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CryingDutchess
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01:12:45 Jul 30 2008
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Okay, to all the powers that be, I thoroughly apologize for my crass title. However, all titles are advertising here, and if you're reading this now... it worked!

To the point, I was thinking of Blade (I), the other day and remembered the scene with the vampire council. Each of them had their own issues with Stephen Dorff's character because he was made a vampire and not a pureblood, like them.

Where am I going with this? Well -- what is your opinion of the "pureblooded" vampire? Are they born, and if so, how is this possible for a corpse? Where does the "maker" originate? Baby gone bad? The product of demon-copulation?
If there are pureblooded vampires, then, at some point, would they have been an active race of sorts? To take it one more step -- if they WERE a race of sorts at one point, who erased them from history and turned them into myth?




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01:16:33 Jul 30 2008
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wow i guess if the parents are vampires they would be considered vampires but i think that all are born human just cant see it.



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I don't think there is such a thing as a pure-blooded vampire; that was just our way of attempting to add a social hierarchy to the vampires.

In regard to the movie, I think the writers were getting at the idea that if vampires had children, they would not be corpses, but would still hold all of a vampire's strength.



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01:37:04 Jul 30 2008
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Well, vampires are actually corpses (by definition) and are quite strong no matter how they came into being.

If there were ever a pair vampire parents -- where does their family tree root??



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01:43:05 Jul 30 2008
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Mom would have to be pregant then made a vampire. Child comes out born to a vamp mom,becomes vamp child. It's the only way. Once die you cann't make life.



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01:47:29 Jul 30 2008
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Then we still have a hybrid.



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02:15:37 Jul 30 2008
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It's hard to come up with answers on this one. So many things contradict one another -- not to say this is a fact-based thread.



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Vampires (as the Undead) cannot conceive or procreate; the necessary organs are nonfunctional unless blood is devoted to temporarily reactivating them.

There are many vampires who believe they come from the Nephilim, Aliens, or various god-like figures such as Caine, Lilith, Set or Osiris. All of these have one common theme: A line of descent from one or more progenitors to present day vampires. A line of descent implies a genetic reason for vampirism. This doesn't rule out other reasons such as environmental or spiritual, but does indicate at least one part of vampirism is genetic. (Reference 2)

We do not have a "real" vampire in front of us to dissect to find out their actual physiology; so until then, numerous versions of how vampires can be created, or conceived, will be out there.

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1. Vampire Pathology

2. Vampire Genetics



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02:21:07 Jul 30 2008
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Funny how both references basically make the same point! lol



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05:49:37 Jul 30 2008
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Regarding "vampires" as a race.

AVL

This might answer a few questions regarding trueblood.



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(Please excuse the mis-directed link.)

AVL

If the link does not work...

http://www.americanvampireleague.com/



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05:53:00 Jul 30 2008
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i agree once dead your dead... even if your walking around your still dead...no heart beat no way to get what baby vamp or not what he or she needs to grow



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The article on vampire pathology, while entertaining, has significant gaps. The author focuses on the magnesium in blood allowing the vampire to store energy, and the oxygen in the blood allowing the vampire to "breathe" w/o using its lungs. He dscusses procreation and "vampirification" and procreation, but does not address elimination, although he does mention that the organs involved in procreation would require a significant influx of blood.

Who better able to get the blood necessary than the vampire?



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06:17:21 Jul 30 2008
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well depends what type of vampire your talking about seems your talking about Hollywood vampires well they are turned not born.

Other ones are they are already pregnant.



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17:51:12 Jul 30 2008
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i dont belive there are any "purebloods"out there



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18:05:32 Jul 30 2008
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to vampires blood is food nothing more and i do not see how one could become pregant when the body is dead



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I think more medical research would indeed be needed in such a case as this one. I am pretty sure it has already been answered through the site Psi had showed us. At some point in time through out the generations, two humans having been turned into vampires then procreate and have one of their own= a pureblood. It makes sense but it would have to take a fith generation vampire to make a pure blood vampire. according to dna statistics.



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20:32:19 Jul 30 2008
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More medical research? Not to be rude -- but when did the first set of vampire medical research begin? What possible scientific data cold be gleaned from limited information that not only contradicts life as we know it, but contradicts itself?




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SarraS
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21:00:14 Jul 30 2008
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By putting that question forward I think you already answered it.
Could as easily ask for a genetic analysis of unicorns currently living.



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CryingDutchess
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21:01:34 Jul 30 2008
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Good point. I think I will be putting this one to rest very shortly...



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22:53:30 Jul 30 2008
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Well what if the parents were human but the child was simply born that way?



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I do not think pure bloods exist. i do think that maybe it was a vampire male with a human female.. but who really knows.. it is kinda like the question what came first the chicken or the egg.



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23:15:14 Jul 30 2008
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Maybe the women were already preagant then she got bitten by a vampire and the baby was a prueblood.



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00:07:31 Jul 31 2008
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Still a hybrid...
Though now I wonder -- if a woman was pregnant and the fetus was injected with vampire blood? Nyah, that was just disturbingly creepy...



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Its hard to say realy but why dose a vampire have to be a corpse? I could just live a long time are till it dies could be living with a fast healing.



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Going back to the context upon which the question originated, in the movie it is assumed that there are a race of vampires that developed not in the classic "dead and reanimated" form. Beings which carry the "vampire" genes that have come down from living proginators, who lived back in the mists of pre-history and have remained unknown to the humans they live among and feed upon. They developed as another race than human, so the two races, and maybe others unknown, were divergent long before recorded history.



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In Blade the pure blood vampires are similar to demons and can reproduce. The pure bloods could also turn humans, which is what happened to Blade's mother while she was pregnant with him. Since she was pregnant when she was turned this made Blade a damphir which allowed him to go out in the daylight. Since Blade is fiction the author doesn't have to follow any rules or legends. Blade is not the only movie that has suggested that there are creatures that are born vampires. There are others that have even gone a different route and had vampires be genetically engineered. In fiction anything is possible. Now do they really exist? That is hard to say. Some say that fallen angels become vampires, but so far there is no concrete evidence to that.



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14:15:54 Jul 31 2008
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no one really knows for sure but they think that they can still have human abilitys as reproduse but with domonic powers so to say



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Would not the first vampire be a true blood, and that is it. all others would be in the stand of his legecy. other than that i Think like mortals only your ancestors hold the true gentic code of your existance.True bloods.



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18:53:44 Jul 31 2008
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In Dawn of the Dead a zombie was able to produce a baby and although that is fiction too it ties in with the whole blade, un-dead, giving life thing, thought i would throw it in there.



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18:57:48 Jul 31 2008
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Many hollywood version show life giving, van helsing to name one, yet to me the aspect of undead all organs dead giving life i think not, cannot myself buy into this.



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23:38:41 Jul 31 2008
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I have though about that too as I love the movies myself maybe the mother is human and when she is caring the bady feeds off the vampire so when the bady is born it will only want blood just a idea.



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Of course, this thread s based off of multiple points of views since this a creature no one has proven to exist. I just like discussing the possibilities of the lore, itself.
I truly appreciate DemianA's input -- it was a great approach and explanation for a subject that has no definitive answer.



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There are different types of vampire theories. Re-animated corpses like that of a zombie. Psi .. sang .. et cetera. Depends.



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