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Has anyone seen anything dealing with a child being born with a caul, a portion of the amnionic sack that forms around the child's head? Some legends impart positive qualities, having the gift (psychic abilities / witchcraft), while others impart negative qualities (marked by a demon / tendency toward vampirism) to a child born with one.

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I remember my Grandmother telling me those who were born with , she called it a veil over their face. Was a baby that was born of pychic ability.

That it was rare for a child to be born with one.

Thank you for the interesting article.



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Can you tell us what it is you would like to discuss about this please?

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What legends have people heard relating to a child being born with a caul, sir? Both positive and negative relations ships to birth with one.



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I've never heard of it prior to this. I can see how, since it's a rare thing, it could be interpreted as either a gift or a curse...I say that it's most likely just science, nothing mystical...but then again, you never know.



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Asking if anyone has heard of something, resulting in a yes or no answer, rarely produces a discussion of worth.

Perhaps you could try to posit some ideas of your own about this topic, to give us something to work with?

Otherwise, it might as well be a poll question.

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Will comply, sir. I will ensure that I phrase questions in a more open ended fashion so there is more room for discussion. I heard of relationships with magickal ability and being born with a caul. I was wanting to make a compilation of legends on the effect of being born with a caul has on the individual or the effect of carrying one would be. One legend relates to a caul being used as a good luck implement much as a rabbit's foot by sailors. Thank you for your patience.



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my uncle was born with a caul and yes he does have a gift. Plus is very highly intelligent. when you ask him how he knows these things . He answers i dont know must have learned it in a previous life. He is a wonderful man no demon in him.



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i've never heard of this... for lack of a better word "disease". i have seen many human deformalities though that old religions would consider "the devil" and such.



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Thought to bring wisdom, honor and truth, cauls were often purchased by Greek and Roman statesmen. In Scandinavian tradition, the caul was associated with the presence of an accompanying spirit called a fylgja, which after birth would manifest as an animal, object or person. In other societies, caulbearers were believed to be impervious to drowning, and the cauls themselves (which can be dried and saved), were highly sought after by sailors, who would buy them and often wear them in lockets as prevention against drowning. Amniomancy, a form of divination, was practiced by interpreting the caul. Cauls were often kept as heirlooms. Upon the death of the bearer, it was said that the caul should be burned so its owner could rest peacefully.

Caulbearers are also said to have the ability to be able to detect underground water, to predict weather changes and to know when fish and food will be plentiful.

In addition to all this is the psychic ability. Born behind the veil, caulbearers are believed to possess special sensitivities, to have the ability to navigate between many worlds and to see the future. Along with the psychic gift, they are also said to be natural healers, practicing via laying on of hands or doing distance healing.

Caulbearer infants are usually easy babies. As they develop, caulbearers can potentially be misunderstood because people sense that they are different. If you know a child or have a child born with a caul, being aware of these associations may help sensitize you to their potential needs and gifts. However, it's important to bear in mind that all children, born with a caul or not, should be treated no differently and allowed to develop whatever psychic, healing or special talents they may have.

Some famous caulbearers include Alexander the Great, Jesus, the poet Lord Byron and the mystic poet Kahlil Gibran.


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Wonderful responses, thank you. Some additional information from the caulbearer.org site.

The birth Caul or Veil is a full face mask which may be sometimes found covering the face of a child at birth. Such births are rare and hold special significance for the child born in such a manner. There are many stories and myths about the Caul, many of them erroneous. This site is provided to give some insight to those who are born with a Caul and further promote public knowledge of the phenomenon.

The correct name for those who are born with a Caul is a Caulbearer. Such people are often referred to as being born behind The Veil, as the Caul is also referred to as The Veil in many cultures due to it being a face covering.

It should be noted that Caulbearers may be male or female and may come from any social class, racial or religious group. There are no geographical boundaries to the phenomenon. However it has been observed that Caul births do have tendencies to run in family bloodlines. Sometimes, but quite rarely, more than one member of a family--usually a parent and child--may be born with a Caul.

It has been calculated that Caulbearer births may be as few as one in eighty thousand births. However this does not necessarily mean that there may be one such birth in every eighty thousand births in a particular area or that there may not be more than one in any grouping of eighty thousand births.

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The Romanians believed that the first and foremost sign of one being, or becoming a vampire, was at the birth of a child who was born under abnormal circumstances. Some of these circumstances included a child being born out of wedlock, born with a caul (the amniotic membrane that surrounds a fetus), or death occurring before a baptismal could be performed. If a person was aware of their irregular births, they would leave instructions upon their deaths to have the necessary precautions taken, lest they rise again as one of the undead.

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well it cause sphycic powers to those born tho its so very rare a new-born child has it. The most common reason it is said to be the mark of the devil is what religious folks seem to think sphycic powers are said to be evil and of the devil thus marking it as a curse to the people that serve the one all powerful god.



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Vortex21, does that mean Jesus was marked by the Devil as he was born with a caul? Both can't be true. Maybe your logic is flawed.



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i have never heard of such a thing. That sure is a medical mystery, though i doubt it has any sort of ability attached to it. its a defect



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I vaguely remember reading something once about a caul being good luck, as well as something that a person would give to their betrothed, essentially as part of a dowry. It was a fictional book, but I imagine it was based off of some sort of legend. I think these like this can go either way on the good luck/bad luck beliefs depending on the times. At one point any one who was left handed was considered 'cursed', and now they say leftys tend to be more creative. Go figure, lol.



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*raises hand Me me i was born with it and so were my twin daughters who came out C-section.(not psychic still waiting)



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Crimson-growing up did your family ever share any beliefs they had in regards to this? Good luck/bad luck, anything like that?



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A child born as a caulbearer is considered either with great revence as having spiritual or great insight and to be heald in great regards of the people * in certain cultures, YET, in other cultures they are usually either banished or killed befor ethe first year of their birth has came around.

I have a cousin who is a cauldbearer they are very gifted and senitive to others emotions and feelings, plus if she tells you she foresees something then you best take heed in what she say it usually happens.

But she lives a very simple quiet life cause many do not understand, just like handicap people our society just are not always friendly.

I myself feel it is just a gift that some are born with when they have the caul/veil over them. just an opinion is all.



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