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K folks this is going to be a long startoff as it is a full newspaper article...but I want you to read this and give your opinions....
I want to know how many of you have more balls than this nine year old girl.....
how many actually help their fellow man and how.....not just saying you will....but actually doing something about it.this is one of those stories that makes you take a look at how you live your life in regards to your fellow man...I know i am


Toronto-april 22,2005 Edmonton sun
Nine year old Hannah Taylor was born with a hole in her heart, but its a heart fuller than most.
the pig tailed advocate for the homeless brought a distinguished toronto luncheoncrowd to it's feet in appplauseyesterday with a stirring speechto the empire club based on a simple message:people need to share more and be kinder to the less fortunate.
"I know some people are afraid of homeless peoplebut they are great people, wrapped in old clothes, with sad hearts," said the grade three student, who stood on a stool to reach a podium traditionallyreserved for world leadersand bay street tycoons. "Dont be afraid of them," she said. "Just care for them and be kind to them."
Hannah's successful Ladybug Foundation has so far raised cash and other donations worth more than $500,000 to assist those forgotten souls many city dwellers would just as soon pass by.
The winnipeg girl began her cause at the age of six, when she spotted a man eating from a garbage bin and asked her mother why he had no food.
"For A whole year she said, 'Mommy, wheres he eating? Wheres he sleeping? Who loves him? who cares for him?'"recalled Colleen Talor, Hannahs mom.
"Shes a very determined and stubborn child."
Taylor told her daughter that doing something to help the homeless might make her feel less sad. Hannah decided to tell her grade 1 class about the problem and at age six wrote her first speech.
In the three years since, Hannah has adressed audiences as large as 16,000 and as high ranking as Prime minister Paul Martin- a meeting that had Hannah wondering what all the fuss was about.
"I was expecting a crown and golden robes because of the way all the grown-ups were acting," she told the crowd."He came in and looked just like a papa....I liked him right away."
Taylor credits her daughters sheer determination with making the non profit organization a success. She helps Hannah paint and decorate 1,000 brightly colored donation jars that are given to businesses and people willing to fill them with spare change.
Hannahs heart problem, an inoperable condition that was discovered at birth, has never slowed her efforts.When Hannah first learned of her condition, she couldn't wait for the nurse to finish talking, her mom recalled. "She said, 'you guys will take care of my heart;now I want to tell you about homeless people!'"

yes i think it's wonderful...

but usually kids who involve themselves in affairs such as this usually end up messed up.

child actors is a good example.

i'm not saying it isn't a fantastic thing... because it is... i'm just wondering if all that attention and such is going to screw the kid up.

hopefully not, but sadly it might.

it is possible....but thats was not the question here....what do YOU dou if anything....to help your fellow man?
do you have the courage to take on what this nine year old girl with a heart condition does?
and if so how?

Children have noble hearts, untainted by start of their own lives. Its that chance to se ethe world a bit mopre simply before we get top internally catahrtic and bothered with what the world thinks of us.

Sorry. Im not trying to smother your thought-provoking thread in depression! I think its lovely that she's so pasisonate about something.

Sorry Daermon... but the little girl didn't do all that on her own.

her parents, organisers and a host of other people did. the little girl just set a small ball rolling down a long snowy hill.

no... i probably couldn't do anything like that. simply because i've nothing to start the ball rolling. she had a certain condition which got her attention from the word go. i have.... nothing. no money. no time.

like echo said... she was caught before the world changed her. she affected others...

Very sad and nice story....
That girl sure has a great and huge heart!!!
But why is the life like that when one has obtained somethin so strong and kindness in her heart other thing is missing??? I mean the health....
Yes and I have to admit its very rare to find such person, but children are different. They are more sensitive and loving than adults. I just hope she wont lose it!!

ok i'll give some examples to make my point.....
I am underpaid and underemployed....
yet I have repeatedly found the time to go help out at a homeless shelter cooking and serving meals.....not often....but when I can.....we all say i'm too busy......but think hard.....there is never a time anywhere in your life ?
yes....she may have had help......but think deeper.......all she does is decorates donation jars......is that so hard really?
I know I must find at least a few dollars lying around on the ground from time to time.......if that were put to this instead of to a coffee daily.....when you really consider it...you will find there is both time and money to help.....even if only a little....if you choose to help....hence the name of the thread.

yes i don't mind giving a helping hand but i no longer give hand outs,it a shame but i have seen so many scams, i just give hands up

Now it depends Daermon whether you are focusing on helping teh homeless, or helping publicly infront of a lot of people for me to answer your question accurately.

What you do or don’t do effects others. If more people were to act on their positive impulses more often, the world would be a much better place. It is so much easier to give into your darker more selfish impulses because it centered on “you”. This little girl saw something that didn’t seem normal to her. If she had someone to care for her, why didn’t this man. She then acted on that positive impulse, and it moved others to do the same. IF only more people had the insight of this child. I try and make the sacrifice of service when I can. I also try not discourage it in my children. Research helps when trying to find credible companies to donate to.

I try to help those that needed it whenever i can. If its giving them some money or donating clothes.

I think for m'self it comes down to this.... am I really helping? or am I furthering the problem? I think hard on that before I spend my time on helping anyone. I don't want to waste effort.... I don't wish to become more jaded than I already am.

I wonder if it is in fact easier for a child 9 years of age to raise money. Like someone already said about child actors being appealing. So Is a little sick girl who cares about homeless people.
I've helped people and worked for what I care for, I have gotten involved that's all I'm saying I don't feel the need to defend my work.

wow. i cant believe she could do that. and i have problems talking to a class of 30 (when im presenting something. im not a teacher). jeez

Having skipped over most other peoples opinions to keep mine as "me" as possible- this is what I think.

Kids have innocence, whereas most of us have lost any we once had. Kids don't know the difference between right and wrong and good and bad. Kids don't think twice when the see a person asleep on the street. They think that is wrong and that person should be at home in a warm bed.

As for what someone was saying about kids like this getting fucked up--how about getting fucked over. If any ov you have seen Pay it Forward, you know what I'm talking about. Kid has a good heart and a brilliant idea to make it work. But what happens, he tries to help and ends up dead.

I was going somewhere with this but the fact the the innocent get fucked is pissing me off so I'm gonna stop now

I think that looking thru kids' eyes is one the hardest things that an adult can do. We are corrupted by so many things that seeing good in everyone is really hard for us. Most of us get so hurt in this world that we tend to think that it is okay for others to suffer as well. My kids' innocence is what helps me get thru hard times. Especially when both my kids (9 & 7) come to me to give me a hug after a hard day or a fight with my hubby and tell me that thigns will get better. I luv them the most for that.

k i'll put the question of the thread here one last time for the reading impaired
What do you do to help your fellow man.....
anything...buying a cold guy a coffee would suffice for the question.....
I did put the question forward because I actually was wondering....
forum nazi out

I help any chance I can with donations of cash, clothes and whatever else I think someone else can use. I wish I could spend the time in soup kitchens and whatever else there is a person can do to help out. The one thing I would definitely have trouble with is the speeches. I have been homeless when I was 18 and it was no fun. I never got so hungry to beg for money or food. I worked but didn't make enough to get a place at the time. Some of us are just one paycheck away from being homeless.

very true...I spent almost a monh in a homeless shelter a year ago trying to save enough money for damage deposit and such....it is far closer than most realize till too late
I NEVER give money to the homeless.....as I know too many would drink it...but i will buy them a sandwich.....or a hot coffee on a cold day

i think it is ludicrous to compare child actors to a child who desires to help humanity. They are both mutually exclusive. I do not think this child is aiding homeless individuals to seek fame. instead, it is out of the goodness of her heart.


I, on the other hand, follow an old chinese proverb :

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".

I have volunteered at job fairs to help remove people off the streets and get them back on their feet.

what do i do? i DO give them money. i don't care what they do with it, buy beer or cigarettes, i'm not going to do much better with it so who am i to judge? i am volunteering the entire summer with girls ages 5-13 whose parents don't have the money for regular babysitting. in other words, 90+ little girls and like 10 adults.

way give money to someone who willn't help themselves with it,

Well, I have a derect debit set up to a charity, so in the normal sence I give what I can.

However, I love to tlak to people, and have had quite a few chats with the homeless people around Preston, as I think its important not just to give in the literal sence, but to help people by simply being there.

Yes! oooh pick me *hands waving in air* D., I've been an Advocate for the Mentally Ill for several years now, volunteer basis. I was Editor (3 years) for my local chapter of NAMI, *National Alliance for Mentally Ill*. I wrote, published, printed and mailed my newsletter for about 200 members a month. I then served a year as Vice President of this local affilate. I work with the State, traveled to State meetings. I traveled to a National Convention to hear speeches from scientists all over the world on Brain Disorders Research. I completed two 12 week courses on different disorders, causes, treatments. I then completed a course to be certified to teach young families how to learn to deal with children and adolescents with any mental issues. I still belong to my state organization. We also work on a city level, we have outdoor cook outs, we take groups of people to shop and see attractions. I work directly with my local mental health center too. Courage is one of my core beliefs. Thanks for a great thread D.

Hey Daermon......in answer to your question....I probably don't do enough. I have helped organize clothing drives, and food drives........bought people food, or a hot drink.....spoke out to others to raise awareness.......

I help more with animals I think then people.......volunteering at a stable when I was 13-14-15....shelters, rescuing many and various pets, and education.

I think that each person has the capability to be courageous..........just most don't have the courage to use it. (Hehehe, sounds funny, so I hope you get what I ment).

I know I don't do enough. I will admit to that. I won't give to big charities and here's why.

I worked for a well known charity. A place that prided themself on helpin the lifes of others. WHen you see the way that money is used. It can be sickening. When the big shots come in, I have seen silver platers and catarers come in. Now couldn't that of went to someone out there that needed the money. Money that has been basically thrown away in the sense of stuff they blew it on. Its rather sickening.

Sometimes even people that give to charity aren't really giving what the expect to be giving and don't even realize it.

I don't help the homeless as much as that girl. I've been thinking about it for a bit though and I don't think it's a matter of courage, I lack the...will. I'm not afraid of starting a homeless-aid organization...I just dont want to. I hate to sound callous and I don't mean that I don't care, I donate stuff to places, I walk for stuff and buy canned food for people and volunteer at shelters, that's just not what I want to do with my life..not as my primary activity. If I make a coupla million dollars somehow and it's something that I can do easily...sure...why not...but for the moment...it's just not what I'm interested in. I'm concerned about the plight of the homeless...but....just....not *that* concerned. If that thought had haunted my every waking moment throughout my childhood...I'd probably feel more compelled to do something.

After further thought...I'm also curious as to why there havent been any comments, unless I missed reading some, along the lines of "homeless people aren't a 'problem', they're easy prey"
Not a criticism, just a query. Where are the murderous vamps? :-)

'wow that almost made me cry...
I admit for the past couple years I have not been doing my fair share, life is hectic and I get so wrapped up in my own drama... when I was younger though it was much easier, schools have charities like the can goods drive, and I used to help at a nursing home every weekend... but nowadays... damn guilt trip... that little girl was so beautiful, a great inspiration

Being that I have lived in bigger cities, there are all the time people holding signs up looking for money for "food" or somethign like that. So in stead of giving them food I will go to the nearest grocery store and buy them a bag of groceries and then drive back by them and leave it with them. I don't believe in giving people money because most of the time (not always) they will use the money to buy drugs.

Grrr type-o's ...
*somethign = something

*giving them food = giving them MONEY

It's great seeing your responses....
sometimes just sitting and listening to people can be enough....
I know one kid who got off the street and he says he was inspired by a guy who just sat and chatted with him and sent his mind in directions he had not thought of himself...

ok i knoww this might not be the same as everyone was talking about but from the age 14 to 17 i was homeless and alot of people i know tryed to help the best they could my friends dad helped me get in school and all but so i can't say i won't help cause i know how it feels to be on the street i know alot of people that walk by some homeles people like they have the plague i know most of u not saying all but most do it to fell good about them selfs and not realy to help i mean try and see how it feels to be out there like some one said yea most of them do lie so they can get money for drugs and some big compys do lie and say there helping the homeless while driveing in there new 2000 something car or livin in there big new house but i getting far off here but i will say this no matter what i will help cause i know how it feels to be homeless thats why iam trying to find a way to open a nonprofit orgaz to help homless teens we use to have one i helped out there alot but the state said there ran out of funding but hay aleast we got a new staudim for the baseball team

yayyyyyyoh yea sorry about my ranting this subjet is to close to home for me

it really is all about priorities, isn't it? Shame the city put a Baseball Stadium over a Homeless Shelter..let's see sports before Humans? So called American way huh?

agreed anubisguy....
I used to help because it made me feel like I helped...then I lived in the shealter for a bit...now when I help it is because it is just the right thing to do
all it took was a bit of hunger and a few cold nights to wake me up

Its really sad when people go down to get help and the place where you can give help cant help you because the city is so far into debt they would rather take your child away and put you on the street then find you a place to live. People wonder around the FIA office and ask for money and help... some of them even sleep there because they dont have the right to kick them out. Its sad when they want help and can't get it. But what's even sadder is the fact we have people that are homeless here without food. but our goverment send stuff over to other countries when there are people beggin for it here. I am not against it but don't really understand that.

Canada's foreign aid topped 6 billion dollars last year.....that would go a long way to building low income housing in this country....or to industry to create more jobs....
it's nice that the rest of the world thinks so highly of Canada.....but we still have our own problems here to deal with and I think the government needs to start dealing there before handing away billions....
but thats taking it political which is a no-no