behind an imprint of their soul. I don't think this is possible with everyone though.



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When a person dies, their spirit gets attached to a certain place -- a place they were close too. Ghosts, from what I've read, haunt buildings. Not other things.

Any ideas as to how this happens?



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And you go on to state that it isnt possible with everyone...Why would that be?



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If someone has a strong enough attachment to a place, maybe they don't wish to leave it.



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And your second question is somewhat obvious. Not everyone wants to be here. Take for example some religions. When they die they believe they'll move on to heaven. A paradise which is far better than earth.


Some people simply just don't want to exist.



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Actually it wasnt all that obvious to me otherwise I wouldnt have wasted your time by asking..but now that you say it..it makes sense.



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Well .. I didn't say it was obvious to everyone. ;] But I should have stated it earlier thus making more sense.



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One reason a Spirit not ghost would remain tied to the physical plane could be fear.

How many people alive now are held back in their lives through fear ?



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True..but what about the whole thing about no more fear or pain or sorrow once we pass?



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And even though it could give us a reason as to why,,it still doesnt tell us how they are made.



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Maybe fate went wrong somewhere and someone died who wasn't supposed to, so they stay to fulfil their purpose.
Obviously some ghosts never do though...



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The fear we must all deal with is the fear of moving on.

If we can't or wont do that then the help of guides etc wont move us.

The fear I was speaking of was that of leaving behind material things, some people just can't or wont.



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ok I understand..but one thing Ill mention..is that when they found me frozen in my car.and I was clinically dead..and five days later I woke up,I began to remember a few things..and the one thing that stuck in my mind was how I cared about nothing that pretained to this world.



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And fate...now that brings up a whole nother thread.:D

Bottom line is,for me,I do believe that there are processes here that could enable a ghost to come into being.Normal ones.NOT paranormal.



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I wish I could feel like that, Oceanne... Sadly I'm simply too human to do so.
Some day, maybe I will be enlighted and have no need for anything anymore - whether it be logic, matter or philosophy.
But for now, I am stuck in this world and persist to become a part of it!



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Aww no you dont...just like I dont want to feel that way.My point in telling you that was, Im thinking that these fears ....and all the things that go with living in flesh..I dont think they follow us,because of what happened to me.
But I could easily be wrong..



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And I dont know if it is an enlightenment thing..I would even come close to calling myself enlightened....dont get me wrong,I love my family,my life and everything.But in order to transition into that kindof realm,we could not carry these things with us.But then again..it does still give us a reason as to why they might occur.



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Yea I think I understand, but I have always wished for something more than simply reason and matter.
Call it a divine realisation - such as that you are presumed to have in the moments before you die.
As you have kind of experienced it, I believe that that has stayed with you since, even though you may not know why!



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You know,it really has stayed with me,and this is why I think I feel the way I do about it in that all these things..that we find so fantastic ;ghost,gods,spirits etc.. at least now,for me,from what I have been finding, they could actually have a very real basis of occurence .Because there are solid,documented forces around us that could truely enable these things to be..and that makes it all even more fantastic.
I think over the years,as with any story or legend,things change so much we end up loosing the original story and end up with missconstrued notions as to what really went on in a situation..



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Yeah completely - not only does the way in which thing are documented change, the language we use to document them does too. (this would be over a longer period of time)
The world IS a fantastic place though, I agree XD



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well BORK if you feel that way I feel for you cause your CLOSED minded and have not ever experienced anything out of the ordinary. I myself have spoke to my Gpa and Gma ANd brother... their earthly bodies may be wormfood yet their soirits / ghost / souls whatever one believe is still very much there and they watch over me. I have died 3 times and believe me the experience opened my mind to alot of different possiblities that are out there.

Yet I do not feel a ghosht is made it feel it is someones spirit that has not left for reasons only known to them. they are earth bound until they find that peace as it were... just my opinion ....



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"Could you find a website for this thread besides the one above oceanne??"

I almost missed this Wolf...Please clarify? Are you referring to ghosts created out of magnetic energy?If so,I dont know of a website, but I will certainly look for one.This is my own concoction based on other evidences I have gathered.But Im pretty sure others have thought of it before..so there might be something out there.



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This is a good start....

http://psipog.net/art-electromagnetics.html

When you think about that statement and the fact that our brains are nothing but constant electrical reactions, you begin to understand why common problems arise in people such as in the following quote "We humans live in a thick, invisible smog of EM field pollution produced by radio and television transmitters, computers, telecommunication towers, and power lines." (Fitzgerald) . In the following quote another example is shown of an overlooked quality of today's society that might help us better understand what exactly is going on in the interaction of day to day living, "We have essentially electronically wired the nervous systems of our entire species with television, radio, and the Interenet into an endless feedback loop that can almost instantaneously focus the attention of humanity. From the collective focus might come alterations in the sub-atomic realm, such as mind over matter, or merely hallucinations" (Fitzgerald). With this global connection and constant barrage of unneeded influences, it is no wonder we begin to find ways to express them or merely find out what they are, which commonly results in paranormal happenings. "During hauntings and poltergeist phenomena, British researchers have used magnetometers that recorded power surges and sharply fluctuating magnetic fields within the room where these events are reported" (Fitzgerald). This shows the ability to measure certain paranormal activity, but before you start measuring the activity you must first know what kind you are dealing with.

There are two basic types of paranormal activities: Hauntings and Poltergeist. "The difference is that apparitions are "live" and hauntings are recordings" (Auerbach). Apparitions are not going to be covered here much because they deal with more complex matters of the mind than just EM." Interesting enough, many apparitions sighted are of living people. Those can be in stress, dream state visiting familiar places or even having an OBE(out-of-body experience)" (Auerbach). As you see, they deal with the human mind rather than natural EM fields, and stretch beyond the scope of this paper, but that still leaves one last type of activity. "Poltergeist activity involves physical effects that can be witnessed by anyone looking in the right direction and can be videotaped, photographed, and otherwise recorded)" (Auerbach). This includes sliding chairs, events of telekinesis, temperature changes, and many others. Once you have established the difference in the types of paranormal activities it is time to figure out a little more about them and what makes each of them really tick.

"In hauntings people report seeing a presence typically engaged in some sort of activity." This is as basic as it can get, your average ghost appearing doing its business, then disappearing, leaving no adverse affects. "The events and figures witnessed in hauntings tend to be repetitive both in what experienced and time occurred" (Auerbach). This too, can be an average quality of hauntings, and speaks for itself, hence the name "Haunting".The last one, "Speaking with "ghost" tends to do no good because they just go about their business as if you're not even there" (Auerbach). says a lot about what hauntings are. Would one speak to a movie in which they know the ending?(Of course they would.) But all jokes aside, what factor limits a haunting from responding? Maybe that it is just EM residue from past events and through natural properties of EMF's still radiates in the area.

"What does appear to be stuck is some kind of environmental recording of events and people. The house or building or land somehow records its history, with the more emotion-laden events and experiences coming through 'louder' and 'stronger'" (Auerbach). This excerpt better expresses the idea of how EM fields can radiate events of the past far into the future. " One ability proffered by many psychics over the ages is psychometry: the ability to "read" the history of an object by holding or touching it. Objects, we're told, "record" their entire history, and some can decipher that with psi. And what is a house if not a big object?" (Auerbach). All this is made possible because when two EM fields come in contact with one another, the tend to tune the other one to their vibrations, therefore leaving behind traces or just a little residue from each person. When a sensitive enough person touches said object they are able to tune to the vibrational levels left behind of the person on the object and receive info of that person. "When I say that the apparition is "seen" or "heard", I don't mean that this is happening through the eyes or ears. First of all, remember that our actual perception of the world us involves a process whereby data is received by the senses, then screened and enhanced by the brain and mind. Perception resides not in the senses, but in the brain" (Auerbach). describes the way receive the information via EM link from the house. Further evidence of EM having hallucinogen-like side-effects are in the following "British scientist have accumulated evidence that these hot spots, or rogue electromagnetic fields can induce some EM sensitive people to hallucinate the appearance of angels, aliens, ghosts, and a range of other visionary perceptions. Such electrically driven visions and mystical experiences might be the direct result of electrical currents in the body being translated into images in the visual cortex of the brain." One would also debate, that everyone sees different things such as in "Besides the fact that when an apparition is present, not everyone experiences the entity, there can be a variety of experience that indicates as subjectivity on the part of the witnesses. Some might "see" the ghost, some "hear" his/her voice, some "feel" a presence or that they're being touche, and some "smell" his/her cologne or perfume." and say this falsifies the subject matter, but it only furthers the actual reality of it all. All of our minds are different, therefore we all think and perceive things differently, some more social, some more visual, so if bombarded with unneeded electrical currents we would each have our own way of dealing with them.

The second type of Paranormal activity is obviously the only one left, Poltergeist. "Poltergeist while it literally means "noisy ghost," has come to represent a different model altogether from a parapsychological perspective. In poltergeist cases, physical effects are the central theme. These effects can run from movements and levitations and appearances/disappearances of objects to unusual behavior of electrical appliances, from unexplained knockings and other sounds to temperature changes, with all combinations possible as well" (Auerbach). Most commonly an effect happens separately, rather than a combination of them together, and it is not as reliant as a haunting. You could wait for days and not see a Poltergeist happening. " The poltergeist model is that of a situation caused by the subconscious mind of a living agent, generally someone in the household undergoing emotional and/or psychological stress. The agents are people who typically have no method of dealing with the stress on any normal level, so the subconscious takes advantage of the psychokinetic ability we all have to blow off steam" (Auerbach) It is also possible that a "haunting" can trigger that unknown agent in someone to produce psychokinetic effects, spawning the illusion of possession. " Poltergeist cases have, on rare occasion, also provided visual apparitions, though these are generally distorted, archetypal or even monstrous. In other words, you don't get a basic human ghost, but some other projection of stress, guilt, anger, fear, or frustration from the subconscious - a projection is telepathically sent out to others in the household" (Auerbach). This projection is real in a sense of your brain integrates it into the surroundings even though it is not really there, basically it is a hallucination.

Even though we know that hauntings and our brains may be at work here, what else is playing a role, and bridging the gap between our stressful minds and the access to the objects? Some believe they have found the key in the Hutchison effect. "The Hutchison Effect occurs as the result of radio wave interferences in a zone of spatial volume encompassed by high voltage sources, usually a Van de Graff generator, and two or more Tesla coils" (The Hutchison Effect). This would be similar to a rare but natural occurring hotspot in the Earth's environment. "A Tesla coil actually has two coils, a primary one and a secondary one, The primary coil is charged to generate just the right magnetic field so that the secondary coil resonates. The primary coil has a low voltage but a high current, and the resonating secondary coil has a low current but a high voltage. In an electrical grid, a high voltage is necessary for the long distance transmission of electricity" ("Tower of Power"). As seen, it works much in the same as our brains broadcast brain waves in this world full of EM radiation we live in. "The radio wave interferences involved in producing these effects are produced from as many as four and five different radio sources, all operating at low power. However, the zone in which the interferences take place is stressed by hundreds of kilowatts" ("The Hutchison Effect") is an excerpt could represent a human's brainwaves radiating along with EM radiations given off in a hotspot to produce magnified Poltergeist(psychokinetic) effects. Now that the Hutchison Effect works, what does it do?

Once in action, it was noted that the Hutchison Effect created effects very similar to Paranormal activity, mainly Poltergeist. "The spontaneous fracturing of metals, as occurs with the H-effect, is unique for two reasons: (1) there is no evidence of an "external force" causing the fracturing, and (2) the method by the metal separates involves a sliding motion in a sideways direction, horizontally. The metal simply comes apart" (The Hutchison Effect). This is an extraordinary example of Poltergeist activity for the following reasons: 1. There is no evidence of force(just like in Poltergeist activity), and 2.The metal slide in a movement common to that of Poltergeist activity. "Some temporary changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metals are somewhat reminiscent of the "spoon bending" of Uri Geller, except that there is no one near the metal samples when the changes take place. One video shows a spoon flapping up and down like a limp rag in a stiff breeze. In the case of permanent changes, a metal bar will be hard one end, like steel, and soft at the other end, like powdered lead." Once again metal deformation with seemingly no apparent mode of force. Also strong evidence is shown in the similarity with the following "The device can also induce unusual aurora-like lighting effects in the mid-air. Once when Hutchison was filming in 1981, a sheet of iridescence suddenly descended between the camera and some of the hardware being used. It had a strange pinkish center to it, and after it hovered there for a short period it vanished just as suddenly as it had appeared." One last likeness is shown in "It must be mentioned that 99 per cent of the time the objects do nothing at all, and one can wait for days before anything happens, but it is just this erratic unpredictability that one finds when investigating poltergeist activity." (The Hutchison Effect) With all this evidence one might start to wonder if Poltergeist is really a product of the mind and those unseen forces that pollutes us throughout our lives with EM radiation.

"Hauntings actually show that we are all psychic receivers to some degree." (Auerbach) This is true when you view a psychic receiver as some who can untangle the mess of EM signals given to them and form a clear picture about the 'apparition' . "Apparitions are nothing but consciousness - no sensory organs, no limbs, etc." (Auerbach). Once again, this is also true, because what is consciousness if not just a system of electric currents. "If there is anything to the electromagnetic theory of the paranormal, we should see heightened levels of evidence over the next decade in the form of increased reports of all categories of paranormal phenomena, including UFO sightings."



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Here is another article I found interesting..

http://www.ajna.com/articles/how_the_brain_creates_god.php



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And..another which explains things fairly well.

But its a combination of all these things that make me believe there is something to natural forces being behind ghosts and spooks and all that.And crop circles of course.

http://www.sgha.net/articles/electros.html



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"Is a ghost like a misty form??"

I would venture to say that they appear as such because of charged particles..think of it not so much as mist ,but more like the Aurora.



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I can imagine hesitation causes ghost to form, that and doubt as to their afterlife plan from those they are connected to could "gravitate" them to this realm, yet please understand I only say imagine, my assurance lies farther from that..

what sends us to passage would be a concern I had if I was passing, at that dieing moment are you ready to go, do you have "flight plans.", do you know enough of the peoples flight plan in your life? All this could avoid the inconviance of others calling you back from the final departure.



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Forgive my ignorance here Dab,but would please explain to me how hesitation could cause the formation of a ghost?
And I am in no way being sarcastic,but dead serious.
LOL hey,we're all flying by the seat of our pants on this, and our minds could change at any second..so I know what you mean about reassurance.



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Then there is the added touch of those that imagine things, yet have no idea that you did not share their believes. Yet other friends possibly did, they would be rather insulted by someone who keeps ..summoning you back. I could imagine if spirits where held back by some selfish reason they could get pretty disturbed, until the apport "gave up the ghost".



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That is why I believe it goes far beyond meer belief.No,this is a real force in action,and I think it has been right in front of our faces the whole time.



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I think that it is someone who has unfinished business.

And they can't go to "heaven" or "hell" until they finish it.

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Hmm thats interesting because I would think that once our biz is done here,its fini.We had our chance...unless one would be a demon or daimon or another type of elemental.jmho



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I have to go with the idea that a ghost is no more than a concentrated energy form.

Consider the analogy of a glass of water. Holding a glass of water, you quickly toss the water straight up (still holding onto the glass). What comes out is a similar form to the original glass but it quickly dissipates to formless matter and returns to its source - being the environment and not the glass which once contained it.



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So firstly Thank you for the sites Oceanne.^_~

And Thank you for your posts everyone.^_~



Now okay now say somebody did leave a imprint how would the imprint remain if the house is destroyed or whatever they imprinted themselves on?????????



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I was under the impression that a ghost is a psychic impression. If that is the case how would they be able to complete some task in order to pass on? Would the minimal amount of manifestation that they can do be enough to finish whatever it was that needed to be finished?



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The magnetic field is still there whether a house gets burned or not.



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Agreed. Assuming that the impression was left in the house is not specific enough. Was it a wall or what. So looking at the different spectrums or dimensions would allow the ghost to exist without the structure. So the house is not needed.



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Or the attachments desolve as they are untangled.. the attachments become fewer as they are released..



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