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The head was buried separate from the body; an early vampire burial? Fictionally speaking, let's say it was a vampire, and scientists were able to get DNA from the brain tissue.

Could this person be cloned, and if it was, would the clone exhibit any vampiric tendencies? Or would he be just your average cloned Joe six-pack?

Scientists find 2,000-year-old brain in Britain

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER, Associated Press Writer
1 hr 25 mins ago
LONDON – British archaeologists have unearthed an ancient skull carrying a startling surprise — an unusually well-preserved brain. Scientists said Friday that the mass of gray matter was more than 2,000 years old — the oldest ever discovered in Britain. One expert unconnected with the find called it "a real freak of preservation."

The skull was severed from its owner sometime before the Roman invasion of Britain and found in a muddy pit during a dig at the University of York in northern England this fall, according to Richard Hall, a director of York Archaeological Trust.

Finds officer Rachel Cubbitt realized the skull might contain a brain when she felt something move inside the cranium as she was cleaning it, Hall said. She looked through the skull's base and spotted an unusual yellow substance inside. Scans at York Hospital confirmed the presence of brain tissue.
Hall said it was unclear just how much of the brain had survived, saying the tissue had apparently contracted over the years. Parts of the brain have been tentatively identified, but more research was needed, he said.

He said it was a mystery why the skull was buried separately from its body, suggesting human sacrifice and ritual burial as possible explanations.
The existence of a brain where no other soft tissues have survived is extremely rare, according to Sonia O'Connor, an archaeological researcher at the University of Bradford in northern England who helped authenticate the discovery.

"This brain is particularly exciting because it is very well preserved, even though it is the oldest recorded find of this type in the U.K., and one of the earliest worldwide," she said.

The old brain is unlikely to yield new neurological insights because human brains aren't thought to have changed much over the past 2,000 years, according to Chris Gosden, a professor of archaeology at Oxford University unconnected with the find.

He confirmed it was the oldest brain found in Britain. He noted that far older preserved brains, thought to be approximately 8,000 years old, were found in 1986 when dozens of intact human skulls were uncovered buried in a peat bog in Windover Farms in Florida.

"It's a real freak of preservation to have a brain and nothing else," Gosden said. "The fact that there's any brain there at all is quite amazing."
Hall said the brain found at York University was being kept in its skull in an environmentally controlled storage facility for further study.






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23:49:05 Dec 12 2008
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So, a severed skull found with a dehydrated brain... but, other than assess it for its DNA, there isn't much it could yield.

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Well, they could examine the tissue and work their medical mumbo-jumbo to examine any potential differences between it and modern brains.

Oh, and to properly clone it, they'd need to be able to replicate the entire genome. It's not quite as simple as extracting a bit of DNA. They'd need enough intact DNA to assemble the complete genome, then 'do what they do'.

Sorry, I don't know a whole lot about genetics. lol.



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By disecting the parts of the brain, they could possibly examine it's "state of health" at the time it was severed.
But, as far as any "mumbo jumbo"... wouldn't accomplish anything. So, no cloning.

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Well, cloning mammoths has been considered. Maybe cause there's more meat and deep bone tissue preserved with freezing, it's easier to consider. Somehow I recall that the "material" required comes from the marrow, inside the long bones. Depending on where the head was severed, there might be some tissue in the neck bones. A spinal cord would be cool. If a brain, why not a little spinal cord?



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Freezing causes massive tissue damage, so this comes as news to me. Do you have a link to a site where I could read a bit more on this idea that marrow can be sustained after freezing?



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Marrow is my conjecture on the mammoth cloning. I'll find something on the mammoths that may clarify.



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01:51:47 Dec 14 2008
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A two thousand year old skull unburied with a brain which havent rotted away to dust but just dried? Interesting. Curios. Maybe if some one is about to drown it in blood it might regenerate in to a whole being again, if it were a vampire indeed.



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01:54:16 Dec 14 2008
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That's a mighty big 'IF', alixaryon...



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02:02:37 Dec 14 2008
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Just imagine that, if such creatures existed, it would be very possible they possessed very advanced biology like that, after all we are discussing vampires, and there would be no other reason to cut its head off and bury it separately if it could not completely regenerated once it comes in touch with certain substance.



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02:07:41 Dec 14 2008
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That is true. Sorry, the statement, at the time you posted it, just seemed rather inapropos. lol.



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02:15:11 Dec 14 2008
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It sure is. This after all fictionally speaking. But it might be possible as well. We do not know nothing about history, what all kind of possibilities walked the Earth, or are still walking.



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02:18:50 Dec 14 2008
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Well we've already had a lengthy debate on the physical impossibilities of immortality, but from a fictional standpoint (since after reading the original post again, I've noticed it's part of the question. lol) it makes perfect sense.



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02:19:43 Dec 14 2008
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And we know an AWFUL lot about history, though our knowledge is far from complete.



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02:34:40 Dec 14 2008
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Yeah, we are missing the mysterious part.



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It's at a dig in northern England, University of York. Isn't there a Viking museum around there? If it dates back to before the Roman invasion it could be of Scandinavian origin. A Viking vampire?



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03:20:42 Dec 14 2008
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lol. Or just a Viking tradition. I can't pretend to know much about history, but beheading was rather common at that time.



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04:05:04 Dec 14 2008
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Those baskets where bound to let a few bounce out.



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From your info I can`t figure out if the preserving was or was not intentional.Egyptians use to embalm victims and sometime the brains were embalmed and put back in the skull.

Also, not every severed head could be linked to the vampire mythology.



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In the medical point of view, if DNA, is obtained from the brain, then, cloning will be possible. Now, will that person be a vampire? only time will tell.



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I'm also thinking that it is just the case of a guy who lost his head in battle of whatever, and was lucky enough to have someone find his head and bury it with him.



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23:22:49 Dec 14 2008
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But imagining it as the head of an ancient vampire is cool. We'd still have a long way to go with Dna and cloning though.



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It could have been a vampire, like a psychic vampire. And then the DNA would be just the same as any other human, so we would never know. And if the DNA was different, we wouldn't be able to discern that it's a vampire anyway, just by that.

I mean, really, who knows what the hell vampire DNA looks like?!



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What ever it was it sure is one big stinking dead now! HAHAHAHAHAHA



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