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Try this, it explains as a proctective barrier. not much on this but here is a page to look up.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle

Thank you very much for the link..I am also very interested in personal aspects on this from those here who use them.

I'd love to get in on this but I must say I'm slightly ignorant on the topic. Could you give us a run down on them?

OK I assume you are speaking of magic circles, LOL

well to me it depends on the reason for the circle. there are protection circles and there are binding circles etc. I myself have used both.

Hey Zav..Well I do have my own ideas on it but think I will hold off before posting them.
I would like to know what makes one choose or draw any certain circle.
And what they feel is the mechanism that enables it to work?

well to me what enables them to work or the mechanism as you say is purely belief and the thought of power they may be used for . I mean it is the same as using the pentagram(sp) symbol that many people in witchcraft or Voodoo uses.

when I use a binding circle it is exactly for that and same as protection circle used for what that very purpose.

depends on how you believe and how you actually work it just an opinion is all. I do know that they work.

Thank you for your post.So you feel belief is a factor..

What do you feel makes the binding circles work?

Yes I do believe that belief is the strongest source of anything that one may do or want

As to the binding circle I use a spell and chant that goes with my drawinf of the circle, mind you it is not always a big one or small one it depends on what I am using it for that the size is LOL same with the protection circle... can be used in many different ways .

Any ideas on how they work besides belief?

And if I might ask...what would size have to do with it?

I agree that belief is a big basis in alot of things. I have used a protection circle a few times.

Drawing or tracing a circle allows an area to be consecrated for either temporary or permanent protection and possibly other benefits and allows those withinto carry on with whatever mystical or magical procedures they are taking part in.

There is no size specification--only that he circle be made of a size great enough to enclose the ritual place.

So you feel the consecration is the important factor PV?

The magic circle is our own source of energy creating it.

Before I do any type of circle I sweep and sage my area of where the circle will be.

well they to me represent protection

The magic circle is our own source of energy creating it."

I like this reply,thank you. ..when you use your own energy to create them,do you end up with your own designs?
Or do you pick a design first,then put your energy into it?
And the sage,I take it it is used to cleanse the area?

Raven,how is it you feel they protect you?

It seems, from the majority of responses, that the average practitioner uses a circle as a security blanket. Not necessarily something that has any real effect other than psychological comfort.

I have been after this a while in several different formats,and I seem to be coming to the same conclusion J.

dark whisper - that is a very alchemical way of viewing the magic circle.

The four near basic elements with which we deal are indeed Earth, Air, Water, and Fire. The fifth element, or Quintessence, is that which is in all of us. These five elements are of course contained within the circle that is the Universe.

interesting

why limit yourself to a circle....my thought



anyway for those who want to do further research this would be good for you


http://www.angelfire.com/goth/paganslounge01ccg/cir.html


This page has the following information:

-Sacred Space-
-The Five Questions Usually Asked by Someone about to Cast Their 1st Circle
-The Circle ...Guidelines
-Casting the Circle
-Closing the circle

From the Gardenian Book of Shadows
-Casting the Circle
-Cakes And Wine
Ethics and Etiquette

Truth is,I have no intrest as to how to cast one,but thank you so much for the link and information.What Im after,is pretty much the same thing I have been.What I would really like to know is, what energy is behind the circle you would choose to use in a given situation.Sure wish I could word things better,I know my question is vauge..but hopefully you will understand what I am trying to get at.

I can't contribute anything useful, But it does raise a question. If you wanted to protect a house would you have to circle around the house or would it be sufficient to have the circle in the house?

To me a magickal circle is just that it is a sacred place for you to gather your energy alone or with coven members or what have you.... it is a special place where nothing you say or do is wrong because it is yours to do with and what you want....

evility.... outside circles are the best.....


when protecting the house make sure to do it within the waxing moon, walk deosil sprinkling rosemary (for example). For an extra bonus, sprinkle fennel (or flax, not as potent though) seed for invisibility.

Well there are different kinds to start out with and I believe that it is your mind set that if it will work then it will but if you or anyone has any doubts then it will not work same with light as a feather stiff as a board.

Well for me generally a circle is cast once a month like clockworth with me for a dull moon ritual sometimes there are 5 of us and at times there can be 20 or 30 of us. We call the quarters The circle is made, as we walk around in a circle the energies raised from us as we chant to the full moon is raised as we chant as we walk round and round as we then see the silver beams of light shining down upon us. So between the energy we have raised amounst our selves and that be given off from the moon the air and the fire in the middle, water is offered up and then we thank the quaters close our circle and pour the water back into the earth.

to me they represent a form of unseen protection and inner power and group strength with a common believe to acomplish ones desires

Thank you much for taking the time to post .You all have been really helpfull so far.

I don't know what it does for others but a magic circle for me is the inner revolving source of energy that circles inside the depths of my very soul. That's the pool I dip into when I need to lift my spirits above the extensive walls of the darkest tragedies I may face, such as the death of a loved one. Without such a circle I or perhaps some others, wouldn't be here. It's something I feel exists in us all, conscious or subconciously...it's just some fail to embrace it and it's powers.

So MS ,let me make sure I have this right...you are saying that a circle you might draw or use basically represents the energy circle within you?

I still wonder why people limit themselves to a circle

Well darling I think alot of people use circle because its signifies unity, the circle of life each has their own prefrence though

Thank you LDR....but do you feel the circles have any kind of "power" themselves?

Alone, no but that is just my opinion. The circle has long since been used in many different religions for rituals and such. It is the energy that you place around it or in it that gives it power. The cone of power that is used upon a FMRis raised but as HHW say why just circle. I mean sure i suppose we could make a square or a triangle, has three sides could signify the triple goddess mother maiden crone.

well i know in old times triangles were used sometimes for holding things that were summoned hhw.

i think circles do have energy in them

Thank you both..LDR Do you think its a possiblity that a circle would have power by virtue of its design?

CT...any ideas as to the energy they might contain?

i think it depends on the practitionier that makes the circe as to what kind of energy is in it as also to how strong the energy is,i think mainly by experience and knowledge it will be stronger.

okay so i was curious on the energy of magick circles and did a little searching and came upon an interesting link.

http://www.crystalinks.com/day8circlemagic.html

this might help some understand it a little more better.

I use a magick circle for protection
when I'm partaking in acts that need them.
is this what you mean?

Yes,that is a good link ,thank you.I posted that one in another thread a time ago.Didnt think to post it here.Nice call.

Yes I don't view it as literally a circle in the literal sense, but rather something with far more layers, having deeper meaning...I don't take the term magic circle at face value it runs deeper for me, as it may for others.

I use a magick circle for protection
when I'm partaking in acts that need them.
is this what you mean?
In a sense yes,but what I am really looking for is of anyone knows what these circles ARE.If they understand why they would chooose and use them at any given time.And now,in light that so many use them for protection,I would like to know what IN them makes one feel they are protective.

But however one wants to post,or whatever they want to share is ok too,I will pick what I can use out of it..and besides I know many others would learn by anything you might want to post about it.

Do you feel that vertain circles have certain energies? And can you recognise these energies by pattern alone?

Certain circles...sorry my typos are always bad.

well the size is not important it is just for what area you want to use while your doing your encantation / spell or ritual (whatever one chooses to call it.)

I feel the circles have been around for eversince the times of ancients. I mean some peole actually put a circle aropund there home / property etc. for protection ot to ward off unwanted evils or preditors of any kind whether it be human or not...

It is like how we would use a fort or fortress as a barrier to protect or to keep out or to keep in something or some one etc..

The Circle also represent completeness, as the life of circle it comes together as a whole. I mean when I use the circle for whatever reason (which are many) LOL
It is just that for completeness, closure you could say.

you have to have the beginning with the end as in everything of nature... I mean I am Wiccan / amer.native Indian and we use the circle for many things in my family as well as cleansing the area with sage and such before hand.

"Yes I don't view it as literally a circle in the literal sense, but rather something with far more layers, having deeper meaning...I don't take the term magic circle at face value it runs deeper for me, as it may for others."
ok kool..thanks for this.
Anything else you could tell me about what you feel in these layers?

sorry for the typo's I tend to have them when typing too fast I do apologise.. :)

well to me if you do not close a circle and are doing something that could affect more than what you want it to affect it could be dangerous or just not a happy thing or.... Ok lets say I am doing a protection spell on my home ... yet I do not CLOSE the circle then what is the use of the protection if something / someone could still cross over into said place . It is like closing the door and locking it to me when you make a complete circle. Very much like the Voodoo Spells and stuff it has to be closed . does that make sense? hope so...

Yes,it makes sense,thank you..
Got another one for you if you dont mind...you say you dont want something to leak out..or in.
Do you feel it is possible to pinpoint or laser the energy?
Do you know what the patterns you use mean? Energywise?

Well I feel yes, I can pinpoint the Energy as it were, for whatever it is I am doing, I mean to me that is one of the main purpose of a circle to focus and contain your energy to what your using it for.

The patterns are used for each indiviual practice to me. I have certain ones I use for different results you could say LOl just as one uses a pentegram or even a celtic cross symbol or christian cross symbol there are many different things to use just gotta find your own *niche'* as it were that works best for you and for what your doing .. just how I believe and my opinion.

Nice..and this statement catches my attention..

"I have certain ones I use for different results you could"

Would you please elaborate on this?

well like I sometimes draw an image within the circle when doing something.... as I had said such as a cross of some kind or pentegram etc. Just as people use certain crystals for certain things to have a better result for what they may be doing.

now for a big one..:D you understand why it is you choose a paticular one?

Worded that bad and repeated myself...let me try this again. You understand the differences in the energies? lets say, the energy in one pattern as opposed to another?

Does a certain pattern declare a certain energy to you?

yes I do.... I mean when using the different ones they each Ifeel have a stronger energy or the right energy you could say for what it is I wish to use it for, I know it may sound corny or just whacked. LOL Yet, to me each one is done for a certain reason and therfore certain powers for said spell.

Meaning, does a hexagon hold more power than a circle?

I think that a circle is definitely psyhologically powerful as a protector because of the "security blanket" feeling. Representing completion in the person's mind.

The hexagon is a much more common natural occurrence than a perfect circle, which means if you can mimick the creation of those hexagons, you may be able to yield that same power.

this is true yet is a hexagon not within a circle ? LOL I mean mine are that I use .... so it is of course how one believes and what they believe to hold the power or most power within ones own mind as you say ....

I feel it is mind over matter no matter what :) which carries with it alot of faith.

Majic circles have energy and if done correctly will do there purpuse.

What I was referring too, Kryptlove, actually is the resonance of the planets. The geometrical pattern created by Saturn's frequency is a hexagonal shape.

LOL ok cause I was like all the symbols ar encased in a ircle.. LOL

oop... *circle

I have a question about the circles. This may have already been put here and I just overlooked it. Do you have to use something physical to create the circle or is it of an inner energy type field . I hope you understand what I am trying to say or ask.

Oceanne, thanks for the explanation and you as wel Hell hath wings.

Explaination? oh my,I thought I was the one asking all the questions:D

"I mean when using the different ones they each Ifeel have a stronger energy or the right energy you could say for what it is I wish to use it for, I know it may sound corny or just whacked. LOL Yet, to me each one is done for a certain reason and therfore certain powers for said spell."
My dear..corny or wacked? this is what has taken me two threads to extract.Thank you .thank you.

And thanks again for taking a minute to think and answer my questions everyone.

fyrechyld,my answer is no,you dont need them.And I say this with conviction because of my own experiences.

What I feel they are, is one,the result and manifestation of an energy interacting with a medium that records it.And two, when you see them drawn,they are a representation of an energy needed and associated with the activity at hand..ie a ritual. I believe most of the time,peeps cannot get their magic to work because they choose a symbol without really understanding whats behind it..and end up with the incorrect frequency..not unlike a radio.

the count has hit it right on the head..... i have heard of pentagons, triangles and trapazoids being used.


and i know what a circle means

It would have been nice if you had said so before HHW.
So if I give you different examples you would know by sight the frequency?And what that frequency can be used for?

They are all used..all of the sacred geometric patterns

not off hand, has been years since i used any shape to call my boundaries...... i have different views since 2001.......i might know an answer here or there but can't guarantee.....

you forget a lot of shit in 7 yrs

Very true..but if you ever feel you would llike to try,just let me know k?

Can I ask what your views on them where prior?

as in what?

i used them, casted circles all the time, i did the closing and opening and can't walk out unless you cut a door thing....i did everything else a Wiccan, Heathen, Odinist, etc does.

i just finally realized that is for people who need the visualisation of being protected. .....

does that answer your question




as i said, i have heard of pentagons, triangles and trapazoids being used. i have never used either

Yes,it does.Thank you.

there are many types of protective circles used for differant reasons or levels of protection

When I cast a circle it's a sacred place between the worlds in which i perform magick of some sort ....I think the way you cast a circle would depend upon if you were doing high magick or low magick....

Thank you for your post RW...you think there is a difference? High and low ? Would you mind giving me an example please?

And thank you for yours too LDG..you have mentioned protection a couple times..do you feel it has any other use?

well they can represendt anything you want it be, of some people it can represent protection, good luck and purity

Thanks for the post L,but I respectfully disagree...I dont feel that any circle/symbol will work for just any circumstance...thus all the failure.

Key is,finding which ones do what.;)
jmho

nothing,i dont use one. Dr. Lavey states why should you protect yourself from the diety you want help from

I believe in magic circles.

But my question is, how well do they work?

(I am not trying to put down magic circles at all.)

Not quite sure..several theories posted above.

i mostly use magical circles to protect a specific are during a ritual. it's a cleansing of the space in order to properly conduct the ritual

simply for me it represents alot but to break it down it is protection and a place of sacredness when opening a circle.

Those circles will be as usefull and strong as the person who made them beleives and is strong.

Otherwise they are useless and simply a circle.

Power of all kinds

VY you are among those who feel belief is key?

all I know of magic circle that they can be used for many different things

Everyone has been great,thank you for all your responses.

Magic circles, interesting topic. I have used the prtection circles around my home and in areas around my land that I have set up for energy. What I mean here is, I have one spot on my land that has a over whleming feeling of energy. I have set up a circle of rocks around this area and have placed various gems and crystals around the area. I have also placed a protection circle around it as well.

They are for protection, and many other areas. Yes it relies on how you feel or your belief there of.

Thats kool.Places like that are very kool.
You mean it protects you when you are doing a certain ritual?..but protects from what? You dont keep a bubble around you on a constant basis?

"You mean it protects you when you are doing a certain ritual?..but protects from what? You dont keep a bubble around you on a constant basis?" your questions

The protection circle that is placed around the circle of rocks is only there when I am within the circle. I use it just to keep any unwanted or nagitve energies out while I am doing my rituals. In todays world I have thought about keeping my self or my children in a bubble all the time but if I did that we wouldn't be able to learn anything. :-)

I understand.Thanks for explainingt.Do you encounter alot of negative energies when you are doing that stuff?You call things to you?

In the area that I am in its not per se more negative then the other. Where I run into my problem and the reason for the protection circle is because of the wondering spirits that love to roam my land.

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